POD or MotoRacer or F1 ?

Regardless what one thinks of Pod or F1. Motoracer is worth buying, especially if you with it's internet/networking capabilities. Q.B.M.

Get Motoracer its a very nice and funny little game! /Tobbe

Oh man .. they all rock *** my system. Pod is SILKY smooth, graphics and the car physics rock .. its not a 'hyper speed' race game, the speed, acceleration, power etc of the cars is more realistic .. and new tracks are being released for it (plus a reverse mode for all tracks). Motoracer is super fast and smooth, easy to control with a joystick and just plain FUN!! F1 is great on my system .. but others seem to have problems with it. I'd get a demo copy and try it before you buy it. POD will rock multi player, I've not tried it yet .. I would recommend POD and Moto for sure. If you have a fast machine you cant go wrong. Keep in mind I have a p200mmx with 3DFX card. Peace. KrisPY

Forgot to tell ya . you can download the POD demo from UBIsoft web page .. I think its www.ubisoft.com .. not for sure though. KrisPY

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> >Oh, forgot to ask: in what way are the POD car physics > >_completely_ unrealistic? > In the way they bonce around like weightless litle pinball machine > balls. Why not give an example or a situation where your car bounced around like "weightless little pinball machine balls." In my experience of playing the demo, I thought the cars felt really heavy. My complaint with an overall pretty fun game was that the turning was a bit unrealistic. Meaning I could turn on a dime at 135 mph (a full 90 degree turn). Which basically made braking useless. You'd go full speed until you had to turn, and then you turned. Carmaggeddon's physics are not 1000 times better than POD's because they're not all that different. Same arcadey lack of physics feeling. I'm sorry, but the only person not saying much here is you. -che

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> >Yes it has both TCP/IP and IPX protocols, > That's a start but does it actually WORK on the Internet? Has anyone > tried it? (I'm buying it anyway but I'd really like multiplay and I > don't have access to a LAN). > Joe

Moto Racer is a lot of fun on the internet. Meet other Moto Racers by going to #motoracer on any EFnet IRC. Unlike XvT, Moto Racer actually plays really well in 2-4 players on the internet. I've been having a blast. -che

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>>Which one is a better game ? >>Which one worth buying ? >MotoRacer is INCREDIBLE if you have a good 3d card, especially 3dfx. >BETTER and faster graphics than any arcade motorcycle game I've >played. >POD is the worst racer ever made, avoid it like the plague. I'm still >trying to figure out how they made a game that has both an extremely >high frame rate and absolutely NO sensation of speed. It really >stinks, next to POD even the dog NFS 2 looks good. >Joe McGinn >=================================================== >Author of Inside LotusScript, available August 1997 >http://www.browsebooks.com/McGinn/ >===================================================

He brings up a good point, and it should help you decide. POD doesn't give the sense of speed because your not going that fast. Its more of a driving skill game, with realistic physics. You can really 'look ahead' in POD, as you do in real driving, as the tracks graphics are sooo smooth and well drawn. You can't go full throttle all the way, there are shortcuts, multiple paths ..etc. I LOVE POD myself, but I also enjoy Moto Racer. Moto Racer is the 'fastest' game I have ever played, but its one where you can go full throttle most of the way once you learn the tracks. Its replay value is less than POD, as new tracks and cars are released for POD monthly. They are so different I would recommend both :) If you can't get both pick which type you like the best .. speed and little skill, or less speed and a bit more skill. peace. KrisPY

>Which one is a better game ? >Which one worth buying ? MotoRacer is INCREDIBLE if you have a good 3d card, especially 3dfx. BETTER and faster graphics than any arcade motorcycle game I've played. POD is the worst racer ever made, avoid it like the plague. I'm still trying to figure out how they made a game that has both an extremely high frame rate and absolutely NO sensation of speed. It really stinks, next to POD even the dog NFS 2 looks good. Joe McGinn =================================================== Author of Inside LotusScript, available August 1997 http://www.browsebooks.com/McGinn/ ===================================================

>Forgot to tell ya . you can download the POD demo from UBIsoft web >page .. I think its www.ubisoft.com .. not for sure though. Does Moto Racer multiplay work on the net? I haven't seen an answer to this question yet. Joe McGinn =================================================== Author of Inside LotusScript, available August 1997 http://www.browsebooks.com/McGinn/ ===================================================

>Oh man .. they all rock *** my system. Pod is SILKY smooth, >graphics and the car physics rock .. its not a 'hyper speed' race >game, the speed, acceleration, power etc of the cars is more realistic You gotta be bullshitting me ... POD car physics are COMPLETELY unrealistic, plus it has no sensation of speed (despite the high frame rate). It is the worst racer of all time, and that's not a statement I make lightly (it had some good competition for this title from NFS 2, but even that dog has more to recommend it than POD). Agreed. Joe McGinn =================================================== Author of Inside LotusScript, available August 1997 http://www.browsebooks.com/McGinn/ ===================================================

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> > Which one is a better game ? > > Which one worth buying ? > Regardless what one thinks of Pod or F1. Motoracer is worth buying, especially > if you with it's internet/networking capabilities. > Q.B.M.

