who can do a 190.5 at 50 degrees at atl?

fuggin ruggins thats who . not even the guys who made the game ,tested the game ,race the game as a matter of fact i would love to see mr.matson do it just once.or maybee nim cross .wait how bout mr.wilshe or mr. data donny lia? jdh? me? gt86? mike12? mox? maxwell?awhite?trafficop?any other 15? ya right if it could be done legally ,we would have done it. i see fuggin ruggins doit ,well with lots of help

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> fuggin ruggins thats who . > not even the guys who made the game ,tested the game ,race the game > as a matter of fact i would love to see mr.matson do it just once.or > maybee nim cross > .wait > how bout mr.wilshe > or mr. data > donny lia? > jdh? > me? > gt86? > mike12? > mox? maxwell?awhite?trafficop?any other 15? > ya right if it could be done legally ,we would have done it. > i see fuggin ruggins doit ,well with lots of help

Below 90 Qual Record Dave: Lets see now is some sort of a confessioanl. You just get back from CHURCH!!! You complain about Huggins running a 190.5 and you have both the records at ATL of running over 190. Records Below 90 Name Time Day SMOKKINU 190.023 4/6/97 Above 90 Qual Record Name Time Day SMOKKINU 190.962 3/14/97 Huggins runs 190.5 and he is a cheater, You run over 190 and you are a SAINT!!!!! Don Wilshe, IVGA

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Don if you would read the post Huggins did the 190.5 at 50 degrees you dumbass!!!!! GT86

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> > fuggin ruggins thats who . > > not even the guys who made the game ,tested the game ,race the game > > as a matter of fact i would love to see mr.matson do it just once.or > > maybee nim cross > > .wait > > how bout mr.wilshe > > or mr. data > > donny lia? > > jdh? > > me? > > gt86? > > mike12? > > mox? maxwell?awhite?trafficop?any other 15? > > ya right if it could be done legally ,we would have done it. > > i see fuggin ruggins doit ,well with lots of help > Below 90 Qual Record > Dave: > Lets see now is some sort of a confessioanl. You just > get back from CHURCH!!! > You complain about Huggins running a 190.5 and you have > both the records at ATL of running over 190. > Records Below 90 > Name Time Day > SMOKKINU 190.023 4/6/97 > Above 90 Qual Record > Name Time Day > SMOKKINU 190.962 3/14/97 > Huggins runs 190.5 and he is a cheater, You run over 190 > and you are a SAINT!!!!! > Don Wilshe, IVGA

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> > fuggin ruggins thats who . > > not even the guys who made the game ,tested the game ,race the game > > as a matter of fact i would love to see mr.matson do it just once.or > > maybee nim cross > > .wait > > how bout mr.wilshe > > or mr. data > > donny lia? > > jdh? > > me? > > gt86? > > mike12? > > mox? maxwell?awhite?trafficop?any other 15? > > ya right if it could be done legally ,we would have done it. > > i see fuggin ruggins doit ,well with lots of help > Below 90 Qual Record > Dave: > Lets see now is some sort of a confessioanl. You just > get back from CHURCH!!! > You complain about Huggins running a 190.5 and you have > both the records at ATL of running over 190. > Records Below 90 > Name Time Day > SMOKKINU 190.023 4/6/97 > Above 90 Qual Record > Name Time Day > SMOKKINU 190.962 3/14/97 > Huggins runs 190.5 and he is a cheater, You run over 190 > and you are a SAINT!!!!! > Don Wilshe, IVGA

Don: He was talking about 50 degrees. A far cry from 90 degrees. Every time I hear about the things that Huggins is "capable" of I think of that conference call you made to me with Huggins on the other end. Tell me he didn't implement what we talked about. Because everything I read sounds like he did. The ability to run outrageous laps CONSISTANTLY sounds a little "fishy" to me. mykey

>Every time I hear about the things that Huggins is "capable" of I >think of that conference call you made to me with Huggins on the >other end. read sounds like he did. This is getting better all the time. Tell us more - PLEASE

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> Don if you would read the post Huggins did the 190.5 at 50 degrees you > dumbass!!!!! > GT86 > > > fuggin ruggins thats who . > > > not even the guys who made the game ,tested the game ,race the game > > > as a matter of fact i would love to see mr.matson do it just once.or > > > maybee nim cross > > > .wait > > > how bout mr.wilshe > > > or mr. data > > > donny lia? > > > jdh? > > > me? > > > gt86? > > > mike12? > > > mox? maxwell?awhite?trafficop?any other 15? > > > ya right if it could be done legally ,we would have done it. > > > i see fuggin ruggins doit ,well with lots of help > > Below 90 Qual Record > > Dave: > > Lets see now is some sort of a confessioanl. You just > > get back from CHURCH!!! > > You complain about Huggins running a 190.5 and you have > > both the records at ATL of running over 190. > > Records Below 90 > > Name Time Day > > SMOKKINU 190.023 4/6/97 > > Above 90 Qual Record > > Name Time Day > > SMOKKINU 190.962 3/14/97 > > Huggins runs 190.5 and he is a cheater, You run over 190 > > and you are a SAINT!!!!! > > Don Wilshe, IVGA

