Ed still at papy?

I read in a post below that Ed Martin left papy. This means he isn't running NROS, then who is? The other question is, who will be left of the origonal team after the whole Sierra take over settles down? If r.a.s. were to make a racing game, we would probably be the only ones making quality sims anymore, especisially looking at the fall of papy, just think of the cool little co-op we'd have, Not to say itwould even have a 1% chance of suceding. Just an example. --Kai Fuller

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> I read in a post below that Ed Martin left papy. This means he isn't > running NROS, then who is? The other question is, who will be left of the > origonal team after the whole Sierra take over settles down? If r.a.s. were > to make a racing game, we would probably be the only ones making quality > sims anymore, especisially looking at the fall of papy, just think of the > cool little co-op we'd have, Not to say itwould even have a 1% chance of > suceding. Just an example. > --Kai Fuller

Yes Ed has left Papy and i heard that Dave Matson is taking over but not sure of this -- Paul Carillon http://members.aol.com/sschevy454 http://www2.netwide.net/n2ros/hts

<<The other question is, who will be left of the origonal team after the whole Sierra take over settles down?>> I'm certainly no prescient genius, but this is exactly what I said in correspondence to Sierra/Papyrus, and in this newsgroup, many moons ago. I would be willing to bet actual American money that a year from now, the Papyrus name will be but a memory, and the next edition of NASCAR will be written by the people who code Leisure Suit Larry. Think that's farfetched (well, maybe the Leisure Suit Larry part...)? Look at N1. Then look at N2. I was under the impression that successive versions of a product were supposed to be *improvements*... Bart Brown

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> <<The other question is, who will be left of the origonal team after the > whole Sierra take over settles down?>> > I'm certainly no prescient genius, but this is exactly what I said in > correspondence to Sierra/Papyrus, and in this newsgroup, many moons ago. > I would be willing to bet actual American money that a year from now, > the Papyrus name will be but a memory, and the next edition of NASCAR > will be written by the people who code Leisure Suit Larry. > Think that's farfetched (well, maybe the Leisure Suit Larry part...)? > Look at N1. Then look at N2. I was under the impression that successive > versions of a product were supposed to be *improvements*... > Bart Brown

Bart is that all you do is find something to *** about, I hardly ever see you say anything constructive just destructive.You moan and moan cry about this and taht .Why dont you lighten up and become a programmer with a deadline and guys crying for the next project to be done on time and show us how it should be done.You seem to have all the answers so show us something instead of ***ing so much.Damn! -- Paul Carillon [link lost in import] [link lost in import] [link lost in import]

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>Bart is that all you do is find something to *** about, I hardly > ever see you say anything constructive just destructive.You moan and > moan cry about this and taht .Why dont you lighten up and become a > programmer with a deadline and guys crying for the next project to be > done on time and show us how it should be done.You seem to have all the > answers so show us something instead of ***ing so much.Damn! > -- > Paul Carillon

Gee, Paul -- are you upset with me? OK, I'll show you something: The latest issue of "Interaction", Sierra's house rag, just hit my mailbox today. Although N2 and ICRII are mentioned many times, there is not a single use (that I can find) of the name Papyrus in the entire issue. What does that tell you? BTW, I don't have all the answers, I have all the questions. There's a difference, you know. What do you use to read this newsgroup, Pauly? Every browser I've ever seen identifies the message sender (it's right there under "sender", see?). If you don't like my posts, don't read 'em. I won't hold it against you. Bart

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> >Bart is that all you do is find something to *** about, I hardly > > ever see you say anything constructive just destructive.You moan and > > moan cry about this and taht .Why dont you lighten up and become a > > programmer with a deadline and guys crying for the next project to be > > done on time and show us how it should be done.You seem to have all the > > answers so show us something instead of ***ing so much.Damn! > > -- > > Paul Carillon > Gee, Paul -- are you upset with me? > OK, I'll show you something: The latest issue of "Interaction", Sierra's > house rag, just hit my mailbox today. Although N2 and ICRII are > mentioned many times, there is not a single use (that I can find) of the > name Papyrus in the entire issue. What does that tell you?