I was wondering where I could download Motoracer. Thanks, Rob

DO NOT GET POD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Some time when I have an hour I will list all the bugs and problems with the game. Multiplay is the worst I have ever seen. I mean the worse. Real Bad. The game is OK for single play...if you like chasing ghosts around the track ten feet above the other cars with the 3DFX. The AI is just bump and grind....Blows. Do not get this game.

R: Yes it has both TCP/IP and IPX protocols, Q.B.M.

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> Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video,rec.autos.simulators,alt.games.upcoming-3d > Subject: Re: POD or MotoRacer or F1 ? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Lines: 13 > Organization: The Great One > X-Client-Port: 1964 > X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) > X-Nntp-Posting-Host: oasis.idirect.com > Date: 22 May 97 02:24:21 UTC > Xref: news1.neo.lrun.com comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action:218306 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video:143604 rec.autos.simulators:63377 alt.games.upcoming-3d:783 > > > Which one is a better game ? > > > Which one worth buying ? > > Regardless what one thinks of Pod or F1. Motoracer is worth buying,

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> > if you with it's internet/networking capabilities. > > Q.B.M. > I was wondering where I could download Motoracer. > Thanks, Rob

R: It's all around 3d web pages. Try http://hardware.3dreview.com/3dfx/ It's Operation Voodoo which I feel is the best 3dfx page. But you can get MR there, they also have a very fast OC3 server.

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>:POD is the worst racer ever made, avoid it like the plague. I'm still >I've grown to hate these "avoid it like plague", "worst racer >ever made" etc. posts. People have said >it both about POD and F1, yet LOTS of people seem to like it. >So, apparently POD is not "the worst racer ever made", if so many >people actually like it and play it.

Pod is one of the worst racers ever made. Nobody would have paid attention to it if it weren't for MMX and 3D cards support.

: it, the way you drive with two tires after partly hitting : a slope etc.), it appears to behave rather realistically. : You have to admit, though, that even though the frame rate of NFS2 is poor, its physics are unmatched. You can even see shock absorber reactions on the car's tires (in replay and cam views). And one thing that bothers me a bit about POD is the sound. Up at the starting line, the car sounds like it has a 427 Hemi under the hood (GREAT!) But when you take off, the engine sounds degrade to that of a Hyunday Excell (YUK!!) Rolando.

> And one thing that bothers me a bit about POD is the sound. Up at the > starting line, the car sounds like it has a 427 Hemi under the hood > (GREAT!) But when you take off, the engine sounds degrade to that of a > Hyunday Excell (YUK!!) > Rolando. R: That had to be the first thing I noticed with the demo. If only it could keep that great hemi rev. As in moto-racer with the dirt bike, when ideling at certain points it actual sounds like a dirt bike. To bad it can't sustain that. It must be down right impossible to get a true car sound for a game. Maybe we need to put a few million in technology to get this problemed resolved. Q.B.M.

>>Which one is a better game ? >>Which one worth buying ? I got a copy of POD with my new MMX machine, it's supposed to but doesn't do multiplayer, though it pretends it'll upgrade itself when connected to their WWWebsite. Connecting to their WWWebsite results in upgrading the downloader but no further action. I don't have time for this, it goes in the discard pile. -- #define NII Information SuperCollider

>Yes it has both TCP/IP and IPX protocols, That's a start but does it actually WORK on the Internet? Has anyone tried it? (I'm buying it anyway but I'd really like multiplay and I don't have access to a LAN). Joe

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> :POD is the worst racer ever made, avoid it like the plague. I'm still > I've grown to hate these "avoid it like plague", "worst racer > ever made" etc. posts. People have said > it both about POD and F1, yet LOTS of people seem to like it. > So, apparently POD is not "the worst racer ever made", if so many > people actually like it and play it. > I personally like POD. Hey, I like Moto Racer as well! > :trying to figure out how they made a game that has both an extremely > :high frame rate and absolutely NO sensation of speed. It really > Maybe you should try to "cockpit view". If that doesn't have enough > "sense of speed", I don't know what does. > Furthermore, is the "sense of speed" really ALL that counts in > a racer? Is there something wrong with the handling of the car > in POD? Do the graphics stutter? Those are what are much more > important to me personally. > Monster Truck Madness has even a worse "sense of speed" than POD > in outside views, yet many people (including me) like MTM > as well. > :stinks, next to POD even the dog NFS 2 looks good. > Uh oh... POD has fast and great looking (albeit a bit too garish) > and fast graphics, and good control, NFS2 does not.

OK, so it's a racing-lite game. But damn, the game is smooth, especially with 3D acceleration. When I first saw this, I thought it was an FMV! But then, the game is LITE. Clee

I like POD myself. It has great graphics. I think a lot of people here are looking for simulator type games, POD is an arcade type game and is fun to play with arcade quality graphics. I like both arcade and simulator racing games. Nascar II is the best simulator racing game in my opinion and would be great in a 3dfx version.

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> DO NOT GET POD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Some time when I have an hour I will list all the bugs and problems with > the game. > Multiplay is the worst I have ever seen. I mean the worse. Real Bad. > The game is OK for single play...if you like chasing ghosts around the > track ten feet above the other cars with the 3DFX. > The AI is just bump and grind....Blows. > Do not get this game. > > Which one is a better game ? > > Which one worth buying ?

