TOP 100 - HAWAII

Drivers: The IVGA is going to publish the TOP 100 HAWAII Statistics using the David Martin Software and the Hawaii Racing Logs. We have started with a number of ways to sort the data and we are looking for many more suggestions to make the information even better. We hope to keep the information up to date. Stop by the TOP 100 page Its under construction so the information will change. Personally I dont think that 20 or 50 races is enough and I will lobby at least to add more minimum races for the veteran drivers. I would also suggest that races with 0 to 9 drivers are not important... And those statictics should be deleted or moved down to a secondary page of links. OK... Dave Sparks and Eric Busch ... Lets hear from you... Don Wilshe Don Wilshe, IVGA Hawaii MP Winners All stats based on race logs thru May 8, 1997. comments or suggestions to display any other statistics. Thanks to David Martin for the MP Analyzer at http://www2.card.unc.edu/~ivl/mpinfo.html All of these stats came directly from David's web page. Top 100 Wins/Start With Minimum Field Of 00 Drivers (Minimum 20 starts) Top 100 Wins/Start With Minimum Field Of 05 Drivers (Minimum 20 starts) Top 100 Wins/Start With Minimum Field Of 10 Drivers (Minimum 20 starts) Top 100 Wins/Start With Minimum Field Of 15 Drivers (Minimum 20 starts) Top 100 Wins/Start With Minimum Field Of 20 Drivers (Minimum 20 starts) Top 100 Wins/Start With Minimum Field Of 25 Drivers (Minimum 20 starts) Top 100 Wins/Start With Minimum Field Of 30 Drivers (Minimum 20 starts) Top 100 Wins/Start With Minimum Field Of 35 Drivers (Minimum 20 starts) Top 100 Wins/Start With Minimum Field Of 00 Drivers (Minimum 50 starts) Top 100 Wins/Start With Minimum Field Of 05 Drivers (Minimum 50 starts) Top 100 Wins/Start With Minimum Field Of 10 Drivers (Minimum 50 starts) Top 100 Wins/Start With Minimum Field Of 15 Drivers (Minimum 50 starts) Top 100 Wins/Start With Minimum Field Of 20 Drivers (Minimum 50 starts) Top 100 Wins/Start With Minimum Field Of 25 Drivers (Minimum 50 starts) Top 100 Wins/Start With Minimum Field Of 30 Drivers (Minimum 50 starts) Top 100 Wins/Start With Minimum Field Of 35 Drivers (Minimum 50 starts) Top 100 Laps Complete With Minimum of 20 races Top 100 Laps/Incident With Minimum of 20 races Top 100 Laps Led With Minimum of 20 races Top 100 Winners With Minimum Field Of 00 Drivers Top 100 Winners With Minimum Field Of 05 Drivers Top 100 Winners With Minimum Field Of 10 Drivers Top 100 Winners With Minimum Field Of 15 Drivers Top 100 Winners With Minimum Field Of 20 Drivers Top 100 Winners With Minimum Field Of 25 Drivers Top 100 Winners With Minimum Field Of 30 Drivers Top 100 Winners With Minimum Field Of 35 Drivers Top 100 Winners With Minimum Field Of 00 Drivers Not Including Talladega Results Top 100 Winners With Minimum Field Of 05 Drivers Not Including Talladega Results Top 100 Winners With Minimum Field Of 10 Drivers Not Including Talladega Results Top 100 Winners With Minimum Field Of 15 Drivers Not Including Talladega Results Top 100 Winners With Minimum Field Of 20 Drivers Not Including Talladega Results Top 100 Winners With Minimum Field Of 25 Drivers Not Including Talladega Results Top 100 Winners With Minimum Field Of 30 Drivers Not Including Talladega Results Top 100 Winners With Minimum Field Of 35 Drivers Not Including Talladega Results These statistics produced by the MP Analyzer at http://www2.card.unc.edu/~ivl/mpinfo.html written by David Martin