I dont know about you Bart but i could of swore that Seirra bought out Papyrus of lets say 6 mos or so ago so thats more than likely why you dont see Papy mentioned because they are now part of Seirra.If I'm wrong correct me. Well still maybe if you treid to write some programs maybe you would see how much is involved and would stop your complaining because of some glitch.And because you cant have a patch the next day when you find a problem. Oh ya i see it and I knew what it tells me and i just thought i would see if you have anything good to say but never noticed anything.Was hoping you had something constructive to say thats all.But from you expressed attitude i can see that will never happen. -- Paul Carillon [link lost in import] [link lost in import] [link lost in import]

yure absolootlie rite, Poll.

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>I'm certainly no prescient genius, but this is exactly what I said in >correspondence to Sierra/Papyrus, and in this newsgroup, many moons ago. >I would be willing to bet actual American money that a year from now, >the Papyrus name will be but a memory, and the next edition of NASCAR >will be written by the people who code Leisure Suit Larry. >Think that's farfetched (well, maybe the Leisure Suit Larry part...)? >Look at N1. Then look at N2. I was under the impression that successive >versions of a product were supposed to be *improvements*...

Care to elaborate on what is you don't think is better in N2? - Graphics - Tracks - Cars - Setup screen - Replace screen - Race menus I think if you were to poll the users of both N1 and N2, you would find that the vast majority find N2 to be an improvement. I'd like to hear what it is that leads you to the opinion that N2 is not an improvement over N1. Dave Sparks IWCCCARS Project: http://www.theuspits.com/iwcccars Late Night League: http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html Hawaii Handle: davids

: OK, I'll show you something: The latest issue of "Interaction", Sierra's : house rag, just hit my mailbox today. Although N2 and ICRII are : mentioned many times, there is not a single use (that I can find) of the : name Papyrus in the entire issue. What does that tell you? <snip> Well, I just received my copy of Interaction and my copy must not be the same as the "special redacted" version you recieved. pg 12: "Upcoming Issues" "Watch for future interviews with ... *Papyrus'* head speed demon, Dave Kaemmer." pg 88: "***ed to SODA" "We live for the next big *Papryus* racing release. That's why we went into mourning when the *Papyrus* developers recently let us know that Grand Prix Legends wouldn't be available until Spring 1998. . . pre-alpha version of *Papyrus'* new SODA Off-Road Racing..." pg 89: same article "The folks at *Papyrus* have big plans... We've made *Papyrus* promise..." "What does that tell" me? -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Hmmmm. Then how come so many people bought Windows 95? If five will get you ten, ten will get you twenty...hot and cold running beer, flowing on the lawn...your grandmother's paisley shawl... It tells ME that I don't read Interaction very closely. You got me on that one, Michael... But what about THIS: Why don't you say that NASCAR should take out a lease on Bristol and fly to Dover Air Force Base where they use asfault as the main ingredient in bouillabaise? Soft ice cream is delicious. AI YI YI YI CHIHUAHUA ...... DAMN! I'm gonna go put a bucket on my head. You have to admit, though, that it was VERY small type... MEA CULPA Barton S. Brown

: > >"What does that tell" me? : > : Hmmmm. Then how come so many people bought Windows 95? If five will get : you ten, ten will get you twenty...hot and cold running beer, flowing on : the lawn...your grandmother's paisley shawl... : It tells ME that I don't read Interaction very closely. You got me on : that one, Michael... : But what about THIS: Why don't you say that NASCAR should take out a : lease on Bristol and fly to Dover Air Force Base where they use asfault : as the main ingredient in bouillabaise? Soft ice cream is delicious. AI : YI YI YI CHIHUAHUA ...... : DAMN! I'm gonna go put a bucket on my head. You have to admit, though, : that it was VERY small type... : MEA CULPA As the umbrella gets bigger that covers Papyrus Design Group (CUC -> Sierra -> Papyrus), we maybe seeing what you feared. At least at the present Papyrus still exists as a "marketable" name for Sierra. But, you are right that for all of the "ads" for NASCAR2 not a single mention of Papyrus could be found. Hmmmmm. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=