Krosnoff: Just the facts

Krosnoff was in Johansson's blind spot (to johansso's right rear). Johannson was moving to the inside to make a move on Emerson Fittipaldi. Krosnoff's left fron t tire touched Johannson's right rear. This sent Krosnoff airborne. His car did a sideways 360 and his head hit flush on a big tree behind the catch fencing. He had to have been killed instantly. The corner worker was killed by an airborne wheel. This accident could have also killed Johansson, if not for someone looking over him. He rode completely under the chassis and debris and the engine block was inches away from his head -- I can see why he retired. For all the people who say NASCAR is better, because they don't drive as fast. How many of you know people that died in auto accidents. Were they going anywhere near the speeds that any of these racing cars go. Speed does not kill. I have had two people very close to me die in auto accidents (my father and a friend) and neither time was it because of speed, both were caused by impact. For a person to say that Krosnoff's speed was the major contributing factor to this accident is to show one's ignorance. The top speed at Toronto is 180 mph. They were already in the braking zone, so I would say that they were probably in the 120 to 150 mph range. NASCAR drivers drive this fast are you saying that this is too fast. NASCAR drivers also don't street race. Remember you good ole boys find that boring. I myself find myself hitting the snooze button whenever there is a NASCAR race on. Remember that any type of racing is dangerous. Restrictor plate races have seen their own carnage. Racing will always take lives and so will driving on public roads. Don't blame it on the sport; blame it on life. .

Just from a NASCAR fans point of view I have to state that in both situation you comment on, the deaths at the track, and regular auto accidents that kill normal everyday people have alot of differing factors....everyday people don't have a roll cage, niether did the racer. NASCAR stock cars are built as cages to protect the driver...I'm sorry to argue this and please don't think I am heartless...any death in racing is bad...but IF that wreck had occurred in a stock car..do you really believe he would have become airborne? let alone killed? I'm sorry...I don't think so. I Love racing and I can respect anyones own choice of how to do it...but I still say that it accidents like this one that make me VERY happy to have fallen in love with stock cars. they may be slower, and yes it may take less skill to drive them without touching anyone...but when it comes to safety....you can't even come close with another type of car. Racing lost some very special people in that wreck. we'll all feel that loss for awhile I am sure. TrenT -- Driver of the #15 Cincinnati Bengals Pontiac Track CHampionship Racing Series Admin N2STRS NSRA-S Division DamN The Man!!! SAVE THE WINSTON Sponsorship!!! CatchMeIfU.........................Can

> >Them Indycars aren't safe in comparison to any other > > motersport. Motercycles are safer for cryin' out loud! Oh well. It's > > just my opinion, I could be wrong. > Your wrong. He's right, you're right. Neither are safe. -- PolePosition#3- IVGA #4882 The Checkered Flag(NASCAR2): http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4578/n2sim.html My Unofficial Dale Earnhardt Fan Page: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4578/nascar.html The Dale Earnhardt Fan Ring: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4578/dalering.html "If you don't believe, you don't belong." -- Alan Kulwicki's Credo

Your wrong.

Face it. Indycars are rolling coffins. You can't disapate that much energy going 180 mph. Speed was a factor. If the***pit was stronger, Krosnoff might have lived. BTW, those single file street races are boring. The oval races they have are usually a runaway. How many times have you seen an Indycar race where more than 5 guys have a chance at winning? NASCAR, it's about 10-15. Yeah, Krosnoff konked his head. So did Brayton. Them Indycars aren't safe in comparison to any other motersport. Motercycles are safer for cryin' out loud! Oh well. It's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

You are. First off, you must not have watched the Cleveland Grand Prix...second, there is usually only about a 20 car field in an indy car race(5/20=10/40). And finally...yeah, you are right, they both hit their heads...as did John Nemechek. You see more injuries, but less deaths in motorcycles, probably because they can't carry the great amount of corner speed that an open-wheeled car can. Berg