It's been quite some time since I've raced on Hawaii (I have other things to spend my money on besides LD charges) so I honestly don't have much of an opinion about the rankings. I do want to point out that racing only at Talladega isn't a magic way to become a high skill level. True it's probably the easiest track to win or at least place in the top five, but I would also argue it's the easiest track to finish last at as well. A car with any damage just isn't going to win. Back when I was racing, it too quite a bit of skill to dodge all of the moron drivers that seemed to populate the majority of pickup races. -- http://ebusch.akorn.net

the link is http://www.ivga.com/top100 don wilshe

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> Drivers: > The IVGA is going to publish the TOP 100 HAWAII Statistics > using the David Martin Software and the Hawaii Racing Logs. > We have started with a number of ways to sort the data and > we are looking for many more suggestions to make the information > even better. We hope to keep the information up to date. > Stop by the TOP 100 page > Its under construction so the information will change. > Personally I dont think that 20 or 50 races is enough and > I will lobby at least to add more minimum races for the > veteran drivers. I would also suggest that races with > 0 to 9 drivers are not important... And those statictics > should be deleted or moved down to a secondary page of links. > OK... Dave Sparks and Eric Busch ... Lets hear from you... > Don Wilshe > Don Wilshe, IVGA > Hawaii MP Winners > All stats based on race logs thru May 8, 1997. > comments or suggestions to display any other statistics. > Thanks to David Martin for the MP Analyzer at > http://www2.card.unc.edu/~ivl/mpinfo.html > All of these stats came directly from David's web page. > Top 100 Wins/Start With Minimum Field Of 00 Drivers (Minimum 20 starts) > .....

[snip] > These statistics produced by the MP Analyzer at > http://www2.card.unc.edu/~ivl/mpinfo.html, written by David Martin Don, doesn't this reward the "win at all cost" type driver? You place no value on finishing second or third etc. mykey

I dont think so we have percentages statistics as well as endurance stats.. don good point

> Drivers: > The IVGA is going to publish the TOP 100 HAWAII Statistics > using the David Martin Software and the Hawaii Racing Logs. YAWN!!!! we race 'cause we love it, not cause we care what the IVGA thinks. Steve Hawaii ACE League

Eric, I would like to point out that if you only race Talladega, where the fields can get 25+ more than not, you would have a better chance to make points if you finish in the top 10. Sean Higgins > It's been quite some time since I've raced on Hawaii (I have other things > to spend my money on besides LD charges) so I honestly don't have much of > an opinion about the rankings. I do want to point out that racing only at > Talladega isn't a magic way to become a high skill level. True it's > probably the easiest track to win or at least place in the top five, but I

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> would also argue it's the easiest track to finish last at as well. A car > with any damage just isn't going to win. Back when I was racing, it too > quite a bit of skill to dodge all of the moron drivers that seemed to > populate the majority of pickup races. > -- > http://ebusch.akorn.net > >The IVGA is going to publish the TOP 100 HAWAII Statistics > >using the David Martin Software and the Hawaii Racing Logs.

Sure the fields are larger, but from my experience it's still a valid test to skill to be able to stay alive and finish in the top 30% with the close fast racing that Dega naturally creates. -- http://ebusch.akorn.net

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> > Drivers: > > The IVGA is going to publish the TOP 100 HAWAII Statistics > > using the David Martin Software and the Hawaii Racing Logs. > YAWN!!!! we race 'cause we love it, not cause we care what the IVGA > thinks. > Steve > Hawaii ACE League

Steve: Its not what the IVGA thinks we just put this information up as a service. These statistics are provided by using the Dave Martin Analysis program and the Hawaii Logs.. I guess you think we shouldnt publish theses at all.. Don

Don, I just think that you should increase the minimum races run to 100 or 200. Having a minimum race of 20 to 50 just makes any hopes of getting stats to look at hopeless. I mean, 20 to 50 race minimum throw's alot of the " I raced till Mom and Dad got the first phone bill and realized what was going on" statistics. Just my opinion, Shawn Wise Midwest Motorsports ProHCS3 & HGNS3 on Hawaii

(snip) With all due respect, Don, the list never changes much. The same names are on the list every time one is published, or talked about. I finished applauding for them a year ago..my hands hurt! Regards, Gavel

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> >Its not what the IVGA thinks we just put this information up as > >a service. These statistics are provided by using the Dave > >Martin Analysis program and the Hawaii Logs.. I guess you > >think we shouldnt publish theses at all.. > >Don > Don, > I just think that you should increase the minimum races run > to 100 or 200. Having a minimum race of 20 to 50 just makes > any hopes of getting stats to look at hopeless. I mean, 20 to > 50 race minimum throw's alot of the " I raced till Mom and Dad > got the first phone bill and realized what was going on" statistics. > Just my opinion, > Shawn Wise > Midwest Motorsports > ProHCS3 & HGNS3 on Hawaii