:POD is the worst racer ever made, avoid it like the plague. I'm still I've grown to hate these "avoid it like plague", "worst racer ever made" etc. posts. People have said it both about POD and F1, yet LOTS of people seem to like it. So, apparently POD is not "the worst racer ever made", if so many people actually like it and play it. I personally like POD. Hey, I like Moto Racer as well! :trying to figure out how they made a game that has both an extremely :high frame rate and absolutely NO sensation of speed. It really Maybe you should try to "cockpit view". If that doesn't have enough "sense of speed", I don't know what does. Furthermore, is the "sense of speed" really ALL that counts in a racer? Is there something wrong with the handling of the car in POD? Do the graphics stutter? Those are what are much more important to me personally. Monster Truck Madness has even a worse "sense of speed" than POD in outside views, yet many people (including me) like MTM as well. :stinks, next to POD even the dog NFS 2 looks good. Uh oh... POD has fast and great looking (albeit a bit too garish) and fast graphics, and good control, NFS2 does not.

:You gotta be bullshitting me ... POD car physics are COMPLETELY :unrealistic, plus it has no sensation of speed (despite the high frame :rate). It is the worst racer of all time, and that's not a statement I :make lightly (it had some good competition for this title from NFS 2, If it really is "the worst racer ever made", how come so many people actually play it and like it? Only because the only thing you care about in a racer is this "sense of speed" doesn't mean everyone does. Furthermmore, apparently you haven't tried the "cockpit mode" in POD at all. The sense of speed seems very good in it. :>Motoracer is super fast and smooth, easy to control with a joystick :>and just plain FUN!! : :Agreed. Here, I'll play your game: "WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?! Moto Racer has that AWFUL pop up, which easily makes it the worst racing game ever made, and which will be ever made! And you can sometimes see the scenery through the walls, and the 2D bitmap in the horizon doesn't tilt with you! Awful! Nobody can like this dog because of those definite shortcomings!!!". Now that wasn't hard, was it? ;^)

:You gotta be bullshitting me ... POD car physics are COMPLETELY :unrealistic, plus it has no sensation of speed (despite the high frame Oh, forgot to ask: in what way are the POD car physics _completely_ unrealistic? Judging by how the environment affects your car (the way you drop from an edge if you don't quite make it, the way you drive with two tires after partly hitting a slope etc.), it appears to behave rather realistically. In fact, reminds me of the Carmageddon demo, which has gotten lots of praise due to its "realistic physics".

>:You gotta be bullshitting me ... POD car physics are COMPLETELY >:unrealistic, plus it has no sensation of speed (despite the high frame >Oh, forgot to ask: in what way are the POD car physics >_completely_ unrealistic? In the way they bonce around like weightless litle pinball machine balls. Carmaggeddon is an arcader too not a sim, but it's true it's physics and driving model are 1000 times better than POD (which isn't saying much I'll grant you!). Joe McGinn =================================================== Author of Inside LotusScript, available August 1997 http://www.browsebooks.com/McGinn/ ===================================================

>I like POD myself. It has great graphics. I think a lot of people here >are looking for simulator type games, POD is an arcade type game and is fun >to play with arcade quality graphics. I like both arcade and simulator >racing games. I actually prefer arcade racers myself, but I absolutely loathed POD. Agreed, though I don't think it's going to happen. Joe McGinn =================================================== Author of Inside LotusScript, available August 1997 http://www.browsebooks.com/McGinn/ ===================================================

But the NFS 1 cars felt more real. The driving model in NFS 2 somehow got worse. Joe McGinn =================================================== Author of Inside LotusScript, available August 1997 http://www.browsebooks.com/McGinn/ ===================================================

>If it really is "the worst racer ever made", how come so many people >actually play it and like it? I dunno, they watch too much TV maybe? An arcade racer isn't supposed to provide a sensaion of speed? Total junk. Joe McGinn =================================================== Author of Inside LotusScript, available August 1997 http://www.browsebooks.com/McGinn/ ===================================================

>:POD is the worst racer ever made, avoid it like the plague. I'm still >I've grown to hate these "avoid it like plague", "worst racer >ever made" etc. posts. But it really is. I own or have owned just about every arcade and sim racer that's been published on the PC. I'm ***ed to them, I buy them all. And I've never been as disappointed with a racer as I was with POD. It was just so bad, I think it's the first racer I've ever owned that I didn't even try all the tracks. I tried about half of them and then deleted the piece of ***from my hard-drive, sold id for $25 and counted myself lucky that I got that for it. Too late, I got rid of it - maybe if the game has included a manual or even keyboard chart that contained this information it would have helped. It is an essential requirement in an ARCADE racer. Without it little else matters. Not if you like driving a pinball machine ball. I was hoping for CARS myself. A high frame-rate is meaningless if it doesn't translate into a feeling of speed or at least good control over the cars. A BIT garish? That's an understatement. That's another thing that bothered me about POD - after reading about how great it looked I couldn't believe how downright UGLY it was. Joe McGinn =================================================== Author of Inside LotusScript, available August 1997 http://www.browsebooks.com/McGinn/ ===================================================

With a 3dfx: Moto Racer Without a 3dfx: none Moto Racer: Bombastic P.O.D.: Shit F1:It was on Playstation shit, it is on PC shit. Even on a 3dfx.