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> Face it. Indycars are rolling coffins. You can't disapate that much > energy going 180 mph. Speed was a factor. If the***pit was stronger, > Krosnoff might have lived. BTW, those single file street races are > boring. The oval races they have are usually a runaway. How many times > have you seen an Indycar race where more than 5 guys have a chance at > winning? NASCAR, it's about 10-15. Yeah, Krosnoff konked his head. So > did Brayton. Them Indycars aren't safe in comparison to any other > motersport. Motercycles are safer for cryin' out loud! Oh well. It's > just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Anyone race car can be un-safe. Some more than others. But we can be assured that everday FIA, CART, IRL, NASCAR and so on are finding more ways to make the sport safer. Nick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Nick Baltuch "Does my pointless gibber bore you?"-Me

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>> Face it. Indycars are rolling coffins. You can't disapate that much >> energy going 180 mph. Speed was a factor. If the***pit was stronger, >> Krosnoff might have lived. BTW, those single file street races are >> boring. The oval races they have are usually a runaway. How many times >> have you seen an Indycar race where more than 5 guys have a chance at >> winning? NASCAR, it's about 10-15. Yeah, Krosnoff konked his head. So >> did Brayton. Them Indycars aren't safe in comparison to any other >> motersport. Motercycles are safer for cryin' out loud! Oh well. It's >> just my opinion, I could be wrong. >Anyone race car can be un-safe. Some more than others. But we can be >assured that everday FIA, CART, IRL, NASCAR and so on are finding more >ways to make the sport safer.

Well, F-1 does have some accidents which indicate the safety is far better than 1994. Jos Verstappen suffered a very high-speed crash on Spa-Franchorchamps last year. Afterwards, the impact turned out to be equal to Ayrton Senna's crash at Imola. But, Jos survived due to the new higher ***pit sides. Martin Brundle had his moment at the start of the GP at Australia in 1996. He got airborned, and his car crashed resulting in a big mess and my initial reaction was :"OH NO! He can never have survived that one." But he did, he got out, ran to the pits, and took his place back at the restart. The crash was quite similar to Krosnoff's fatal acident. BUT at this moment, the new rule of grooved tires in F-1 seems to be a bad thing. Anyone wishing to comment on this, should E-mail me or continue on rec.autos.sport.f1

You guys didn't see that Krosnoff's***pit was ripped open huh? His body was still strapped in. What about Stan Fox at Indy? His***pit was ripped open too. If those cars have bad front impacts, those guys will get hurt, maybe worse. I just feel open wheel, open***pit cars are especially dangerous. You guys remember Rich Vogler? Part of his head was still in his helmet, as it was rolling down the front straight at Salem, IN. Ayrton Senna didn't hit his head, a peice of the suspension peirced his helmet. BTW, motorcycles carry the same, if not more speed in the corners than some other race cars. Every seen the 500 cc GP motorcycles? Well, I'm done ranting and raving. Don't get the idea I'm mad or anything, I'm just trying to get my point across.

Boy this thread is becoming a real joke! Hmmm, I wonder why they call it racing?! Perhaps a nice safe speed limit of 20kph would help...and maybe super expanding foam in the***pits so drivers won't be hurt. Do you think the drivers know the risks?...naaah! The fans know what is best for the drivers. Mike

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> Boy this thread is becoming a real joke! Hmmm, I wonder why they call > it racing?! Perhaps a nice safe speed limit of 20kph would help...and > maybe super expanding foam in the***pits so drivers won't be hurt. > Do you think the drivers know the risks?...naaah! The fans know what > is best for the drivers. > Mike

This post is why we cant keep a decent covnersation going...we're not saying that we know best, we're giving our opinions...can you honestly look at an indy car or formula 1 car sitting next to say a NASCAR stock car and say that they are as safe or safer? no, you cant...granted stock cars dont carry the cornering speeds of the others..but they go just as fast on the straights...and having been involved in a few wrecks of my own on the track I am HEARTIly glad that I was in a stock car and not an open wheel machine....I respect the open wheel drivers abilities...but I have to wonder about their instinct for self preservation.... TrenT -- Driver of the #15 Cincinnati Bengals Pontiac Track CHampionship Racing Series Admin N2STRS NSRA-S Division [link lost in import] DamN The Man!!! SAVE THE WINSTON Sponsorship!!! CatchMeIfU.........................Can

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>> does not kill. I have had two people very close to me die in auto >> accidents (my father and a friend) and neither time was it because of >> speed, both were caused by impact. For a person to say that Krosnoff's >> speed was the major contributing factor to this accident is to show >> one's >> ignorance.

