IRL Indy 500

I know this is a sim newsgroup. But I just had to post a message regarding the Indy 500. After trying to watch the race for the last three days, I just finished watching the tape. What a joke! The race reminded me of some of the Kart races I've been in. What a bunch of amatures! They couldn't even get a decent race start. Even USAC didn't know what they were doing. Tony's idea of giving the low budget racer a chance to win is a farce. As evidenced by the big money team and experienced racers finishing one and two. The whole race weekend was a joke. I hope Tony gets the message. Let the big boys back in and use the IRL as a support league. Just my opinion, Karter

They couldn't even get a decent race start. Kind of like the CART US 500 last year, don't you think?

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> regarding the Indy 500. After trying to watch the race for the last > three days, I just finished watching the tape. What a joke! The race > reminded me of some of the Kart races I've been in. What a bunch of > amatures! They couldn't even get a decent race start. Even USAC > didn't know what they were doing. Tony's idea of giving the low > budget racer a chance to win is a farce. As evidenced by the big > money team and experienced racers finishing one and two. The whole > race weekend was a joke. I hope Tony gets the message. Let the big > boys back in and use the IRL as a support league. > Just my opinion, > Karter

..Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but you should do a little more research before ranting too long. Treadway is a pauper compared to the most destitute CART, or Kart it's all the same, owner. Compare this race historically to past races and you will see that it was similar in many many ways. The number of cars still running, cars on the lead lap, yellows, crashes.... The only thing that was somewhat dissimilar was the amount of competition between the leading cars. Only a handful of times historically did four or five drivers have a legitimate chance at winning the biggest prize in auto racing. Don't let your emotions over-shadow reality. This was one of the BEST 500's in quite some time!!

: > : They couldn't even get a decent race start. : : Kind of like the CART US 500 last year, don't you think? No, this year's Indy 500 wasn't nearly THAT bad!

I live within a half hour's drive of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, and if the size of the crowds this year were an accurate indication, a whole lot of people agree with you. Although no official figures were released by the IMS--they never are--all the expert observers in the media gauged the first day qualifying and race day crowds as the smallest they'd ever seen. I'm convinced most people are aware that Tony George's "reforms" are nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt to esablish himself as the "Bill France" of open wheeled American racing...with all the dictatorial powers France weided over NASCAR. But the arrogant Mr. George is just wasting his time, as he no doubt learned this month. I only hope his vanity destroy the 500 before someome with a little more sense can convince him to throw in the towel.

he should probably ask the FIA to run the Indy 500

Honestly, i respect the ability for indy drivers, but cmon,if i wanted to drive a toy go kart, i'd go do it, those aren't cars, they're toys. A car has fenders and bumpers and doors and a roof.....if you want real e***ment, GO NASCAR! ;) Just my "opinion" *stifled cackle* TrenT -- CatchMeIfU.........................Can

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> I know this is a sim newsgroup. But I just had to post a message > regarding the Indy 500. After trying to watch the race for the last > three days, I just finished watching the tape. What a joke! The race > reminded me of some of the Kart races I've been in. What a bunch of > amatures! They couldn't even get a decent race start. Even USAC > didn't know what they were doing. Tony's idea of giving the low > budget racer a chance to win is a farce. As evidenced by the big > money team and experienced racers finishing one and two. The whole > race weekend was a joke. I hope Tony gets the message. Let the big > boys back in and use the IRL as a support league. > Just my opinion, > Karterits about time you ass holes who know nothing about racing get off tonys

ass this is the usa and not thr ussr let every body have a turn at racing not jut the big ass holes who want to rule the world like HITLER and the RUSSANS.

