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The iRacing.com website has (at last!) been updated. http://www.iracing.com Cheers Tony

"Tony R" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:y2B3k.145706$[email hidden]... > The iRacing.com website has (at last!) been updated. > > http://www.iracing.com > > Cheers > Tony Dang, looks pretty enticing. That might could even bring me out of retirement... Nooo, the wife would kill me!! :) -- Don

Ah the best netcode out there. I see the minimum requirements on controls are a wheel and pedals. No more joystick drivers :-) "Tony R" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:y2B3k.145706$[email hidden]... > The iRacing.com website has (at last!) been updated. > > http://www.iracing.com > > Cheers > Tony

Mr Burnette! If I would have known I would have sent you an invite you old coot! ;) Scott -- Scott B. Husted� http://www.RacingHistorian.com

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> Mr Burnette! > > If I would have known I would have sent you an invite you old coot! ;) > > Scott > > > > > --

Lol, who you callin old ?? Bah!! Hope things are going well your way! Naw seriously, that is the last thing I would need! :) -- Don

"Lancelot" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]: > Ah the best netcode out there. I see the minimum requirements on > controls are a wheel and pedals. No more joystick drivers :-) How about drivers that use auto shifting instead of manual. Oh, and they don't allow roof riders too, right?

You know, after 3 years I can't answer the question about auto. I'll have to look :) Roof Riding is no more. You race for real in iRacing :) -Larry "The Coward Robert Ford" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Rqv4k.7483$Jx.4368@pd7urf1no...

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> "Lancelot" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:[email hidden]: > >> Ah the best netcode out there. I see the minimum requirements on >> controls are a wheel and pedals. No more joystick drivers :-) > > How about drivers that use auto shifting instead of manual. Oh, and they > don't allow roof riders too, right?

On Jun 13, 10:24 am, The Coward Robert Ford <[email hidden]> wrote: > How about drivers that use auto shifting instead of manual. I haven't seen any options for automatic shifting. I think it's manual only. -- Pat Dotson

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> On Jun 13, 10:24 am, The Coward Robert Ford <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > How about drivers that use auto shifting instead of manual. > > I haven't seen any options for automatic shifting. I think it's > manual only. > > -- > Pat Dotson

Manual Only.

I actually asked Dustin McGrew about you a couple weeks ago. After BETA testing on iRacing and seeing alot of the old TEN racers around - I was going through a bunch of my old sim racing items and came across a photo you posted on the old forum and was wondering what you were up to. If I recall correctly - you gravitated to flight sims didn't you? Scott Don wrote:

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> > > "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> Mr Burnette! >> >> If I would have known I would have sent you an invite you old coot! ;) >> >> Scott >> >> >> >> >> -- > > > Lol, who you callin old ?? Bah!! Hope things are going well your way! > > Naw seriously, that is the last thing I would need! > > :) > > > >

-- Scott B. Husted http://www.RacingHistorian.com

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>[email hidden]: >>The Coward Robert Ford: >> > How about drivers that use auto shifting instead of manual. >> >> I haven't seen any options for automatic shifting. I think it's >> manual only. -- Pat Dotson > > Manual Only.

Hi, Tim. There is one really "important" thing that I would like to sort out. I noticed that some ratings depend on the number of corners you pass by in a race (so that ratings from oval and road courses can be compared). I am wondering do they count an oval course as two or as four corners? Can you help me with this, this information would really calm my soul, : ). -- Mario Petrinovich

Yep, it has been quite some time, since I have had a racing sim on my system, or one of my wheel's hooked up to it. I guess I just kind of eventually got burned out. I picked up GTR2 one day while I was at Best Buy a few months ago, and haven't even bothered to install it, just can't seem to get motivated. I modded my Cougar with a gimball mod and hall sensors, and got into flight sims ( offline ), and have been having a lot of fun with them, mainly FSX right now, just lazily flying around the countryside enjoying the scenery. I will admit, I looked around the iRacing site and was intrigued, so will be following it's progress, but am not quite ready to plunge into something like that yet... Good to hear from ya, glad to see your still around and racing! -- Don "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I actually asked Dustin McGrew about you a couple weeks ago. After BETA > testing on iRacing and seeing alot of the old TEN racers around - I was > going through a bunch of my old sim racing items and came across a photo > you posted on the old forum and was wondering what you were up to. If I > recall correctly - you gravitated to flight sims didn't you? > > Scott > > > > > Don wrote: >> >> >> "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >>> Mr Burnette! >>> >>> If I would have known I would have sent you an invite you old coot! ;) >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >> >> >> Lol, who you callin old ?? Bah!! Hope things are going well your way! >> >> Naw seriously, that is the last thing I would need! >> >> :) >> >> >> >> > > > -- > > Scott B. Husted > http://www.RacingHistorian.com