Above edited for brevity.. You need a class in Physics. Speed is the largest factor in figuring impact force!Without speed there is no impact! Would your loved ones been killed had they and the other party been sitting still??? Only if a third party with speed were to hit them... .... I suggest it was you showing your ignorance.

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> Speed > >> does not kill. I have had two people very close to me die in auto > >> accidents (my father and a friend) and neither time was it because of > >> speed, both were caused by impact. For a person to say that Krosnoff's > >> speed was the major contributing factor to this accident is to show > >> one's > >> ignorance. > Above edited for brevity.. > You need a class in Physics. Speed is the largest factor in figuring impact > force!Without speed there is no impact! Would your loved ones been killed > had they and the other party been sitting still??? Only if a third party with > speed were to hit them... .... I suggest it was you showing your ignorance.

Check your physics book again. Put your back to a wall. If I fire a grain of sand at you at 60 mph it's not going to do much damage. But a huge bolder a 1 mph can kill you. "damage" = mass x speed (and alot of other things) mykey

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> > Speed > > >> does not kill. I have had two people very close to me die in auto > > >> accidents (my father and a friend) and neither time was it because of > > >> speed, both were caused by impact. For a person to say that Krosnoff's > > >> speed was the major contributing factor to this accident is to show > > >> one's > > >> ignorance. > > Above edited for brevity.. > > You need a class in Physics. Speed is the largest factor in figuring impact > > force!Without speed there is no impact! Would your loved ones been killed > > had they and the other party been sitting still??? Only if a third party with > > speed were to hit them... .... I suggest it was you showing your ignorance. > Check your physics book again. > Put your back to a wall. > If I fire a grain of sand at you at 60 mph it's not going to do much > damage. > But a huge bolder a 1 mph can kill you. > "damage" = mass x speed (and alot of other things) > mykey

If you really want to get technical, Force = Mass x Acceleration -- Shawn Kosloff Team Marriott Legends Racing/MALCAR http://www.lamere.net/hss/koz.htm

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> > Speed > > >> does not kill. I have had two people very close to me die in auto > > >> accidents (my father and a friend) and neither time was it because of > > >> speed, both were caused by impact. For a person to say that Krosnoff's > > >> speed was the major contributing factor to this accident is to show > > >> one's > > >> ignorance. > > Above edited for brevity.. > > You need a class in Physics. Speed is the largest factor in figuring impact > > force!Without speed there is no impact! Would your loved ones been killed > > had they and the other party been sitting still??? Only if a third party with > > speed were to hit them... .... I suggest it was you showing your ignorance. > So according to you if you are going 200 and brush the wall you should > die because you were going fast and you hit the wall. > Speed doesn't matter, well it does but way less than you believe. It > depends on how you hit the object. Whoever said that speed kills was > high. > -- > PolePosition#3- IVGA #4882 > The Checkered Flag(NASCAR2): > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4578/n2sim.html > My Unofficial Dale Earnhardt Fan Page: > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4578/nascar.html > The Dale Earnhardt Fan Ring: > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4578/dalering.html > "If you don't believe, you don't belong." -- Alan Kulwicki's Credo

It's more that the speed helped Krosnoof to be killed. speed don't kills. It helps in the processus of having a chance being killed. The same impact at 60mhp wouldn't have been the same. Physics had a big role in it. The newtons that are implicated in the crash were so hign IMHO. Hitting a pole that had a big potential initial force was the thing that killed him. With great respect, Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) SPEED- Co-director SPEED- http://www.sim-speed.com/ AWPSS- Director of the SimRacing section AWPSS- http://www.awpss.com/ SRHoF- Director SRHoF- Coming online in 1week ! - *Excuse me for my poor English(I'm French speaking) * -