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>:You gotta be bullshitting me ... POD car physics are COMPLETELY >:unrealistic, plus it has no sensation of speed (despite the high frame >Oh, forgot to ask: in what way are the POD car physics >_completely_ unrealistic? Judging by how the environment affects >your car (the way you drop from an edge if you don't quite make >it, the way you drive with two tires after partly hitting >a slope etc.), it appears to behave rather realistically. >In fact, reminds me of the Carmageddon demo, which has gotten >lots of praise due to its "realistic physics".

This is one way of discirbing the cars in POD ((( They look like skate boards period....))) flat and movement is so unrealistic. I'd prefer NFS II or Motor racing GP or even RAC Rally for "realistic" just my 2 cents. Elie. just to stop Spammers ;-)

> racing games. Nascar II is the best simulator racing game in my opinion > and would be great in a 3dfx version. Hey great idea! Nascar2 on 3dfx. Hell someone should go over to the 3dfx newsgroup and suggest it:) -- Rob Dunlop / Picasso ***************************************************************** *** Minerva666 for multiplayer Descent2 *** * Animated textures, horror theme. Needs D2 version1.2 * * Get it here (thanks Toby) - http://www.salina.net/tg/descent/ * *****************************************************************

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> > And one thing that bothers me a bit about POD is the sound. Up at the > > starting line, the car sounds like it has a 427 Hemi under the hood > > (GREAT!) But when you take off, the engine sounds degrade to that of a > > Hyunday Excell (YUK!!) > > Rolando. > R: > That had to be the first thing I noticed with the demo. If only it could keep > that great hemi rev. > As in moto-racer with the dirt bike, when ideling at certain points it actual > sounds like a dirt bike. To bad it can't sustain that. It must be down right > impossible to get a true car sound for a game. Maybe we need to put a few > million in technology to get this problemed resolved. > Q.B.M.

Papy got it resolved, my friend.

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>>Yes it has both TCP/IP and IPX protocols, >That's a start but does it actually WORK on the Internet? Has anyone >tried it? (I'm buying it anyway but I'd really like multiplay and I >don't have access to a LAN). >Joe

I have tried it with a friend of mine and it worked great. We are both using 28,8s and the same ISP, but not the same dial up server because he live in a town 400 km from me. We use to try new games that supports TCP/IP and Motoracer has to be one of the actiongame that works best so far. Next thing will be to try play more than two, but I think that is a dream when all are using 28,8s . Thomas

Hi. Where i can get a demo copy to download ? cu Uwe

>>Which one is a better game ? >>Which one worth buying ? >MotoRacer is INCREDIBLE if you have a good 3d card, especially 3dfx. >BETTER and faster graphics than any arcade motorcycle game I've >played. Motoracer blows! Those kiddy colors are damn irritating, the bikes look stupid and the drivers look like those lame characters in *** gladiators. Avoid it. POD rocks! If it wasn't for the stupid looking cars (why no normal cars like in nfs2?) it would be my favorite racing game. You kidding? NFS2 is my #1 racing game. Voodoo support would be nice, but i still like it better than all voodoo games together. I play it on a p6-200, with all settings set to maximum, and as far as i can tell fps never drop below 30. The only thing that annoys me in nfs2 is the 'intelligence' of the other drivers in tournament mode: they would rather run into you and crash themselves than letting you pass them by. Oh well... -- Jeroen H. Komen - The Netherlands - [link lost in import: /~nbk94] 'You say why? I say why bother.' (c) Natural Born Killers. 'Tis indeed a miracle, one must feel, that two such heavenly creatures are real.' (c) Heavenly Creatures.

>I have tried it with a friend of mine and it worked great. >We are both using 28,8s and the same ISP, but not the same dial up server >because he live in a town 400 km from me. >We use to try new games that supports TCP/IP and Motoracer has to be one of >the actiongame that works best so far. Next thing will be to try play more >than two, but I think that is a dream when all are using 28,8s . Great, thanks for the info! Joe

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>I have tried it with a friend of mine and it worked great. >We are both using 28,8s and the same ISP, but not the same dial up server >because he live in a town 400 km from me. >We use to try new games that supports TCP/IP and Motoracer has to be one of >the actiongame that works best so far. Next thing will be to try play more >than two, but I think that is a dream when all are using 28,8s . >Thomas

I've been in a three player TCP/IP Moto Racer race and it was very good -- till we switched to another player as host. John Burrowes.

Another opinion - MotoRacer is _really_ good fun, with physics which pay homage to the real thing while maintaining arcade playability, and fantastic multi-player performance. The only problem is that the margin for error becomes tiny - in our race everyone is racing virtually perfect, with laptimes of around 38s on Speed Bay. Essentially that means that one mistake dumps you out of the race, which is a bit of a bummer just trying not to make a mistake. There's no high-risk possibility to gain time or catch-up mode which arcade racing usually needs. POD is far and away and without a shadow of a doubt the worst racing game I have ever played. A serious lack of impression of speed, dull tracks, uninvolving physics, pinball like car properties, I even deleted the free demo. That's playing it with a 3dFX card. I personally would avoid this at all costs. Second only to POD, NFS2 seems to be one huge FMV nightmare. Driving involvement falls far short of NFS1, and new cars and clothes do not make up for it. Of the current crop of arcade racers, Moto Race is most fun, with "F1" second. That's my opinion, primarily based upon how much fun they are to drive. -- Cheers! John (SRN-Europe) (Remove "NOSPAM" from address before replying...)