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> TimWheatley: > > >[email hidden]: > >>The Coward Robert Ford: > >> > How about drivers that use auto shifting instead of manual. > > >> I haven't seen any options for automatic shifting. I think it's > >> manual only. -- Pat Dotson > > > Manual Only. > > Hi,Tim. > There is one really "important" thing that I would like to sort out. > I noticed that some ratings depend on the number of corners you pass > by in a race (so that ratings from oval and road courses can be compared). I > am wondering do they count an oval course as two or as four corners? Can you > help me with this, this information would really calm my soul, : ). > -- Mario Petrinovich

I'm not sure. There is a different mathematical formula used for different types of tracks... So any answer would probably work out being wrong. Dave and John did all the mathematical stuff. ;)

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> Yep, it has been quite some time, since I have had a racing sim on my > system, or one of my wheel's hooked up to it. > I guess I just kind of eventually got burned out. I picked up GTR2 one day > while I was at Best Buy a few months ago, and haven't even bothered to > install it, just can't seem to get motivated. > > > I modded my Cougar with a gimball mod and hall sensors, and got into > flight sims ( offline ), and have been having a lot of fun with them, > mainly FSX right now, just lazily flying around the countryside enjoying > the scenery. > > I will admit, I looked around the iRacing site and was intrigued, so will > be following it's progress, but am not quite ready to plunge into > something like that yet... > > Good to hear from ya, glad to see your still around and racing! > > > > -- > Don >

I see you (Don) on a lot of the groups.....:-). I have been using FS for many years and also involved in racing sims since the Hawaii days. THAT was really expensive compared to iRacing's prices. It was not feasible for very long in my household.......:-). I am retired now, so I have some time to give iRacing a go and will probably go for a year to see how it all progresses. Many of the FS folks are also involved in the tech groups because of the horsepower that FS has always taken to run it well. Ed

Tim Wheatley <[email hidden]> wrote in news:aad1a730-3a60-402e- [email hidden]: > Manual Only. You mean after all these years of sim racing I would be forced to learn to shift properly? That puts me out of the running. I mostly use auto shifting so I can concentrate better on not hitting other cars on the track. What's the big deal about auto shifting? People say manual shifting gives you an advantage, although I think that is arguable because F1 cars have semi- auto shifting. Roof riding is another matter though and should be banned in all online racing games.

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>> Manual Only. > > You mean after all these years of sim racing I would be forced to learn to > shift properly? That puts me out of the running. I mostly use auto shifting > so I can concentrate better on not hitting other cars on the track. What's > the big deal about auto shifting? People say manual shifting gives you an > advantage, although I think that is arguable because F1 cars have semi- > auto shifting. Roof riding is another matter though and should be banned in > all online racing games.

As not everyone has a clutch pedal you also can use the same semi auto paddle setup F1 drivers do, even in a car with a sequential shifter or h shifter. I don't really think you can learn to race drive with a full auto. Cheers Tony

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> > "Don" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> Yep, it has been quite some time, since I have had a racing sim on my >> system, or one of my wheel's hooked up to it. >> I guess I just kind of eventually got burned out. I picked up GTR2 one >> day while I was at Best Buy a few months ago, and haven't even bothered >> to install it, just can't seem to get motivated. >> >> >> I modded my Cougar with a gimball mod and hall sensors, and got into >> flight sims ( offline ), and have been having a lot of fun with them, >> mainly FSX right now, just lazily flying around the countryside enjoying >> the scenery. >> >> I will admit, I looked around the iRacing site and was intrigued, so will >> be following it's progress, but am not quite ready to plunge into >> something like that yet... >> >> Good to hear from ya, glad to see your still around and racing! >> >> >> >> -- >> Don >> > > I see you (Don) on a lot of the groups.....:-). I have been using FS for > many years and also involved in racing sims since the Hawaii days. THAT > was really expensive compared to iRacing's prices. It was not feasible for > very long in my household.......:-). I am retired now, so I have some time > to give iRacing a go and will probably go for a year to see how it all > progresses. Many of the FS folks are also involved in the tech groups > because of the horsepower that FS has always taken to run it well. > > Ed >

Oh yea, I have many fond memories of Hawaii :) After that , Ten was sweet! -- Don

> I see the minimum requirements on controls are a wheel and pedals. No more joystick drivers How would the game know if a player has a wheel and pedals intead of a joystick and throttle / brake?