Shawn: Yes we do think alike.. I believe that we will have some classes added like: ARCA/NOICE 50-100 races BUSCH/AMATEUR 101-400 races WINSTON/PRO 300+ Something Like that... Don

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> (snip) > >> YAWN!!!! we race 'cause we love it, not cause we care what the IVGA > >> thinks. > >> Steve > >> Hawaii ACE League > >Steve: > >Its not what the IVGA thinks we just put this information up as > >a service. These statistics are provided by using the Dave > >Martin Analysis program and the Hawaii Logs.. I guess you > >think we shouldnt publish theses at all.. > >Don > With all due respect, Don, the list never changes much. The same > names are on the list every time one is published, or talked about. > I finished applauding for them a year ago..my hands hurt! > Regards, > Gavel

Gavel: I agree.. Thats why I think adding the categories like NOVICE/AMATEUR/PRO will give us some new faces to watch. Thanks for your input don

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>Shawn: >Yes we do think alike.. >I believe that we will have some classes added like: >ARCA/NOICE 50-100 races >BUSCH/AMATEUR 101-400 races >WINSTON/PRO 300+ >Something Like that... >Don

That means that Darrel Cherry (and others like myself) will be rated as amateurs. Dave Sparks IWCCCARS Project: http://www.theuspits.com/iwcccars Late Night League: http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html Hawaii Handle: davids

If Sparks and Cherry are amateurs, so is Dale Earnhardt...

> If Sparks and Cherry are amateurs, so is Dale Earnhardt... People: Thanks for the input. Sparks and Cherry are certainly Pro's and we will have to adjust the races to include them.. Thanks for the help... Hope to get information up soon... Don Wilshe, IVGA How many races does Cherry and Sparks have... What are there handles.. Darrel Cherry is an excellent driver, but does have to participate alittle more DEGA...

Hi Don, I don't know about Darrel, but Dave's Hawaii handle is "dsparks." Cheers! Marc

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> Hi Don, > I don't know about Darrel, but Dave's Hawaii handle is "dsparks." > Cheers! > Marc

davids handle is actually.....davids Darrel has a simple one too...Darrel Terry H. who's handle is TerryH :-)

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> > >Its not what the IVGA thinks we just put this information up as > > >a service. These statistics are provided by using the Dave > > >Martin Analysis program and the Hawaii Logs.. I guess you > > >think we shouldnt publish theses at all.. > > >Don > > Don, > > I just think that you should increase the minimum races run > > to 100 or 200. Having a minimum race of 20 to 50 just makes > > any hopes of getting stats to look at hopeless. I mean, 20 to > > 50 race minimum throw's alot of the " I raced till Mom and Dad > > got the first phone bill and realized what was going on" statistics. > > Just my opinion, > > Shawn Wise > > Midwest Motorsports > > ProHCS3 & HGNS3 on Hawaii > Shawn: > Yes we do think alike.. > I believe that we will have some classes added like: > ARCA/NOICE 50-100 races > BUSCH/AMATEUR 101-400 races > WINSTON/PRO 300+ > Something Like that... > Don

Don , also one with acheived wins thru Cheats and one group with only using what the game provides :)no artificial help -- Paul Carillon

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> > > >Its not what the IVGA thinks we just put this information up as > > > >a service. These statistics are provided by using the Dave > > > >Martin Analysis program and the Hawaii Logs.. I guess you > > > >think we shouldnt publish theses at all.. > > > >Don > > > Don, > > > I just think that you should increase the minimum races run > > > to 100 or 200. Having a minimum race of 20 to 50 just makes > > > any hopes of getting stats to look at hopeless. I mean, 20 to > > > 50 race minimum throw's alot of the " I raced till Mom and Dad > > > got the first phone bill and realized what was going on" statistics. > > > Just my opinion, > > > Shawn Wise > > > Midwest Motorsports > > > ProHCS3 & HGNS3 on Hawaii > > Shawn: > > Yes we do think alike.. > > I believe that we will have some classes added like: > > ARCA/NOICE 50-100 races > > BUSCH/AMATEUR 101-400 races > > WINSTON/PRO 300+ > > Something Like that... > > Don > Don , also one with acheived wins thru Cheats and one group with only > using what the game provides :)no artificial help > -- > Paul Carillon

Paul: How can you tell if someone cheated from the HAWAII logs.. Why dont you ask PAPYRUS to publish the list.. don