Who are the 15 most influent person in SimRacing??

Hi to all, For my new website comming in mid-july, I have a question that I would love to have people reply. What are, in your opinion, the 15 most influent person in our SimRacing community actually ??? This could be the beginning of a great thread, and if you don't know 15names only write the first ones you think. If you don't want people to know your choices please e-mail your answers. Even if you don't like the person, please write him if you think he's influent. When I say influent, I say what person do youthink has the more ower in SimRacing. Remember that it is actually, because I will update it often, to let know who is "hot" or not :) Here is my personnal choices: 1. Alex Santantonio 2. Don Wilshe 3. David Sparks 4. Eric T.Busch 5. Micheal E.Carver 6. Tor Nygren 7. Pieter von Dieren 8. Steve Ramirez 9. Ty Byrd 10. Mark J.Nelson 11. Peika Heino 12. Alex Koziol 13. Chas Bornemann 14. ymenard 15. Alex Koziol This are my opinion and it took me some time deciding the 10 last places. So don't flame me because you are not in it. PLEASE reply to me. The SRHOF is for the SimRacers and only the Simracers. I'm doing this for all of you. Thanks a lot, Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) SPEED- Public relations director SPEED- Cars, WC, BGN, Trucks, IROC, utilities and more... SPEED- http://www.sim-speed.com/ - *#1 rec.autos.simulator post writer* - - *Unnoficial leader of r.a.s. * - Flight Cadet Nien Numb, Gold squadron NSWL http://www.dpliv.com/dragon/Gold/index.html May the force be with you, always!! - *Official Star Wars Geek fan * - - *Best French Nascar2 SimRacer on the 'net * - - *May the force be with you, always!! * - - *Excuse me for my poor English(I'm French speaking) * -

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>1. Alex Santantonio >2. Don Wilshe >3. David Sparks >4. Eric T.Busch >5. Micheal E.Carver >6. Tor Nygren >7. Pieter von Dieren >8. Steve Ramirez >9. Ty Byrd >10. Mark J.Nelson >11. Peika Heino >12. Alex Koziol >13. Chas Bornemann >14. ymenard >15. Alex Koziol

I can think of several people who shouldn't be in there, and as many that should. How about Gerhard Lingenberg, Tony Johns, Jed'n'Jan just for starters? Then you can add Trev Kellaway, Dave Gymer even Geoff Crammond and the Papyrus guys. Cheers! John

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> (Original drivel snipped...) > >14. ymenard <--- note inclusion of himself > >15. Alex Koziol > I have seen some egomaniacal losers in my several years > on usenet, but this is pretty funny. He was in his OWN > "influent" list! > (More self-serving drivel snipped....) > His 18 line ego-pumping, netiquette-bashing .sig tells the > rest of the story. What a dork. > ** NOTE: Please remove NOSPAM from address to Email me ** > ----------------------------------------------------------- > -----------------------------------------------------------

I couldn't agree more. This idiot found my kill file months ago when I got sick of his self-serving "I'm not breaking the law by illegally distributing copyrighted material because it makes people HAPPYHAPPYHAPPY" crap. I actually thought his web page was a good idea until I saw who was doing it. The inclusion of his own name only confirms my impression that he is a self-absorbed jackass. Keith -- Think before you Spam... "By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited adverti***t to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation."

I think he MEANT to put his name at the top...but what about Alex Koziol and his other brother Alex Koziol? Bart Brown

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> >1. Alex Santantonio > >2. Don Wilshe > >3. David Sparks > >4. Eric T.Busch > >5. Micheal E.Carver > >6. Tor Nygren > >7. Pieter von Dieren > >8. Steve Ramirez > >9. Ty Byrd > >10. Mark J.Nelson > >11. Peika Heino > >12. Alex Koziol > >13. Chas Bornemann > >14. ymenard > >15. Alex Koziol > I can think of several people who shouldn't be in there, and as many > that should. How about Gerhard Lingenberg, Tony Johns, Jed'n'Jan just > for starters? Then you can add Trev Kellaway, Dave Gymer even Geoff > Crammond and the Papyrus guys. > Cheers! > John

Not to mention the fact that I have barely heard of some on the list. It's a pretty self serving list. How many of them are assoc with the Nascar Network? What's the point of this list? -- Mike's Nascar World http://www.netins.net/showcase/mpete/nascar.html Stop on by, what can it hurt?

<Snip> You had better be nice to him!!! He says he is our new leader....:-] Jim G.