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> newsgroup. But I just had to post a message > > regarding the Indy 500. After trying to watch the race for the > last > > three days, I just finished watching the tape. What a joke! The > race > > reminded me of some of the Kart races I've been in. What a bunch > of > > amatures! They couldn't even get a decent race start. Even USAC > > didn't know what they were doing. Tony's idea of giving the low > > budget racer a chance to win is a farce. As evidenced by the big > > money team and experienced racers finishing one and two. The > whole > > race weekend was a joke. I hope Tony gets the message. Let the > big > > boys back in and use the IRL as a support league. > > Just my opinion, > > Karter > ..Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but you should do a little > more > research before ranting too long. Treadway is a pauper compared to > the most > destitute CART, or Kart it's all the same, owner. Compare this race > historically > to past races and you will see that it was similar in many many > ways. The number of cars > still running, cars on the lead lap, yellows, crashes.... The only > thing that was > somewhat dissimilar was the amount of competition between the > leading cars. > Only a handful of times historically did four or five drivers have a > legitimate > chance at winning the biggest prize in auto racing. Don't let your > emotions over-shadow > reality. This was one of the BEST 500's in quite some time!!

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Opinion: One of the KEY differences is that when a CART driver dropped out/blew up it mattered to the racing field. Now, who cares if some no-name Joe Shmoe drops out (or wins).

I agree 100 percent. Make sure to voice your opinion everywhere. I did in the chat room at "Irace" with people that were there. Indy was not meant to be a dirt track. These are not sprint cars. I do like the normally aspirated engines, but they should quit taking away ground effects. Ask people who invnted the modern day indycar. Roger Penske did (I think he is an S.O.B., but so are most of the multi millionaires in the world). Ask the ignoramousses who brought the ground effects to indycars. If people wato race roadsters at indy start a new series. The greatest race in the world deserves the greatest drivers.

Just who are the greatest drivers other than al jr., michael andretti, bobby rahal???

Lets see, hiro matsushita drops out and all of cart cares????

(snip good stuff) How about Scott Pruett? Never mentioned but in passing. . Just does his job. Remember the last lap pass at Laguna Seca in the corkscrew by Zanardi for the win? Anybody remember seeing Pruett do the same thing a few seconds later to move up a position? regards, Gavel

You want to know the greatest racers in the world. Besides the ones you mentioned. Alex Zanardi, Jimmy Vasser, Paul Tracy, and Christian Fittipaldi are great drivers. Bryan Herta, Mo Gugelmin, Andre Ribeiro, and Adrian Fernandez are almost great drivers. Only Luyendyk, Goodyear, Lazier, Robby Gordon, Tony Stewart, and maybe Robbie Buhl stood a chance of winning the race the other day. Jeff Ward may also be a find. I would also like to see some of the formula one drivers trying to get in the race. Sure level the playing field, but lets see who is the best.

???? -- Bruce ---- "To be or not to be? Well, I'd rather 'be', if you don't mind!"

: I would also like to see some of the formula one drivers trying to get in : the race. Sure level the playing field, but lets see who is the best. In the real old days they used to. But I think the rules for F1 prohibit them from entering "competing" racing body's races. Otherwise they would lose their license to drive in F1. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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>I know this is a sim newsgroup. But I just had to post a message >regarding the Indy 500. After trying to watch the race for the last >three days, I just finished watching the tape. What a joke! The race >reminded me of some of the Kart races I've been in. What a bunch of >amatures! They couldn't even get a decent race start. Even USAC >didn't know what they were doing. Tony's idea of giving the low >budget racer a chance to win is a farce. As evidenced by the big >money team and experienced racers finishing one and two. The whole >race weekend was a joke. I hope Tony gets the message. Let the big >boys back in and use the IRL as a support league. >Just my opinion, >Karter

----------------------------- The real point is this: the IRL is not drawing fans and that means it's losing money at the gate. If it can't make budget, the IRL won't be around too long. The first qualifying day at Indy this year drew only 35,000 fans -- that's way down from the pre-IRL years. Granted the race went off two days late, on Tuesday, but the attendance was only 100,000. If you're wondering, IMS holds 300,000 and the crowd on Sunday (rain or no) was well below capacity, too. That was never the case in the days before the Indy Racing League. The fans aren't coming because Tony George's "vision" for open-wheel racing is not what they want. Ultimately, the fans will decide if the IRL makes it.

Which will explain why they aren't at Indy but are racing in F1. world). A touch of envy creeping through, perhaps? -- Bruce ---- "To be or not to be? Well, I'd rather 'be', if you don't mind!"