> >Maybe you should try to "cockpit view". If that doesn't have enough > >"sense of speed", I don't know what does. > Too late, I got rid of it - maybe if the game has included a manual or > even keyboard chart that contained this information it would have > helped. We'll he is right, if you switch to the***pit view you definitely get more of a sense of speed with POD. I think its an excellent game. Although going up a hill shouldn't be bogging down the car like it does. I also would have preferred less futuristic looking racing cars.

>Why not give an example or a situation where your car bounced around >like "weightless little pinball machine balls." OK: Start a POD race. Drive a car. That's it. Maybe one problem was the game was designed for a joystick or gamepad, and I was using a driving wheel. For a racing game you'd think they'd test a wheel. Joe McGinn =================================================== Author of Inside LotusScript, available August 1997 http://www.browsebooks.com/McGinn/ ===================================================

OK: Please don't buy my book. It is only intended for people with IQs above 80 or so, so I don't think you'd enjoy it. Joe McGinn =================================================== Author of Inside LotusScript, available August 1997 http://www.browsebooks.com/McGinn/ ===================================================

>POD is far and away and without a shadow of a doubt the worst racing game I >have ever played. A serious lack of impression of speed, dull tracks, >uninvolving physics, pinball like car properties, I even deleted the free >demo. That's playing it with a 3dFX card. I personally would avoid this at >all costs. That was exactly my reaction to POD. Joe McGinn =================================================== Author of Inside LotusScript, available August 1997 http://www.browsebooks.com/McGinn/ ===================================================

> > Your intelligence shines Joe .. remind me NOT to buy your book. > OK: Please don't buy my book. It is only intended for people with IQs > above 80 or so, so I don't think you'd enjoy it. Boy, with this sort of advertising, Joe, you just can't go wrong!

On Fri, 23 May 1997 12:24:50 GMT, "John Wallace"

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>POD is far and away and without a shadow of a doubt the worst racing game I >have ever played. A serious lack of impression of speed, dull tracks, >uninvolving physics, pinball like car properties, I even deleted the free >demo. That's playing it with a 3dFX card. I personally would avoid this at >all costs. >Cheers! >John (SRN-Europe)

Hello John, nice to bump into you again so to speak! Hehe, you got a spam killer too? Don't work do they? Totally agree with your comments about POD, and I was beginning to think I was the only one who disliked this game. I bought it, installed it and deleted it the same day. Motoracer however, now this is a game I could get *seriously* ***ed to. In fact it's probably saved me money on my phone bill, every time the PC gets switched on now I'll have 'just a quick game' (it never is) of Motoracer instead of spending hours playing internet Quake! A special mention must go also to Carmageddon too. Never has a demo spent so long on my HD, I've played it to death but I still keep going back for more! -- Deek, Edinburgh, Scotland. I gotta get a new spam killer, this one's shit!

Heh. A book written about a LOTUS product. That'll be a hot seller! Lotus' share of the Office Suite market (where LotusScript is, right?) is about what, 1 percent? Jeff >> > Your intelligence shines Joe .. remind me NOT to buy your book. >> OK: Please don't buy my book. It is only intended for people with IQs >> above 80 or so, so I don't think you'd enjoy it. > Boy, with this sort of advertising, Joe, you just can't go wrong!

>Heh. A book written about a LOTUS product. That'll be a hot seller! Lotus' >share of the Office Suite market (where LotusScript is, right?) is about >what, 1 percent? The book is about Lotus Notes. It is the *** product in the groupware market. It has nothing to do with Office Suites. There are over 11 milion Lotus Notes users, currently growing at a rate of 2 million users per quarter (one of the big areas of growth is using Notes to host dynamic world wide web sites). Joe McGinn =================================================== Author of Inside LotusScript, available August 1997 http://www.browsebooks.com/McGinn/ ===================================================

Sorry, but I have no idea what the future engines sound. ;-) Heck, I don't even know what kind of fuel they use! Maybe the POD cars are new nuclear powered, silent engines?

>>I've grown to hate these "avoid it like plague", "worst racer >>ever made" etc. posts. >But it really is. That's your opinion. Many people actually like POD, so apparently it isn't the "worst arcade racer ever". You like Cruisin' USA better? You like Megarace better? To each his own. I've had lots of racers where I haven't played all the tracks. Nascar for one. So I guess Nascar is the worst racing game ever then. Hey, come to think of it, I haven't played all the tracks in Moto Racer either! ;^) For some reason the European version did have a hardbound manual. Are you sure there were no README-files or anything? Many people still love Monster Truck Madness and Nascar. Nascar is not an "arcade racer", but I'd think that your requirement of "sense of speed" applies to all racing games, including sims. Yes, I find the sense of speed in POD better than in the original Nascar Racing by Papyrus. Seems to me you were playing a different game than I was. Do the cars bounce off the walls like a pinball ball, or what do you mean? Didn't see that myself in POD. Have you tried real life mini cart racing (or whatever it is called)? The handling of the POD cars resemble it a lot in my opinion. For instance, you can try to take the corners in full speed, but that may make your car spin, just like in POD. Or if another "car" hits you from behind from an angle, you most probably spin, just like in POD. And the sense of speed in POD is actually better than in real life mini cart racing. ;^) POD has both IMO. Try the***pit view.