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>> I see the minimum requirements on controls are a wheel and pedals. No >> more joystick drivers > > How would the game know if a player has a wheel and > pedals intead of a joystick and throttle / brake? > > > > >

Let's face it - it's easy to tell the difference between those who play with their joystick and those who don't!

The configuration/calibration scheme is nothing like you've ever seen before. I suspect it can tell. Even so, you will never be able to drive smooth enough with a mouse or joystick. You will be figured out :) -Larry "jeffareid" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:j4o5k.1588$[email hidden]...

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>> I see the minimum requirements on controls are a wheel and pedals. No >> more joystick drivers > > How would the game know if a player has a wheel and > pedals intead of a joystick and throttle / brake? > > > > >

Not that I could do it, but there were guys back in the GPL early days that kicked ass using a joystick.. wish I could remember their names. GR

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>On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:06:08 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: >The configuration/calibration scheme is nothing like you've ever seen >before. I suspect it can tell. > >Even so, you will never be able to drive smooth enough with a mouse or >joystick. You will be figured out :) > >-Larry > >"jeffareid" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:j4o5k.1588$[email hidden]... >>> I see the minimum requirements on controls are a wheel and pedals. No >>> more joystick drivers >> >> How would the game know if a player has a wheel and >> pedals intead of a joystick and throttle / brake? >> >> >> >> >>

A number of top NR2003 use to use joysticks instead of the wheel. Considering that a joystick and/or wheel are just a couple of potentiometers and buttons at the end of the day, the system wont know what the user has unless they start tracking the device ID of the manufacturer. "GaryR" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Not that I could do it, but there were guys back in the GPL early days > that kicked ass using a joystick.. wish I could remember their names. > > GR > >>On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:06:08 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: >>The configuration/calibration scheme is nothing like you've ever seen >>before. I suspect it can tell. >> >>Even so, you will never be able to drive smooth enough with a mouse or >>joystick. You will be figured out :) >> >>-Larry >> >>"jeffareid" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>news:j4o5k.1588$[email hidden]... >>>> I see the minimum requirements on controls are a wheel and pedals. No >>>> more joystick drivers >>> >>> How would the game know if a player has a wheel and >>> pedals intead of a joystick and throttle / brake? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >

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> "jeffareid" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:j4o5k.1588$[email hidden]... > > >> I see the minimum requirements on controls are a wheel and pedals. No > >> more joystick drivers > > > How would the game know if a player has a wheel and > > pedals intead of a joystick and throttle / brake? > > Let's face it - it's easy to tell the difference between those who play > with their joystick and those who don't!

I'm not so sure. :) Wolfgang Woeger used to use a joystick when setting records with GPL. I think he got slower with a wheel.

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> On Jun 16, 3:14 am, "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> "jeffareid" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> >> news:j4o5k.1588$[email hidden]... >> >>>> I see the minimum requirements on controls are a wheel and pedals. No >>>> more joystick drivers >>> How would the game know if a player has a wheel and >>> pedals intead of a joystick and throttle / brake? >> Let's face it - it's easy to tell the difference between those who play >> with their joystick and those who don't! > > I'm not so sure. :) Wolfgang Woeger used to use a joystick when > setting records with GPL. I think he got slower with a wheel.

I can recall runing a race in VROC/GPL. Wolfgang joined at the last minute and was at the back of the grid. Through some carnage on the first lap I ended up leading. After a few laps I saw Woeger, the GPL legend on my pit board. The gap came mercilessly down until I could see him in my mirrors. I watched him in my mirrors as I drove off the track...

"GaryR" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Not that I could do it, but there were guys back in the GPL early days > that kicked ass using a joystick.. wish I could remember their names. > > GR > Well I can tell you one at least - Wolfgang Woeger. He was one of the kings of GPL on it's release.

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> Tim Wheatley: >>Byron Forbes: >>>jeffareid: >>>>> I see the minimum requirements on controls are a wheel and pedals. No >>>>> more joystick drivers >>>> How would the game know if a player has a wheel and >>>> pedals intead of a joystick and throttle / brake? >>> Let's face it - it's easy to tell the difference between those who >>> play >>> with their joystick and those who don't! >> >> I'm not so sure. :) Wolfgang Woeger used to use a joystick when >> setting records with GPL. I think he got slower with a wheel. > > I can recall runing a race in VROC/GPL. Wolfgang joined at the last minute > and was at the back of the grid. Through some carnage on the first lap I > ended up leading. After a few laps I saw Woeger, the GPL legend on my pit > board. The gap came mercilessly down until I could see him in my mirrors. > I watched him in my mirrors as I drove off the track...