: > : > > : > > > : > > > : > > Speed : > > >> : > > >> does not kill. I have had two people very close to me die in auto : > > >> accidents (my father and a friend) and neither time was it because of : > > >> speed, both were caused by impact. For a person to say that Krosnoff's : > > >> : > > >> speed was the major contributing factor to this accident is to show : > > >> one's : > > >> ignorance. : > > >> : > > Above edited for brevity.. : > > : > > You need a class in Physics. Speed is the largest factor in figuring impact : > > force!Without speed there is no impact! Would your loved ones been killed : > > had they and the other party been sitting still??? Only if a third party with : > > speed were to hit them... .... I suggest it was you showing your ignorance. : > : > Check your physics book again. : > : > Put your back to a wall. : > : > If I fire a grain of sand at you at 60 mph it's not going to do much : > damage. : > But a huge bolder a 1 mph can kill you. : > : > "damage" = mass x speed (and alot of other things) : > : > mykey : : If you really want to get technical, : : Force = Mass x Acceleration : : -- : Shawn Kosloff : Team Marriott Legends Racing/MALCAR : http://www.lamere.net/hss/koz.htm : Yes and the human body can only support so many g's (ie force) and then it begins to detiriate...bruises, broken bones, death... wow this has become a very educational thread. -- Chad Alcares

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>> Speed >> >> does not kill. I have had two people very close to me die in auto >> >> accidents (my father and a friend) and neither time was it because of >> >> speed, both were caused by impact. For a person to say that Krosnoff's >> >> speed was the major contributing factor to this accident is to show >> >> one's >> >> ignorance. >> Above edited for brevity.. >> You need a class in Physics. Speed is the largest factor in figuring

impact >> force!Without speed there is no impact! Would your loved ones been killed >> had they and the other party been sitting still??? Only if a third party with >> speed were to hit them... .... I suggest it was you showing your ignorance.

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>Check your physics book again. >Put your back to a wall. >If I fire a grain of sand at you at 60 mph it's not going to do much >damage. >But a huge bolder a 1 mph can kill you. >"damage" = mass x speed (and alot of other things) >mykey

Now we are getting ridiculous. Obviously speed in and of itself does not kill!! otherwise you would die everytime your car struck a mosquito. Quit trying to make others look stupid by taking an extreem view. I SAID SPEED WAS A BIG FACTOR IN IMPACT FORCE, and though you disagreed with me I notice your equation lists speed and mass as the factors!! \Sounds like I was right on the money to me!!! I would add angle of impact into the equation, as well as mass and structure for all objects involved in the collision

>> For all the people who say NASCAR is better, because they don't drive >> as >> fast. How many of you know people that died in auto accidents. Were >> they going anywhere near the speeds that any of these racing cars go. Speed >> does not kill. I have had two people very close to me die in auto >> accidents (my father and a friend) and neither time was it because of >> speed, both were caused by impact. For a person to say that Krosnoff's >> speed was the major contributing factor to this accident is to show >> one's ignorance. I think the main difference between stock cars and Indy cars is the wheels, if two stock cars would have touched like that it would have ended up as a spin into the wall, but with Indycars if wheels touch it launches the car. True, but NASCAR drivers don't run that fast in turns at road courses. Probably between 60-90 mph in a turn on a road course. Jon Mullins

> >If you really want to get technical, > >Force = Mass x Acceleration > You are referring to g force. impact force is what we are talking about. F = m * a is a physical law. I don't give a rat's ass what kind of force you're talking about, that law is still true in any inertial frame of reference. (For the purposes of this discussion, racing cars on the earth is an inertial frame... :-) ) Humans are remarkable robust during impacts. From memory, I'm fairly certain that properly distributed forces allow humans to survive instantaneous loads of ~50-60 "g's" and short, but sustained loads of over 20 g's. In every case though, the force exerted on the body is the mass of the body times the acceleration the body is undergoing. ---Jim