>>Oh, forgot to ask: in what way are the POD car physics >>_completely_ unrealistic? >In the way they bonce around like weightless litle pinball machine >balls. Could you give some examples of this? Are you saying that the cars e.g. bounce off the walls like a pinball? I've never seen this happen in POD.

>Pod is one of the worst racers ever made. Nobody would have paid >attention to it if it weren't for MMX and 3D cards support. Same can be said about Moto Racer, then. ;^)

>>Why not give an example or a situation where your car bounced around >>like "weightless little pinball machine balls." >OK: Start a POD race. Drive a car. That's it. Tried that. Still didn't see it bouncing off the walls like a pinball machine ball. Usually it stopped if I hit the walls. I wonder how a real car would behave in a similar situation? ;^) Wrong. There is an option for the driving wheel, which feels quite different to the joystick option. One difference was that with the wheel there basically seems to be no "dead zone" (just like your car most probably doesn't have one), while with a joystick there is a dead zone to help you drive straight more easily when needed.

>That's your opinion. Many people actually like POD, so apparently it >isn't the "worst arcade racer ever". You like Cruisin' USA better? You >like Megarace better? To each his own. It's interesting that you mention Megarace - POD is basically Megarace 2. In fact, Megarace is the one racer I have played that is as bad as POD, for the same reasons that POD is bad. I dunno, I don't usually go crounging around the hard-drive to find out basic interface information about a game. It's always come with the game before. Yes, and of the other cars, which were also bouncing around. It seemed impossible to get any RACING started. Joe

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>>Maybe one problem was the game was designed for a joystick or gamepad, >>and I was using a driving wheel. For a racing game you'd think they'd >>test a wheel. >Wrong. There is an option for the driving wheel, which feels quite >different to the joystick option. One difference was that with the >wheel there basically seems to be no "dead zone" (just like your car >most probably doesn't have one), while with a joystick there is a dead >zone to help you drive straight more easily when needed.

Well, there wheel support suck then. It didn't feel even remotely like a real car. Joe

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> >That's your opinion. Many people actually like POD, so apparently it > >isn't the "worst arcade racer ever". You like Cruisin' USA better? You > >like Megarace better? To each his own. > It's interesting that you mention Megarace - POD is basically Megarace > 2. In fact, Megarace is the one racer I have played that is as bad as > POD, for the same reasons that POD is bad.

I've seen Megarace 2 and I think POD is very different from it. The tracks in Megarace 2 are pre-rendered. So the tracks are actually playbacks only. In POD, however, the tracks are fully 3D. This makes a difference because in Megarace 2 the player is very much limited and cannot look at the tracks freely. IMO the physics model in POD is good enough for an arcade racer. The cars climb up the wall if it's not too steep and also flip over if they pass a slope with two wheels on the same side.

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>>That's your opinion. Many people actually like POD, so apparently it >>isn't the "worst arcade racer ever". You like Cruisin' USA better? You >>like Megarace better? To each his own. >It's interesting that you mention Megarace - POD is basically Megarace >2. In fact, Megarace is the one racer I have played that is as bad as >POD, for the same reasons that POD is bad.

To this day I will still say that Megarace 2 is one of the best racers out there (although Megarace 1 sucked)... Its gorgeous (who cares if its on rails, ALL racers are that wont let you go off the track), and it plays fast even on low-end machines at a higher than 320x200 res. Andy K.

> I like POD myself. It has great graphics. I think a lot of people here > are looking for simulator type games, POD is an arcade type game and is fun > to play with arcade quality graphics. I like both arcade and simulator > racing games. Nascar II is the best simulator racing game in my opinion > and would be great in a 3dfx version. Exacally.....POD is an ARCADE game...not a sim, so don't judge it as a sim. Sheash! ;) And it is a very good arcade game too. I am...i guess one of the few that really like the game. I have played the demo alot, and now am seriously considering buying it. Although I have one complaint... the engine sound is preaty bad. When your at the starting line it sounds great (like their is a 12-cylinder turbo somthing under the hood.....muhahaha) but once you get going it sounds like an electric car. I will admit I am being critical, but it would have been nice to have a nice engine sample. Nascar is the only game I have played that had good engine sample (really realisitic to be honest). All the other car sims I have played have the same electricish engine noise. Oh well, that was my couple o cents. Regards, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Evan Jones "Death is Light as a Feather, Carleton University Duty is Heavier than a Mountain." al'Lan Mandragoran, Book 2 of The Wheel of Time. ----------------------------------------------------------------------

Joe, you and John have actually agreed! I'm in shock! Not sure what the future holds! :) Pete

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> >POD is far and away and without a shadow of a doubt the worst racing game I > >have ever played. A serious lack of impression of speed, dull tracks, > >uninvolving physics, pinball like car properties, I even deleted the free > >demo. That's playing it with a 3dFX card. I personally would avoid this at > >all costs. > That was exactly my reaction to POD. > Joe McGinn > =================================================== > Author of Inside LotusScript, available August 1997 > http://www.browsebooks.com/McGinn/ > ===================================================

>Joe, you and John have actually agreed! I'm in shock! Not sure >what the future holds! :) Oh, nothing much ... now that we've solved the world's most critical issues, no one will ever flame anyone on the net again, war will become obsolete, and all software will support 3dfx OOTB. ;-) Joe McGinn =================================================== Author of Inside LotusScript, available August 1997 http://www.browsebooks.com/McGinn/ ===================================================