<snip> : I can think of several people who shouldn't be in there, and as many : that should. How about Gerhard Lingenberg, Tony Johns, Jed'n'Jan just : for starters? Then you can add Trev Kellaway, Dave Gymer even Geoff : Crammond and the Papyrus guys. "List?! We don't need no stinking list!" Actually anyone who has contributed to this newsgroup in one way or another deserves to be on the list. Even the "***s" have a place on the list. This newsgroup would not be what it is if we decided to "carve" out a niche for an elite "influential" group. Anyone who has shared a thought (even those that I disagree with) has a vital role in making r.a.s. what it is. I will go one step further and would suggest that the "anonymous" lurkers deserve to be up there some where on the "list" -- wait a minute, there ain't no list. If the only reason anyone has contributed to r.a.s. is to garner attention or "elevation" of importance, well I'll let you fill in the blanks. We participate cuz we enjoy it. But, John, if there has to be a list you can remove the name of your choice and insert yours in its place! ;-) -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Aaaaaaaaamen brother, Hallelujah. I was never musical and trumpets aren't my thing - I've no desire to be on any such list. I just find myself wondering what purpose such a list would serve in being stored on a website? Anyone who downloads even a days worth of messages can get a pretty good idea of the demographics around here. Seems to be nothing other than a hearty back-slapping exercise and a means of attracting several hundred questions from people who need to read the FAQ. Or is it just the antithesis of David's "Moron of the week" list, an accolade which never found it's way onto Francois' .sig. -- Cheers! John (SRN-Europe) (Remove "NOSPAM" from address before replying...)

No-one has "power" in the sim-racing community, we all have the same one voice against the wind. Any power which someone has comes from your perception, and it's the power they have to get something done. What's more, anyone can do it, but most don't. If you want to make your own IVGA you can, you want to rival Earl Ma - you'd better be damn handy with the paints, you want to be leader - you'd better come up with a strategy no-one else has thought of! Whatever you want to do you can try, and if you do it well you will earn people's respect and folks may listen to you - or they may not. The one thing you can't do is presume respect before it's earned like, just for example, crowning yourself "head of r.a.s." when no such position exists nor is likely to. If for whatever reason you want to be leader of r.a.s., you'll need to find a better way of doing it than you've come up with so far. *** might work - my minimum bribe level is 2x64Mb SDRAM DIMMs, one each for Marc and I, to get Sim News backing your campaign. Every politician knows you need to have bought the media to have any hope of being elected ;-) -- Cheers! John (SRN-Europe) (Remove "NOSPAM" from address before replying...)

I want in on that too, so he better make it three... =) -- k>...

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>says... >> >1. Alex Santantonio >> >2. Don Wilshe >> >3. David Sparks >> >4. Eric T.Busch >> >5. Micheal E.Carver >> >6. Tor Nygren >> >7. Pieter von Dieren >> >8. Steve Ramirez >> >9. Ty Byrd >> >10. Mark J.Nelson >> >11. Peika Heino >> >12. Alex Koziol >> >13. Chas Bornemann >> >14. ymenard >> >15. Alex Koziol >> I can think of several people who shouldn't be in there, and as many >> that should. How about Gerhard Lingenberg, Tony Johns, Jed'n'Jan just >> for starters? Then you can add Trev Kellaway, Dave Gymer even Geoff >> Crammond and the Papyrus guys. >> Cheers! >> John >Not to mention the fact that I have barely heard of some on the list. >It's a pretty self serving list. How many of them are assoc with the >Nascar Network? >What's the point of this list? >-- >Mike's Nascar World >http://www.netins.net/showcase/mpete/nascar.html >Stop on by, what can it hurt?

I am wondering the same thing. What's the point of it

LOL!! ROFL!! PIP!!! Sorry, this list didn't made me HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY but, at least, it gives me a good laugh.

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> I want in on that too, so he better make it three... =) > -- > John Wallace wrote in article

Better make that four...otherwise forget my support. -- Mike's Nascar World http://www.netins.net/showcase/mpete/nascar.html Stop on by, what can it hurt?