>[Good points about the relative safety of closed-wheel cars snipped] > True, but NASCAR drivers don't run that fast in turns at road courses. > Probably between 60-90 mph in a turn on a road course. I'd imagine that the Winston Cup boys hit over 120 going into turn 1a at Sears Point, and are definitely hauling the mail down to the Inner Loop (though the turn itself is fairly slow...) ---Jim

> F = m * a is a physical law. In every case though, the force exerted >on the body is the > mass of the body times the acceleration the body is undergoing. > ---Jim All I know is, if you hit something really hard, it hurts. :) -- God Bless, Steve (remove the <remove this> from my address when replying via e-mail)

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> >> For all the people who say NASCAR is better, because they don't > drive > >> as > >> fast. How many of you know people that died in auto accidents. Were > >> they going anywhere near the speeds that any of these racing cars > go. > Speed > >> does not kill. I have had two people very close to me die in auto > >> accidents (my father and a friend) and neither time was it because > of > >> speed, both were caused by impact. For a person to say that > Krosnoff's > >> speed was the major contributing factor to this accident is to show > >> one's ignorance.

for those of you who think speed kills, come on up to Connecticut, and drive around on I84 at the speed limit (55) and since your doing the speed limit drive in the left hand lane.You will get rear ended by a car coming up on you, at the speed traffic is flowing, 75-80, we have them all the time, that's not the speed that has anything to do with the crash, or the injurys that occour, the blame falls partialy on the moron that was doing 55, and on John Rowland and the State Senate, who insist on 55, with highways that were safe at speeds of 75, for cars in the 1950's. The open wheel vs. Nascar thing really gets me. I was at a race near me, and as two cars were going into turn 3 one of them touched the others wheel, and launched them, the car ended up with the rear wheels on the track, and the right front on top of the wall, The car that got launched was driven by Steve Park, he's gotten a new ride since then, heard it was for some guy named earnhardt. Another incident at the beginning of this year, It was in Flemington NJ, and I wasn't there to see it, but the #13 car of my favorite driver, Ted Christopher, ended up on top of another car, after touching wheels. NOTE: NASCAR began with one series, the modifieds, this series still exists and is the both the oldest and best of NASCAR, the Featherlite Modified tour is on TV August 24, on ESPN2, if you want to see Open Wheel racing, NASCAR style (However it is at Watkins Glenn, hardly the norm for the Mod Squad) "By The Grace of God, and 700 Horsepower" FMT moto... Dan Arnold Http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/downs/4402/index.html --------------CC1285A2CB7C0DF49D0CF95B Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML> <BR><FONT SIZE=-1>>> For all the people who say NASCAR is better, because they don't drive</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=-1>>> as</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=-1>>> fast. How many of you know people that died in auto accidents. Were</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=-1>>> they going anywhere near the speeds that any of these racing cars go.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=-1>Speed</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=-1>>> does not kill. I have had two people very close to me die in auto</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=-1>>> accidents (my father and a friend) and neither time was it because of</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=-1>>> speed, both were caused by impact. For a person to say that Krosnoff's</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=-1>>> speed was the major contributing factor to this accident is to show</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=-1>>> one's ignorance.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE> for those&nbsp; of you who think speed kills, come on up to Connecticut, and drive around on I84 at the speed limit (55) and since your doing the speed limit drive in the left hand lane.You will get rear ended by a car coming up on you, at the speed traffic is flowing, 75-80, we have them all the time, that's not the speed that has anything to do with the crash, or the injurys that occour, the blame falls partialy on the moron that was doing 55, and on John Rowland and the State Senate, who insist on 55, with highways that were safe at speeds of 75, for cars in the 1950's. <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE><FONT SIZE=-1></FONT>&nbsp;<FONT SIZE=-1></FONT> <P><FONT SIZE=-1>I think the main difference between stock cars and Indy cars is the wheels,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=-1>if two stock cars would have touched like that&nbsp; it would have ended up as</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=-1>a spin into the wall, but with Indycars if wheels touch it launches the car.</FONT><FONT SIZE=-1></FONT> <P><FONT SIZE=-1>>> The top speed at Toronto is 180 mph.&nbsp; They were already in the braking</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=-1>>> zone, so I would say that they were probably in the 120 to 150 mph</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=-1>>> range.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=-1>>> NASCAR drivers drive this fast are you saying that this is too fast.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=-1>>> NASCAR drivers also don't street race. Remember you good ole boys find</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=-1>>> that boring. 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> If you really want to get technical, > Force = Mass x Acceleration > -- > Shawn Kosloff > Team Marriott Legends Racing/MALCAR > http://www.lamere.net/hss/koz.htm