Get Moto Race and Monster Truck Madness. Both of the games r0X in multiplay via Kali (www.kali.net) and are phun 2 play. POD is OK, alot of style (ie grafiX) but not much substance

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> >>I've grown to hate these "avoid it like plague", "worst racer > >>ever made" etc. posts. > >But it really is. > That's your opinion. Many people actually like POD, so apparently it > isn't the "worst arcade racer ever". You like Cruisin' USA better? You > like Megarace better? To each his own. > >racer that's been published on the PC. I'm ***ed to them, I buy > >them all. And I've never been as disappointed with a racer as I was > >with POD. It was just so bad, I think it's the first racer I've ever > >owned that I didn't even try all the tracks. I tried about half of > I've had lots of racers where I haven't played all the tracks. Nascar > for one. So I guess Nascar is the worst racing game ever then. Hey, > come to think of it, I haven't played all the tracks in Moto Racer > either! ;^) > >>Maybe you should try to "cockpit view". If that doesn't have enough > >>"sense of speed", I don't know what does. > >Too late, I got rid of it - maybe if the game has included a manual or > >even keyboard chart that contained this information it would have > >helped. > For some reason the European version did have a hardbound manual. > Are you sure there were no README-files or anything? > >>Furthermore, is the "sense of speed" really ALL that counts in > >>a racer? > >It is an essential requirement in an ARCADE racer. Without it little > >else matters. > Many people still love Monster Truck Madness and Nascar. Nascar is not > an "arcade racer", but I'd think that your requirement of "sense of > speed" applies to all racing games, including sims. Yes, I find the > sense of speed in POD better than in the original Nascar Racing by > Papyrus. > >>Is there something wrong with the handling of the car > >>in POD? > >Not if you like driving a pinball machine ball. I was hoping for CARS > >myself. > Seems to me you were playing a different game than I was. Do the cars > bounce off the walls like a pinball ball, or what do you mean? Didn't > see that myself in POD. > Have you tried real life mini cart racing (or whatever it is called)? > The handling of the POD cars resemble it a lot in my opinion. > For instance, you can try to take the corners in full speed, but that > may make your car spin, just like in POD. Or if another "car" hits you > from behind from an angle, you most probably spin, just like in POD. > And the sense of speed in POD is actually better than in real life mini > cart racing. ;^) > >A high frame-rate is meaningless if it doesn't translate into a > >feeling of speed or at least good control over the cars. > POD has both IMO. Try the***pit view.

Hey ! i agree with the below mentioned***PIT view as it was called . . Power F1 is totally AMAZINGLY FAST to me when i can see out just over the dashboard . . Have a totally new awe-inspired respect for those real-life race car drivers ! --- catamount

MotoRacer is by far the best. POD is the worst racing game I have ever played. WIth my Screamin 3D card, MotoRacer looks awesome and runs very fast. On the same system, POD crawls and looks wrotten. I have not played F1 yet, but I would recommend MotoRacer to everybody looking for a great racing game.

I don't think Pod supports the Rendition chip (?), which may explain why it crawls. It does support the 3dfx, and runs fast if you've got one for sure, but I agree with you that it looks and plays rotten. During the brief time I had it loaded and played it, I kept asking myself, "Why?". Not being able to give myself a sensible answer, I freed the drive space and returned the (?)game. I will say one thing though. There is some A-1 support on the Pod website. Darned shame there's not more to support. Jerry Morelock

Well on my system with a Monster, POD rocks!!! Yeah , so it's not the most realistic racing game. I didn't buy it for realism. I have a P100 with 32megs, and I get 30+ fps always. POD was written natively for the 3dfx, not just D3D. And for those of you who have it or have the demo. The best tracks aren't in the game, but on UbiSoft's site for downloading. I've seen the demo for Motoracer, and it too rocks. can't wait till it's out in the US. And Formula F1...it should be in stores any day now. The screen shots look phenomenal, and I can't imagine how much fun it'll be to race with those graphics at 30+ fps. This is going to be the best summer ever for PC gamers. One's with 3D cards that is. <G>

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> I don't think Pod supports the Rendition chip (?), which may explain why it > crawls. It does support the 3dfx, and runs fast if you've got one for > sure, but I agree with you that it looks and plays rotten. During the > brief time I had it loaded and played it, I kept asking myself, "Why?". > Not being able to give myself a sensible answer, I freed the drive space > and returned the (?)game. > I will say one thing though. There is some A-1 support on the Pod website. > Darned shame there's not more to support. > Jerry Morelock > > MotoRacer is by far the best. POD is the worst racing game I have ever > > played. WIth my Screamin 3D card, MotoRacer looks awesome and runs very > > fast. On the same system, POD crawls and looks wrotten. > > I have not played F1 yet, but I would recommend MotoRacer to everybody > > looking for a great racing game.