*cackle**laugh**chucklE**cackle* Honestly, its great to see all these people want to be recognized but damn, all this back patting is downright hilarious.... I respect the fact that there are alot of great people involved, but honestly, we don't need a list of "most influential people" I mean, what IS the point, as someone has already said....... SHOoooooooooo Shop and Compare! TrenT -- Driver of the #15 Cincinnati Bengals Pontiac N2STRS NSRA-S Division CatchMeIfU.........................Can

How about a list of the 15 Most Flatulent People On This Newsgroup? I nominate myself for #1! Bart

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> "List?! We don't need no stinking list!" Actually anyone who has > contributed to this newsgroup in one way or another deserves to be on the > list. Even the "***s" have a place on the list. This newsgroup > would not be what it is if we decided to "carve" out a niche for an elite > "influential" group. Anyone who has shared a thought (even those that I > disagree with) has a vital role in making r.a.s. what it is. I will go > one step further and would suggest that the "anonymous" lurkers > deserve to be up there some where on the "list" -- wait a minute, there > ain't no list. > If the only reason anyone has contributed to r.a.s. is to garner > attention or "elevation" of importance, well I'll let you fill in the > blanks. We participate cuz we enjoy it. > But, John, if there has to be a list you can remove the name of your > choice and insert yours in its place! ;-)

Sure we do, except it should be the 15,000 most influential people on r.a.s., then next time someone produces a sim that doesn't work on some machines, doesn't give a***pit view, is no more than a bug-fix of a previous game, requires a $50k SGI machine, or whatever, we'll have an instant petition list to send them (plus selected magazines, etc.) [Just 'cause I don't post often, don't mean I ain't here.] -- Theoretical Comp. Sci. Lab. | X400: S=ballim;OU=di;O=epfl; EPFL, Lausanne | PRMD=switch;ADMD=400net;C=ch CH-1015 (Switzerland) | [link lost in import: /~afzal] Phone: (+41 21) 693 52 34 | fax: (+41 21) 693 52 78

You're fooling yourself. I am, by far, the most flatulent one here. I've killed numerous elevator loads of people. Have you seen victims of chemical warfare? I have. My flatulence makes them look blissful. ------

You've obviously never been around Simulator ***world after the Burritos have kicked in..... Brandon (The Bad)

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>You're fooling yourself. I am, by far, the most flatulent >one here. I've killed numerous elevator loads of people. >Have you seen victims of chemical warfare? I have. >My flatulence makes them look blissful. >------ >> How about a list of the 15 Most Flatulent People On This Newsgroup? I >> nominate myself for #1! >> Bart

-- Simulator ***world http://sim***world.simplenet.com/ Nascar 1 ** Nascar 2 ** Indy Car 2 Member Site - The Sim Project - BB&B Track Editing SSCRA '97 OFFLINE RACING LEAGUE Chas Bornemann Brandon Reed Ted D. Scurlock NASCAR FEEL the THUNDER!!! Number 6 Every Other Man Productions Reed Racing & Enginering http://www.***highway.net/~blreed "Save the Texas Prarie Chicken!"

Well, that does it. Time for an International Flatulence Society Fart-Off. When and where? Bart

BELCH ------------------- Chas (The Ugly)

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> You've obviously never been around Simulator ***world after the > Burritos have kicked in..... > Brandon (The Bad) > >You're fooling yourself. I am, by far, the most flatulent > >one here. I've killed numerous elevator loads of people. > >Have you seen victims of chemical warfare? I have. > >My flatulence makes them look blissful. > >------ > >> How about a list of the 15 Most Flatulent People On This Newsgroup? I > >> nominate myself for #1! > >> Bart > -- > Simulator ***world > http://sim***world.simplenet.com/ > Nascar 1 ** Nascar 2 ** Indy Car 2 > Member Site - The Sim Project > - BB&B Track Editing > SSCRA '97 OFFLINE RACING LEAGUE > Chas Bornemann > Brandon Reed > Ted D. Scurlock > NASCAR FEEL the THUNDER!!! > Number 6 > Every Other Man Productions > Reed Racing & Enginering > http://www.***highway.net/~blreed > "Save the Texas Prarie Chicken!"

-- Simulator ***world http://sim***world.simplenet.com/ Nascar 1 ** Nascar 2 ** Indy Car 2 Member Site - The Sim Project - BB&B Track Editing SSCRA '97 OFFLINE RACING LEAGUE Chas Bornemann Brandon Reed Ted D. Scurlock NASCAR FEEL the THUNDER!!! _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/