Robert: Yes I know it was supposedly 50 degrees but I see no proof posted in any logs.. And my other comment was that dave did a 190 at below 90 degrees... I'm just saying that ROBERT isnt the only one running at over 190 below 90 degrees... GT86... How many 190's have you run at less than 90 degrees Don Wilshe, IVGA GT86 - You know the rules on HAWAII, no cheating and if you cheat that PAPYRUS HAWAII is gonna ban you. PAPYURUS has all the data and has never said anything to anyone or ever banned HUGGINS. Remebers the HAWAII POLICE are PAPYRUS not us. And you must have faith in the system. Don

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> > > fuggin ruggins thats who . > > > not even the guys who made the game ,tested the game ,race the game > > > as a matter of fact i would love to see mr.matson do it just once.or > > > maybee nim cross > > > .wait > > > how bout mr.wilshe > > > or mr. data > > > donny lia? > > > jdh? > > > me? > > > gt86? > > > mike12? > > > mox? maxwell?awhite?trafficop?any other 15? > > > ya right if it could be done legally ,we would have done it. > > > i see fuggin ruggins doit ,well with lots of help > > Below 90 Qual Record > > Dave: > > Lets see now is some sort of a confessioanl. You just > > get back from CHURCH!!! > > You complain about Huggins running a 190.5 and you have > > both the records at ATL of running over 190. > > Records Below 90 > > Name Time Day > > SMOKKINU 190.023 4/6/97 > > Above 90 Qual Record > > Name Time Day > > SMOKKINU 190.962 3/14/97 > > Huggins runs 190.5 and he is a cheater, You run over 190 > > and you are a SAINT!!!!! > > Don Wilshe, IVGA > Don: > He was talking about 50 degrees. A far cry from 90 degrees. > Every time I hear about the things that Huggins is "capable" of I think > of that conference call you made to me with Huggins on the other end. > Tell me he didn't implement what we talked about. Because everything I > read sounds like he did. > The ability to run outrageous laps CONSISTANTLY sounds a little "fishy" > to me. > mykey

Mykey: Why dont you explain to all of us what you said which would allow people to go faster. Was this a concept or a dream of how to go faster. We are all waiting to hear exactly in detail of what our have figured out. Don Wilshe, IVGA

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> > Don: > > He was talking about 50 degrees. A far cry from 90 degrees. > > Every time I hear about the things that Huggins is "capable" of I think > > of that conference call you made to me with Huggins on the other end. > > Tell me he didn't implement what we talked about. Because everything I > > read sounds like he did. > > The ability to run outrageous laps CONSISTANTLY sounds a little "fishy" > > to me. > > mykey > Mykey: > Why dont you explain to all of us what you said which would > allow people to go faster. Was this a concept or a dream > of how to go faster. We are all waiting to hear exactly in > detail of what our have figured out. > Don Wilshe, IVGA

Do you not remember or do you really want the "world" to know of this ruthless method of CHEATING. The discussion we had was not about how to cheat, but how to detect cheating. I said under the conditions of Head 2 Head or Hawaii racing it could be difficult to detect cheating if it was done proper. I mentioned that the if a program was written to appear to be Nascar(Multi etc.) to the server it would assume the data sent to it was correct. Each driver's computer determines the position and condition and performance of thier car. The Host's (Hawaii) computer coordinated the data for each driver. If your Nascar clone says your new position is at X then the host will accept that. The clone doesn't even need to show the race (i.e. no graphics) just send data. 15 times per second you send in your new position on the track. If you want to be going 200 mph you simply calculate where that would put you on the track and send in that location. The math envolved is very simular to how the AI works. You've seen AI cars drive thru walls. (Oops that was IRC2 - Long Beach) It's simply 1) Where am I at on the track. 2) How fast should I be going at this point. 3) If I were going that fast where would I be next. 4) Move to the new location. 5) Send in the packet with your new location. Repeat 1 thru 5 until the race is over. You can modify step 3 to include lateral motion for passing. Incoming packets tell you where other cars near you are located. Include A modified lap pattern for pitting. You can be impervious to Damage, Weather, Traffic, everything. mykey

Geeze Don I was trying to stay out of this but i couldnt resist..... Comon Don if they say it was a 50 degree race then why cant you accept it.. How in the world are you going to see a log when they just ran the race... And my other comment was that dave did a 190 at below Well how much lower is the question...80+ is alot dofferent than 50 degrees Don if you talk to Papyrus as much as you lead us to belive you would know that Papyrus is not banning anyone for cheating on Hawaii and wont.. remember "hawaii is a test bed" i belive thats how you put it to me when we had are discussion before on old Huggy They will let it happen and just tell you to not join any races he is in. -- Paul Carillon http://members.aol.com/sschevy454 http://www.oilout.com/nros/hts/ http://www2.netwide.net/n2ros/midwest/default.asp

[deletia] A interesting concept. But you're saying someone actually *did* this? What the... It blows my mind that some weenie would want to win so bad that he'd actually go to all this trouble. Pretty silly, if you ask me. Nice buzzkill for everyone else involved, too. Oh well, there's one in every village. --kodiak ---- HINT for sentients wishing to email: remove the Xs