(and to get even more technically anal) In case of constant velocity (zero acceleration) we can represent an object in motion as a form of energy, perhaps as (1/2mass)*velocity squared? Or the driver's impulse at impact defined as Force/dt. Or the integral of Fdt. We can even use a momentum equation where Integral of Fdt = m(v2-v1) So now we've introduced a new variable. Time. What was the impulse on impact? :) -bill

Gee...seems to me that if the guy who was doing 75 rear-ends a car doing the posted speed-limit, then he shouldn't have been doing what amounts to an unsafe speed - 75. Marc

Allow me to be the next person to proclaim my ignorance by saying speed kills. The last time I checked, it seemed like without any "speed" it was impossible to have an "impact". Maybe this is no longer true since the speed limits were lowered- perhaps there were ammendments in Congress to the Laws of Physics and I missed it I dunno. Seems to me that if you hit something going 100mph that you hit it harder than if you were going 50 mph- but perhaps this is not true. I guess it must also not be true that if you hit something at 200 there is more impact than at 50. But lets talk about hitting something "wrong"... because as we all know of course, this is the reason people die in accidents- not because they were going 50 or 100 or 200mph right? Everyone knows that if you hit something wrong you are going to die- period. It doesnt matter how fast you are going- if you hit something wrong at 10 mph, you are going to die- zero chance for survival. If I walk out the door at 3 mph and "hit wrong" well, I'm as good as dead- therefore I never get out of my car now- it's much safer that way. As long as you hit "the right way" you can go as fast as you want and not even get scratched- 400,800,lets face it- unlimited mph with no chance of injury whatsoever. It's all those bonehead drivers out there that cause those "wrong impacts" anyway and they're all related genetically to the lawmakers and racing officials who want to reduce the speeds on our highways and racing tracks.... Speed does not kill I guess... because everyone knows, of course, had Mr. Krosnoff been going 10 mph instead of the estimated 120 he would still be dead. Allow me to prove this in the following equation: Mass x Speed x Hitting Something Wrong = Dead If we plug in the numbers here we get something like this.... 1500 x 120 x wrong = Dead However, if we plug in the "right way to crash we get this.... 1500 x 300 x right = Kept right on goin'...never even scuffed a tire. Obviously, the facts speak for themselves here. Now I like auto racing ( yes both Nascar and Formula 1 ) as much as the next gearhead. I wouldn't worry too much about the officials reducing the speeds. If they did that nobody would watch their events and they then would not make any money, now would they? Besides, I hear there is a "hit right" device that is in development that will allow unlimited speeds, the only limit being how fast our eyes will be able to follow the cars... We all know, of course, that Senna, Fox, Brayton and others that have been killed or severely injured in racing accidents died because they "hit wrong"... It would not have mattered one bit if Mr. Senna had hit the wall going only 50 mph- we all know this- he still would have died. Had Olivier Panis in this years Canadian Grand Prix hit at 10 mph, we all know that his legs still would have broken, so he might as well have been going 200 and been having more fun for himself and the fans. I really don't see what those officials are thinking when they try to reduce those speeds on the cars when so much more development and resources could be done on the Hit Right device- then EVERYONE would want to watch our heroes race at 1000 mph and we'll all have more fun. well that's all I have to say for the moment... keep on speeding all- it's completely safe...