This whole idea of a list of the 15 most influent people is a joke ! Hell, and I'm on the list. Don't know if that's good or bad though. Chas Bornemann -- Simulator ***world http://sim***world.simplenet.com/ Nascar 1 ** Nascar 2 ** Indy Car 2 Member Site - The Sim Project - BB&B Track Editing SSCRA '97 OFFLINE RACING LEAGUE Chas Bornemann Brandon Reed Ted D. Scurlock NASCAR FEEL the THUNDER!!! _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ > > For my new website comming in mid-july, I have a question that I would > > love to have people reply. > > What are, in your opinion, the 15 most influent person in our SimRacing > > community actually ??? > No-one has "power" in the sim-racing community, we all have the same one > voice against the wind. Any power which someone has comes from your > perception, and it's the power they have to get something done. What's > more, anyone can do it, but most don't. If you want to make your own IVGA > you can, you want to rival Earl Ma - you'd better be damn handy with the > paints, you want to be leader - you'd better come up with a strategy no-one > else has thought of! Whatever you want to do you can try, and if you do it > well you will earn people's respect and folks may listen to you - or they > may not. > The one thing you can't do is presume respect before it's earned like, just > for example, crowning yourself "head of r.a.s." when no such position > exists nor is likely to. If for whatever reason you want to be leader of > r.a.s., you'll need to find a better way of doing it than you've come up > with so far. *** might work - my minimum bribe level is 2x64Mb SDRAM > DIMMs, one each for Marc and I, to get Sim News backing your campaign. > Every politician knows you need to have bought the media to have any hope > of being elected ;-) > -- > Cheers! > John (SRN-Europe) > (Remove "NOSPAM" from address before replying...)

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> > I want in on that too, so he better make it three... =) > > -- > > John Wallace wrote in article > > k>... > > >If for whatever reason you want to be leader of > > >r.a.s., you'll need to find a better way of doing it than you've come > up > > >with so far. *** might work - my minimum bribe level is 2x64Mb > SDRAM > > >DIMMs, one each for Marc and I, to get Sim News backing your campaign. > Better make that four...otherwise forget my support. > -- > Mike's Nascar World > [link lost in import] > Stop on by, what can it hurt?

PFFFFHAHAHAHAH!!! ;-) ROTFLMAO But seriously I think you are all Ok for me being the Official leader of r.a.s. and also with the creation of the Sim-Racing Hall-of-Fame. But no bribing for all of you :) I do this website to make people realize that some guys spended many time in their life to make the SimRacing Community better. Also it will make more publicity to nominate, =more people in their website. Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) ________________________ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ SPEED- Public relations director SPEED- Cars, WC, BGN, Trucks, IROC, utilities and more... SPEED- http://www.sim-speed.com/ Flight Cadet Nien Numb, Gold squadron NSWL http://www.dpliv.com/dragon/Gold/index.html May the force be with you, always!! - *Excuse me for my poor English(I'm French speaking) * -

> PFFFFHAHAHAHAH!!! ;-) > ROTFLMAO > But seriously I think you are all Ok for me being the Official leader of > r.a.s. and also with the creation of the Sim-Racing Hall-of-Fame. Okay, now I gotta believe he's just putting us on. No-one can be this oblivious ........ can they????? Keith -- Think before you Spam... "By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited adverti***t to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation."

If you're on any list Chas, it must be bad... =) Best Regards, Marc

I do not endorse this rubbish. Marc J. Nelson

Thanks Marc, I'll take that as a compliment buddy <G> Chas

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> >Hell, and I'm on the list. Don't know if that's good or bad though. > If you're on any list Chas, it must be bad... =) > Best Regards, > Marc

-- Simulator ***world http://sim***world.simplenet.com/ Nascar 1 ** Nascar 2 ** Indy Car 2 Member Site - The Sim Project - BB&B Track Editing SSCRA '97 OFFLINE RACING LEAGUE Chas Bornemann Brandon Reed Ted D. Scurlock NASCAR FEEL the THUNDER!!! _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/

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>> PFFFFHAHAHAHAH!!! ;-) >> ROTFLMAO >> But seriously I think you are all Ok for me being the Official leader of >> r.a.s. and also with the creation of the Sim-Racing Hall-of-Fame. >Okay, now I gotta believe he's just putting us on. No-one can be this >oblivious ........ can they?????

