N2 & Diamond Steath 3D 2000: Nasrend won't run

Nasrend mode requires a video card with a Rendition Vrit chip, and your Diamond Stealth 3D uses S3's Virge 3D 'Decelerator' chip. -- [link lost in import]

Hi all, Does anyone know how to get the Diamond Stealth 3D card to initalize in the Nasrend mode ?? After I installed this card I can't get the game to recognize it !! The graphics look much better, but Is this the 3D mode ?? Doesn't seem like it !! Any help that anyone could provide is way more than I have now !! I already tried the Diamond Web site and downloaded both the Windows 95 driver, and the DOS VESA 2.0 driver. The game still won't Initalize the card !! Thanks Again !!

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> Hi all, Does anyone know how to get the Diamond Stealth 3D card to > initalize in the Nasrend mode ?? After I installed this card I can't get > the game to recognize it !! The graphics look much better, but Is this the > 3D mode ?? Doesn't seem like it !! > Any help that anyone could provide is way more than I have now !! I > already tried the Diamond Web site and downloaded both the Windows 95 > driver, and the DOS VESA 2.0 driver. The game still won't Initalize the > card !! Thanks Again !!

Hello, The Diamond Stealth product does support 3d but not Rendition 3d. You cannot run Rendition with a Stealth Card. I would take it back and get a Screamin 3D. You will notice a drastic difference in frame rate and detail. Gene, PIT ROAD http://www.pitroad.com/

That must be you thinking the graphics are better. There is 2 modes 2d & 3d. 2d no matter what card you got... even 3dfx wony look any different. 3d can only be run if your card has a Rendition Verite Chip in it. Stealth 3d has a virge chip, so there is not a single way you can run nasrend with that card. > Hi all, Does anyone know how to get the Diamond Stealth 3D card to > initalize in the Nasrend mode ?? After I installed this card I can't get > the game to recognize it !! The graphics look much better, but Is this the > 3D mode ?? Doesn't seem like it !! > Any help that anyone could provide is way more than I have now !! I > already tried the Diamond Web site and downloaded both the Windows 95 > driver, and the DOS VESA 2.0 driver. The game still won't Initalize the > card !! Thanks Again !!

I have a Stealth 3D 2000 and am considering getting a Screamin' 3D so I can use the Rendition mode in Nascar 2. However, very few applications as of yet make use of Rendition, and my Stealth 3D is a very good performer in other areas. I'm wondering if you, or anyone else reading this, knows of a web site or something that compares non-3D performance of Stealth 3D 2000 to the Rendition cards. I know I'll lose performance in 2D/windows/DOS when going to a Rendition card, but I just want to know if the loss is worth being able to play Nascar2 in Rendition mode. Of course I'd rather get a 3dfx and be able to keep my Stealth for 2D stuff, but as someone else pointed out, looks like Sierra is more interested in promoting their own interests than supplying the customers with what they want.

For Windows 2D stuff it will be slower, but most 2D cards are quite accpetable by today's standards. For VESA resolutions the two cards should be quite similar. The Rendition will be far behind in regular old VGA, but when's the last time you played a game in VGA? -- http://ebusch.akorn.net

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> >Hello, > >The Diamond Stealth product does support 3d but not Rendition 3d. You > >cannot run Rendition with a Stealth Card. I would take it back and get a > >Screamin 3D. You will notice a drastic difference in frame rate and > >detail. > >Gene, > >PIT ROAD > >http://www.pitroad.com/ > I have a Stealth 3D 2000 and am considering getting a Screamin' 3D so > I can use the Rendition mode in Nascar 2. However, very few > applications as of yet make use of Rendition, and my Stealth 3D is a > very good performer in other areas. I'm wondering if you, or anyone > else reading this, knows of a web site or something that compares > non-3D performance of Stealth 3D 2000 to the Rendition cards. I know > I'll lose performance in 2D/windows/DOS when going to a Rendition > card, but I just want to know if the loss is worth being able to play > Nascar2 in Rendition mode. Of course I'd rather get a 3dfx and be > able to keep my Stealth for 2D stuff, but as someone else pointed out, > looks like Sierra is more interested in promoting their own interests > than supplying the customers with what they want.

Don't buy a Rendition card just for that game. A Monster 3D card along with a Diamond Stealth is an awesome combination for 2D/3D.

You should know better, NO????

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>Skeeter, >I do not know of such a site for a comparison, but I too am very satisfied >with my Stealth 3D 2000. I went to a dos prompt and ran nasrend and the >other two dos commands (cant' think of the file names right now!) and I >could swear that I now see some 3D effect on the Sears Point and Watkins >Glen tracks that wasn't there before!! >When I ran these dos commands for Nasrend, etc. I got unrecognized vidoe >card messages, but still ran all three and then went back to N2 in Win95. >I know it sounds crazy, but I still think it did something to give a 3D >effect. Try it out and see if you don't agree, I'd really be interested in >hearing a second opinion.