I read somewhere that there may a be a rendition patch for pod someday in the near future, possibly sometime this month. -- "To all you villans out there I say, knock off all that evil!" -The Tick The Rusty Wallace Miller Lite stock car, awsome when opened up! GO#2! Mullins Motorsports Inc. http://www.***tron.com/~ddmj

>Well on my system with a Monster, POD rocks!!! Yeah , so it's not the >most realistic racing game. I didn't buy it for realism. I have a P100 >with 32megs, and I get 30+ fps always. POD was written natively for the >3dfx, not just D3D. And for those of you who have it or have the demo. >The best tracks aren't in the game, but on UbiSoft's site for >downloading. ditto... it's very good, very fast, new tracks easily accessible - I've seen some complaints - but it's excellent... a few Tweeks - to 120Hz and FrameWait off (still no tearing). The wet weather atmospherics are staggeringly good. EF2000 patch out 30/6/97 (allegedly - but I'm a believer :-) Flying Corp patch out this weekend? Peter

I've been playing the MotoRacer demo, and although there are some hilariously fun tracks and tricks, the arcade driving (riding?) model is hard to get used to. I keep thinking that my hard earned sim techniques will diminish if I get good at a game where you can corner without skidding, do a jump and rear end somebody at top speed, then keep going like nothing happened. I really hope that in the final game you fall off the bike more often, even compared to Road Rash this game was way too forgiving. It is permanently on the 'easy setting, so hopefully that's it. Fun, though, except that annoying voice at the end if you don't get the podium: "You lost the race.." well, duh. Now, I wouldn't go that far, POD is what it is, a futuristic arcade game, and it seems to do that well, maybe it just requires a higher end system. Once again, I hope in the final that they fixed that garbage can sound when you run into the walls, little things like that would keep me from buying the damn thing. Good God, from what I've played of it, and what I've heard... it seems like an irrelevant addition to the racing scene. Oh well... Have fun racing, Raevyn

>MotoRacer is by far the best. POD is the worst racing game I have ever >played. WIth my Screamin 3D card, MotoRacer looks awesome and runs very >fast. On the same system, POD crawls and looks wrotten. >I have not played F1 yet, but I would recommend MotoRacer to everybody >looking for a great racing game. I agree, motoracer is alot of fun, one of the most replayed games i have, the boost button has an awesome feel for speed !!!!!

> >MotoRacer is by far the best. I've played MotoRacer for about 1 week now and I love it! It's running like wildfire on my Pentium 200 MMX - never before have I seen such fast graphics. I have a question about F1 to all you folks out there: is it really fast on a Matrox Mystique graphics card (4 MB) ? I've seen a test in a german pc-games magazine and they were very disappointed about the speed of the graphics. As I said, I own a pentium 200 MMX with Matrox Mystique and I would buy the game if the graphics are smooth and fast. Can anybody comment on this ? Thanks. BTW, I own F1GP2 and I believe the graphics are quite fast - probably except the monaco course (all details switched on except the textures in the mirrors). Will F1 be faster on my machine ? Martin Doppelbauer

R: Where can I get the new tracks? Operation voodoo has dropped them. Thanks.

>> it's very good, very fast, new tracks easily accessible - >R: >Where can I get the new tracks? Operation voodoo has dropped them. >Thanks. 207.212.235.10 port 21 directory = CDPatcher/Tracks/3dfx The cars directory is in /CDPatcher and you need to get CDPatcher.exe to install the new stuff. Make sure that Pod is installed in the default installation directory, otherwise the patcher has trouble locating the new data. It's probably me... :-) - something like C:\Ubisoft\Pod_2... Get Tweek or similar if you have a 3D card and turn off Vsync and set up for 120Hz. Gamma 1.6 is good... blurring is good for F1 but less good for Pod. All the new stuff is first rate... Peter

Man, was I let down by this title. F1 sux bigtime. U can't use joystick and the resume feature only works when U'r in the game. If U leave the game and the enter it again the resume button is not available. U'll have to drive the whole championship in one sitting. And the tearing. I mean, I've got a P200MMX and the Righteous 3D so I belive that I shouldn't put up with that kinda ***programming. The racing model is just awful even in the Sim mode. I went to the store and exchanged it for Carmageddon. Now thats fun. On POD: This game rocks. The speed. The fun when playing both championship and multiplayer. New tracks and cars all the time. What more can one ask. Regards Martin

>>I have not played F1 yet, >Good God, from what I've played of it, and what I've heard... it seems >like an irrelevant addition to the racing scene. Oh well... F1 is good to play good to watch, but No Network play, it seems they could not get it wokring with the 3D Cards ??? How does POD and Moto Racer work then :-) POD is ok but a little boring, Moto is fun and frantic although both suffer when running an 8 man network Brian Clay [link lost in import]

A full working version on a CD with no dribble ware.

On 19 Jun 1997 06:46:34 GMT, "Martin Tykesson" >Man, was I let down by this title. F1 sux bigtime. U can't use joystick and >the resume feature only works when U'r in the game. If U leave the game and The joystick works great for me. I'll take F1 any day over Pod. Pod is boring boring boring. I think what you don't like is that POD does not look like a real racing game so you hold it to a different standard. F1 is an arcade game but I would say it is on the higher end of the arcade games and the graphics are drop dead gorgeous. Steve [Remove the "NOSPAM." from my e-mail address if you wish to e-mail me]

> > On POD: This game rocks. The speed. The fun when playing both championship > > and multiplayer. New tracks and cars all the time. What more can one ask. > A full working version on a CD with no dribble ware. I have these 3 games, the best is Motoracer, then Pod... in my opinion. Nicolas (french, like Motoracer and Pod).