I moved from joystick to wheel. I used wheel when I finaly got it, but I could swear that jostick was somehow more precise. Maybe this really *was* the case. I was also faster with joystick, but I stopped to use it never-the-less. -- Mario Petrinovich

I know this was always a bit of a debate, but I always felt the joystick guys, and to a lesser extent almost all of GPL-iens actually learned to exploit the games "gaps" better then the rest of us. (In one of the early Nascar games for example, if you could hold the car down, half on the track, half off, you would get just insane lap times, something that was actually easier to do with a joystick... not a GPL example, but that sort of thing.) I always wondered how something would do in a better sim with a joystick. I guess we will never find out.

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> Tony R: > > Tim Wheatley: > >>Byron Forbes: > >>>jeffareid: > >>>>> I see the minimum requirements on controls are a wheel and pedals. No > >>>>> more joystick drivers > > >>>> How would the game know if a player has a wheel and > >>>> pedals intead of a joystick and throttle / brake? > > >>> Let's face it - it's easy to tell the difference between those who > >>> play > >>> with their joystick and those who don't! > >> > >> I'm not so sure. :) Wolfgang Woeger used to use a joystick when > >> setting records with GPL. I think he got slower with a wheel. > > > > I can recall runing a race in VROC/GPL. Wolfgang joined at the last minute > > and was at the back of the grid. Through some carnage on the first lap I > > ended up leading. After a few laps I saw Woeger, the GPL legend on my pit > > board. The gap came mercilessly down until I could see him in my mirrors. > > I watched him in my mirrors as I drove off the track... > > I moved from joystick to wheel. I used wheel when I finaly got it, > but I could swear that jostick was somehow more precise. Maybe this really > *was* the case. I was also faster with joystick, but I stopped to use it > never-the-less. -- Mario Petrinovich > > >

The same for myself, really. Was much faster with a joystick. In fact, could compete nearly with the best of them at the time. Was ranked not far outside the top 20 racers. Finally, after changing to wheel and pedals I never could match those times. However, I used to spend a whole lot more time whilst I was using a joystick - anything up to 14 hours a week - compared to wheel and pedals. Just never seemed to have the same amount of time available. Wouldn't want to go back to using a joystick anymore though. -- Pete Ives Remove All_stRESS before sending me an email

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> Tony R: >> Tim Wheatley: >>>Byron Forbes: >>>>jeffareid: >>>>>> I see the minimum requirements on controls are a wheel and pedals. No >>>>>> more joystick drivers > >>>>> How would the game know if a player has a wheel and >>>>> pedals intead of a joystick and throttle / brake? > >>>> Let's face it - it's easy to tell the difference between those who >>>> play >>>> with their joystick and those who don't! >>> >>> I'm not so sure. :) Wolfgang Woeger used to use a joystick when >>> setting records with GPL. I think he got slower with a wheel. >> >> I can recall runing a race in VROC/GPL. Wolfgang joined at the last >> minute >> and was at the back of the grid. Through some carnage on the first lap I >> ended up leading. After a few laps I saw Woeger, the GPL legend on my pit >> board. The gap came mercilessly down until I could see him in my mirrors. >> I watched him in my mirrors as I drove off the track... > > I moved from joystick to wheel. I used wheel when I finaly got it, > but I could swear that jostick was somehow more precise. Maybe this really > *was* the case. I was also faster with joystick, but I stopped to use it > never-the-less. -- Mario Petrinovich >

Most of the very fast fellas took advantage of the split axis that can obviously only be offered by pedals - this resulted in an effective ABS. They would set brake bias so that the front end would not lock under full braking and then balance the rear end with throttle. The use of simultaneous brake and throttle meant that the car could be balanced by anyone skilled at this which was especially important with the skatey GPL cars. The only "cheat" in doing this is that brake heat/wear was not modelled in GPL so there was simply a small fuel economy disadvantage. I remember Wolfgang changing to a wheel for this very reason but from memory he never mastered it to the degree that some others did.

> Most of the very fast fellas took advantage of the split axis that can obviously only be offered by pedals - this > resulted in an effective ABS. There's another advantage. A very loose coast differential can be used if a player uses the throttle and brake at the same time. This allows a player to modulate lift throttle oversteer induced from the differential while braking at the same time.