Amen to that and it cant happen soon enough. Indy has always been about speed and catch me if you can. Its not about 25 oldSLOWbile smallblocks

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> >I know this is a sim newsgroup. But I just had to post a message > >regarding the Indy 500. After trying to watch the race for the last > >three days, I just finished watching the tape. What a joke! The race > >reminded me of some of the Kart races I've been in. What a bunch of > >amatures! They couldn't even get a decent race start. Even USAC > >didn't know what they were doing. Tony's idea of giving the low > >budget racer a chance to win is a farce. As evidenced by the big > >money team and experienced racers finishing one and two. The whole > >race weekend was a joke. I hope Tony gets the message. Let the big > >boys back in and use the IRL as a support league. > >Just my opinion, > >Karter > ----------------------------- > The real point is this: the IRL is not drawing fans and that means > it's losing money at the gate. If it can't make budget, the IRL won't > be around too long.

<<regarding the Indy 500. After trying to watch the race for the last Couldn't agree more. And the real tragedy, as we saw last year, is that it's a DANGEROUS joke. I don't care one way or the other about Tony George, IMS, IRL vs. CART, or whether Roger Penske owns the other half of the world that Disney doesn't. What's scary is letting a bunch of inexperienced wall fodder into cars and tracks capable of WAY over 200mph. Nobody can convince me that the lower rungs of IRL aren't populated with teams whose only function is to make the fields bigger. CART has its share of gomers, too, but their numbers are probably a tenth of IRLs. <<Tony's idea of giving the low budget racer a chance to win is a farce.>> Exactly. This ain't 1968 (unfortunately); drivers are specialists in this day and age, and teams are, too. Mr. George's nostalgia for the days of "Dirt Track To Glory" is worse than an anachronism, it's a recipe for ongoing disaster. Sure, there used to be a time (or so we'd like to think) when Mickey Rooney could fire up the old "Fish Carburetor Special", held together by baling wire, chewing gum, and Good Old American Guts, and go out and snatch victory from the fiery jaws of defeat. Those days are LOOOOONG gone. And good riddance, when you look at the results of some of the races in those days -- Eddie Sachs, Dave MacDonald... what a waste. The truth of top of the line speedway racing today is that it takes a level of professionalism and experience, from the drivers, to the designers, mechanics, race officials, and, yes, even turn marshals, that has only been diluted by the split. And for what? To prove that Joe Nobody is quicker than Bill Nobody. No offense to those people driving in IRL, but this is just like the Olympics before they allowed professional athletes to compete. Olympic basketball? Everybody, even people who (like me) knew absolutely nothing about hoops knew damned well that the greatest Olympic b-ball team in history would get absolutely whomped by the lowest-scoring team in the NBA. Imagine if they tried it with American Football? The IRL (except for the very few real professionals who went with them) is amateur hour, pure and simple. The real difference between amateur basketball and amateur speedway racing is hitting a concrete wall nose on at 200mph. And that's a killer difference. Bart Brown

Hmmm... was it CART or IRL that had the first lap melee at the BogUS 500 last year?

What does this IRL vs CART ***have to do with this newsgroup. You people aren't driving in CART or the IRL. You probably can't even drive the simulation. If you want to talk about this stuff go to Irace they have a whole chat group to talk about this stuff. It's getting pretty old in here.

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> <<regarding the Indy 500. After trying to watch the race for the last > > >three days, I just finished watching the tape. What a joke!>> > Couldn't agree more. And the real tragedy, as we saw last year, is that > it's a DANGEROUS joke. I don't care one way or the other about Tony > George, IMS, IRL vs. CART, or whether Roger Penske owns the other half > of the world that Disney doesn't. What's scary is letting a bunch of > inexperienced wall fodder into cars and tracks capable of WAY over > 200mph.

Scott Brayton wasn't exactly a rank amateur, and it's not at all clear to me that he would have survived that wreck in a CART car anymore than he didn't in an IRL car. The IRL certainly has it's problems, but Brayton's accident isn't a good example of them. Motorsports is a dangerous business, it always has been, it probably always will be, and it almost certainly always should be (because if we neuter it in the name of making it completely vanilla pudding safe, it won't be a sport, but a 2.5 mph parade of cars with 5 mph bumpers on them). ---Jim