This thing is getting quite amusing... :-D I think he's ROTFL for so many people reacting to his insane posts. Some people..... JoH =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= When everything else failed, we can still become im- mortal by making an enormous blunder.... John Kenneth Galbraith =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

How stupid can you be? Are you ignoring us? Hello? Hello??? HAPPYHAPPYHAPPY?????? JOYJOYJOY???????????? -- Dave Bowers

>But seriously I think you are all Ok for me being the Official leader of >r.a.s. and also with the creation of the Sim-Racing Hall-of-Fame. Francoise, em, WHY do you think this? Every message I have seen has either been indifference of outright rejection/ridicule, I've never seen anything supporting what you are trying to do. Give it up and start earning some respect. We all know, and everyone knows who those people are as well. A list is not required. You may believe the top 15 simracers are giving you until July 1st, but this simracer is giving you one more chance. The next post you make about this nonsense earns you a place in the "Bottom 15 simracers" list - it's called my kill-file and you will be no.1. Cheers! John ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John S. Wallace - Sim Racing News ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "F*&* he's quick!" - Prost's comment on Senna ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Thanks for the nod, John, which means more than being on any such list, which you probably noticed I'm not on (whereas one guy even gets TWO spots all to himself - so could he not even think of fif***?)... ;) Respect!? I'm still surprised Papy has yet to send any legal goons after him!!! Earl

Would ya'll just please let this thread die?

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> Firstly, when I heard I was on some sort of list I was curious but now > seeing what it's based on and who created it I want no part of it > whatsoever! > >But seriously I think you are all Ok for me being the Official leader of > >r.a.s. and also with the creation of the Sim-Racing Hall-of-Fame. But > >no bribing for all of you :) I do this website to make people realize > >that some guys spended many time in their life to make the SimRacing > >Community better. Also it will make more publicity to nominate, =more > >people in their website. > What in the name of God have you ever done to make Sim Racing > better?!?! > I've been active in r.a.s for nearly 2 years and have made some (I > hope) lifelong friends because of it. Heck, I remember when we used > to talk about racing and not the legalities of 0's and 1's. > People like John Wallace, Michael Carver, Eric Busch, Jan Kohl, Julian > Data, Tony Johns, Gerhard Lingenberg, Tom Hansen and countless others > deserve a lot more praise than you or I do for what they've done in > Sim Racing. > One person is not responsible for making Sim Racing what it is to day, > its been a joint effort by every one who ever showed in an interest in > it. > We wouldn't be able to do things like convert tracks from sim to sim > or have the hundreds of car sets available if we didn't all help each > other in the unselfish way most of us do. > And as for your contribution I can't see how you can justify yourself > having any leadership mantel considering the way you irresponsibly > proclaim to all and sundry that 'you have Indy and I will send it to > you'. > Jan and I actually stood there and put the case forward for having > Daytona to ISC on behalf of everyone in Sim Racing whilst under the > threat of severe legal action. > You might think your great, but in some small way you haven't given > anything to r.a.s but probably helped take away in the form of adding > ammunition to the case for Papyrus NOT getting the Indianapolis 500 > license back. > Some of the qualities of a leader are to earn respect from those > beneath him, inspire them, represent them, act responsibly and guide > them wisely. > I feel in your case "I'm their leader, which way did they go?" > applies. > If there every is a Sim Racing list of 'The Good and the Great' I > believe it should be in the form of an unnumbered, un ranked > alphabetical list of names of everyone who (even by posting a > courteous accurate answer to a question in r.a.s) has contributed to > Sim Racing. > It'll be a very long list and I certainly wouldn't mind being amongst > the names I feel are my Sim Racing colleagues and friends. > Consider yourself kill-listed. > Jed > The Pits > [link lost in import] > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Everybody has the ability of greatness in them. > But whilst many stand in the tunnel looking for > the light at the end, others stride down that > tunnel and light the ***y thing themselves. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Would ya'll just please let this thread die? Eric-- May I humbly suggest that if you want it to die (and we ALL do), the best way to go about it is to: A. Quit answering posts about it, and B. Quit quoting the entire text of the messages you don't want to read -- now we all get to read it twice. Just a thought... Bart

Hi John, Just put him in there. There's only so many chances you can give a guy and this one used up his quota many, many moons ago ;-) Cheers, Richard

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>> Would ya'll just please let this thread die? >Eric-- >May I humbly suggest that if you want it to die (and we ALL do), the >best way to go about it is to: >A. Quit answering posts about it, and >B. Quit quoting the entire text of the messages you don't want to read >-- now we all get to read it twice. >Just a thought... >Bart

then why do u answer

> then why do u answer gud kwestyun

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> > Would ya'll just please let this thread die? > Eric-- > May I humbly suggest that if you want it to die (and we ALL do), the > best way to go about it is to: > A. Quit answering posts about it, and > B. Quit quoting the entire text of the messages you don't want to read > -- now we all get to read it twice. > Just a thought... > Bart

YOU also might want to stop answering posts about it, and 4. Change the Subject name! -- Mike's Nascar World http://www.netins.net/showcase/mpete/nascar.html Stop on by, what can it hurt?

Mikey -- Is that better? Bart