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> On Jun 16, 3:14 am, "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> "jeffareid" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> >> news:j4o5k.1588$[email hidden]... >> >> >> I see the minimum requirements on controls are a wheel and pedals. No >> >> more joystick drivers >> >> > How would the game know if a player has a wheel and >> > pedals intead of a joystick and throttle / brake? >> >> Let's face it - it's easy to tell the difference between those who >> play >> with their joystick and those who don't! > > I'm not so sure. :) Wolfgang Woeger used to use a joystick when > setting records with GPL. I think he got slower with a wheel.

Indeed, as if memory serves did a fellow with the initials DK. Had some small role in the development of GPL I think; maybe you should ask him! Even tried it myself for a bit just to see how it would go. Used the stick with my CH pedals and found you could go really quick since you had near-instant lock-to-lock steering response. But it didn't feel like driving a car, so I went back to my good old Wingman Formula wheel. Still, only time I ever got through Masta flat was with the stick... ;-) SB

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> "Tim Wheatley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> On Jun 16, 3:14 am, "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote: >>> "jeffareid" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> >>> news:j4o5k.1588$[email hidden]... >>> >>> >> I see the minimum requirements on controls are a wheel and pedals. No >>> >> more joystick drivers >>> >>> > How would the game know if a player has a wheel and >>> > pedals intead of a joystick and throttle / brake? >>> >>> Let's face it - it's easy to tell the difference between those who >>> play >>> with their joystick and those who don't! >> >> I'm not so sure. :) Wolfgang Woeger used to use a joystick when >> setting records with GPL. I think he got slower with a wheel. > > Indeed, as if memory serves did a fellow with the initials DK. Had some > small role in the development of GPL I think; maybe you should ask him! > > Even tried it myself for a bit just to see how it would go. Used the > stick with my CH pedals and found you could go really quick since you had > near-instant lock-to-lock steering response. But it didn't feel like > driving a car, so I went back to my good old Wingman Formula wheel. > > Still, only time I ever got through Masta flat was with the stick... ;-) > > SB >

--->>near-instant lock-to-lock steering response<<--- That's the key or nail on the head right there Steve! I tried a joystick too - to replace my -at the time, TSW wheel and the first thing you could see in GPL was that with the Joystick you just set the steer ratio nicely and then when driving just "whack" the stick to full lock at corner entry and keep throttle in it. The joystick was fast -maybe faster- than a wheel in GPL. 0-0-0-0-0

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> I know this was always a bit of a debate, but I always felt the > joystick guys, and to a lesser extent almost all of GPL-iens actually > learned to exploit the games "gaps" better then the rest of us. > > (In one of the early Nascar games for example, if you could hold the > car down, half on the track, half off, you would get just insane lap > times, something that was actually easier to do with a joystick... not > a GPL example, but that sort of thing.) > > I always wondered how something would do in a better sim with a > joystick. I guess we will never find out.

They actually do that in real life, it creates oversteer and helps the car turn.

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> "Steve Blankenship" <steveNOSPAMblankenshipATcomcast.net> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > "Tim Wheatley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> On Jun 16, 3:14 am, "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>> "jeffareid" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > >>>news:j4o5k.1588$[email hidden]... > > >>> >> I see the minimum requirements on controls are a wheel and pedals. No > >>> >> more joystick drivers > > >>> > How would the game know if a player has a wheel and > >>> > pedals intead of a joystick and throttle / brake? > > >>> Let's face it - it's easy to tell the difference between those who > >>> play > >>> with their joystick and those who don't! > > >> I'm not so sure. :) Wolfgang Woeger used to use a joystick when > >> setting records with GPL. I think he got slower with a wheel. > > > Indeed, as if memory serves did a fellow with the initials DK. Had some > > small role in the development of GPL I think; maybe you should ask him! > > > Even tried it myself for a bit just to see how it would go. Used the > > stick with my CH pedals and found you could go really quick since you had > > near-instant lock-to-lock steering response. But it didn't feel like > > driving a car, so I went back to my good old Wingman Formula wheel. > > > Still, only time I ever got through Masta flat was with the stick... ;-) > > > SB > > --->>near-instant lock-to-lock steering response<<--- > > That's the key or nail on the head right there Steve! > > I tried a joystick too - to replace my -at the time, TSW wheel and the first > thing you could see in GPL was that with the Joystick you just set the steer > ratio nicely and then when driving just "whack" the stick to full lock at > corner entry and keep throttle in it. > The joystick was fast -maybe faster- than a wheel in GPL. > > 0-0-0-0-0

I actually raced GPL with keys for a bit when my wheel broke, when you got used to it you could go pretty darned fast... The longer you held the key the more it turned, you could be fairly precise. Of course traction control was always on as a driver aid though...