> Don't buy a Rendition card just for that game. A Monster 3D card along > with a Diamond Stealth is an awesome combination for 2D/3D. Speak for yourself. Maybe Nascar2 is his favorite game so a Rendition card may be a good choice. I replaced my Millenium with a Reactor and haven't been disappointed at all from a 2D performance standpoint. As long as he doesn't want to play Doom he could be very happy. DLB

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>> Don't buy a Rendition card just for that game. A Monster 3D card along >> with a Diamond Stealth is an awesome combination for 2D/3D. >Speak for yourself. Maybe Nascar2 is his favorite game so a Rendition >card may be a good choice. I replaced my Millenium with a Reactor and >haven't been disappointed at all from a 2D performance standpoint. As >long as he doesn't want to play Doom he could be very happy. >DLB

Well, being the person he was making the suggestion to, I'll say that Nascar2 is, in fact, my favorite game right now. However, as I'm sure you as a Rendition owner are well aware (doh, etc), there are lots of cool games out for 3dfx, and more to come. I don't even know if there is a Doom for 3dfx... Nor care. The 3dfx's tech support, driver support, and most importantly, game support, seems to be miles ahead of Rendition (aside from Nascar2). If it weren't for Nascar2, I wouldn't even have to think twice. Anyway, I've decided to get a 3dfx. As much as I'd like to play Nascar2 enhanced, it's not worth buying a video card just for it, when I'd be giving up so much in the other direction (not just 2D performance, but missing out on the 3dfx). All I can say is that I hope Nascar3 uses Direct3D or is 3dfx enhanced also or something, otherwise Sierra won't be getting my money for it.

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>> >Hello, >> >The Diamond Stealth product does support 3d but not Rendition 3d. You >> >cannot run Rendition with a Stealth Card. I would take it back and get a >> >Screamin 3D. You will notice a drastic difference in frame rate and >> >detail. >> >Gene, >> >PIT ROAD >> >http://www.pitroad.com/ >> I have a Stealth 3D 2000 and am considering getting a Screamin' 3D so >> I can use the Rendition mode in Nascar 2. However, very few >> applications as of yet make use of Rendition, and my Stealth 3D is a >> very good performer in other areas. I'm wondering if you, or anyone >> else reading this, knows of a web site or something that compares >> non-3D performance of Stealth 3D 2000 to the Rendition cards. I know >> I'll lose performance in 2D/windows/DOS when going to a Rendition >> card, but I just want to know if the loss is worth being able to play >> Nascar2 in Rendition mode. Of course I'd rather get a 3dfx and be >> able to keep my Stealth for 2D stuff, but as someone else pointed out, >> looks like Sierra is more interested in promoting their own interests >> than supplying the customers with what they want. >Don't buy a Rendition card just for that game. A Monster 3D card along >with a Diamond Stealth is an awesome combination for 2D/3D.

Just out of interest as I have a 2000 3d and was disapointed f1 would not work, do you need to plug the monitor into the Monster card or is there some internal connecting cable between the two cards. -- Russell A Smith

Skeeter, I do not know of such a site for a comparison, but I too am very satisfied with my Stealth 3D 2000. I went to a dos prompt and ran nasrend and the other two dos commands (cant' think of the file names right now!) and I could swear that I now see some 3D effect on the Sears Point and Watkins Glen tracks that wasn't there before!! When I ran these dos commands for Nasrend, etc. I got unrecognized vidoe card messages, but still ran all three and then went back to N2 in Win95. I know it sounds crazy, but I still think it did something to give a 3D effect. Try it out and see if you don't agree, I'd really be interested in hearing a second opinion. -- Regards, Michael Bell IVGA Member #2935 > >Hello, > >The Diamond Stealth product does support 3d but not Rendition 3d. You > >cannot run Rendition with a Stealth Card. I would take it back and get a > >Screamin 3D. You will notice a drastic difference in frame rate and > >detail. > >Gene, > >PIT ROAD > >http://www.pitroad.com/ > I have a Stealth 3D 2000 and am considering getting a Screamin' 3D so > I can use the Rendition mode in Nascar 2. However, very few > applications as of yet make use of Rendition, and my Stealth 3D is a > very good performer in other areas. I'm wondering if you, or anyone > else reading this, knows of a web site or something that compares > non-3D performance of Stealth 3D 2000 to the Rendition cards. I know > I'll lose performance in 2D/windows/DOS when going to a Rendition > card, but I just want to know if the loss is worth being able to play > Nascar2 in Rendition mode. Of course I'd rather get a 3dfx and be > able to keep my Stealth for 2D stuff, but as someone else pointed out, > looks like Sierra is more interested in promoting their own interests > than supplying the customers with what they want.

For some second opinions the Screamin 3d, go to http://www.users.wineasy.se/bjornt/bt3d.html Kevin