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yet? If not whatch it, there is a law saying you may not make money of
of there products unless the give you a write letter saying you can.
So, for your sakes, if you don't got it, put it out for free. Please do.
I want' the full, but wont pay until that section is straighened out.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>I wouldn't normally consider posting someone's email
to a newsgroup, but I
<BR>received this today...
<BR>>Date: 18 May 1997 18:14
<P>> This is a rip-off I'm not paying you thirty ***ing dollars when i
can
<BR>>make the share ware work on all the tracks in fact it's already working
<BR>and
<BR>>i'm going to post it on someone's web page and i'm going to take the
<BR>credit
<BR>>for it. If you don't want me to do this post the free full version
and
<BR>i'll
<BR>>never say a word.
<P>Really makes all the work seem worthwhile!
<P>Dave Noonan
<P><A HREF="[link lost in import]">[link lost in import]</A></BLOCKQUOTE>
papy yet? If not whatch it, there is a law saying you may not make money
of of there products unless the give you a write letter saying you
can. So, for your sakes, if you don't got it, put it out for free. Please
do. I want' the full, but wont pay until that section is straighened out.
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Sincerely,
<BR>
Mark
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<BR>Its awsome to come and worth seeing when made!!!
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<BR>or
<BR>Come and visit the page SPEED!!!!!
<BR>Has Utilities, Setups, Cars, Links, and more!
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I wouldn't normally consider posting someone's email to a newsgroup, but I
received this today...
>Date: 18 May 1997 18:14
> This is a rip-off I'm not paying you thirty ***ing dollars when i can
>make the share ware work on all the tracks in fact it's already working and
>i'm going to post it on someone's web page and i'm going to take the credit
>for it. If you don't want me to do this post the free full version and i'll
>never say a word.
Really makes all the work seem worthwhile!
Dave Noonan
[link lost in import]
Well said Marc!
Jeff Euclid
'JR' on Kali
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> >yet? If not whatch it, there is a law saying you may not make money of > >of there products unless the give you a write letter saying you can. > >So, for your sakes, if you don't got it, put it out for free. Please do. > >I want' the full, but wont pay until that section is straighened out. > So, what are you so pissed about Mark? I personally believe that what > David has done with this program is a good thing, and he has every right > on earth to ask for compensation...I think I saw somewhere that if you > don't aggree with this, then create your own converter. > Also, David isn't making any money off N2, he's asking for compensation > to his own program. From what I can tell, his program uses no Papy code, > but instead uses David's own conversion routines (I think he explainsQuoted text (7 lines)
> in his readme.txt). > Also, you indicate that you "get the point" with David's posting of a > pirate > ready to break the law. I really don't think you're too clear on this > one. > I'm a little surprised to hear such comments from you Mark. I hadQuoted text (15 lines)
> you were more level headed and fair minded than this. > FWIW, I would consider anyone posting converted tracks to be every bit > a software pirate as though they had posted a full track...As a matter of > fact, David's program is technically protected under international > copyright > laws, so if anyone wishes to post a track, they'll not only have to deal > with Papyrus and Sierra, but also David Noonan. > Best Regards, > Marc > Marc J. Nelson > The Sim ProjectWhat do you mean he's not making money?30 bucks ?That's only ten dollars
less than the game.Anyway I agree with mark I would love to have full
ver.but I'm not paying for somthing that might be a sick bird.
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> >yet? If not whatch it, there is a law saying you may not make money of > >of there products unless the give you a write letter saying you can. > >So, for your sakes, if you don't got it, put it out for free. Please do. > >I want' the full, but wont pay until that section is straighened out. > So, what are you so pissed about Mark? I personally believe that what > David has done with this program is a good thing, and he has every right > on earth to ask for compensation...I think I saw somewhere that if you > don't aggree with this, then create your own converter. > Also, David isn't making any money off N2, he's asking for compensation > to his own program. From what I can tell, his program uses no Papy code, > but instead uses David's own conversion routines (I think he explainsQuoted text (7 lines)
> in his readme.txt). > Also, you indicate that you "get the point" with David's posting of a > pirate > ready to break the law. I really don't think you're too clear on this > one. > I'm a little surprised to hear such comments from you Mark. I hadQuoted text (15 lines)
> you were more level headed and fair minded than this. > FWIW, I would consider anyone posting converted tracks to be every bit > a software pirate as though they had posted a full track...As a matter of > fact, David's program is technically protected under international > copyright > laws, so if anyone wishes to post a track, they'll not only have to deal > with Papyrus and Sierra, but also David Noonan. > Best Regards, > Marc > Marc J. Nelson > The Sim Project> Oh, but he is using Papy code. Papyrus wrote the track files that he is
> converting, not him.
But He's not distributing Pappy code. You must have your own copy of
ICR2 and N2. What he's selling is entirely his!!
Lyman,
http://www.pilot.infi.net/~lymanv/tnms/tnms.htm
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> > Oh, but he is using Papy code. Papyrus wrote the track files that he is > > converting, not him. > But He's not distributing Pappy code. You must have your own copy of > ICR2 and N2. What he's selling is entirely his!! > Lyman, > http://www.pilot.infi.net/~lymanv/tnms/tnms.htmHi Mike,
No, he really isn't...What I meant is that his program "reads" the ICR2
file, then "rearranges" the formats to conform to N2. His program thus
contains no Papyrus propriatary code, and does not infringe on theirs
(or anyone else's) copyrights.
Best Regards,
Marc
Marc J. Nelson
The SIm Project
> Oh, but he is using Papy code. Papyrus wrote the track files that he is
> converting, not him.
He is not using Papy code, he is taking his own code and adding it to
and altering Papy code. Using Papy code is includuding it in the
program.
Oh, but he is using Papy code. Papyrus wrote the track files that he is
converting, not him.
Eric,
Please READ my post...it says he's not making money off N2, only
asking for compensation for HIS utility. =)
Marc
But he is not using the track files, only his converter. I see no copyright
violations here.
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Listen, if everyone is so pissed at this guy, then post his full utility.
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Jim Dunphy
My GP2 page: http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/4211/gp2.html
home page: http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/4211/index.htm
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Does anyone know if Dave has any intention of porting the converter to
DOS format for those of us who don't have the Win95 version of ICR2,
let alone Win95 (and know that most users who have tried both
overwhelmingly prefer the DOS version)?
Earl
Some stuipd person already told you how to convert all the tracks what else
do you want?????????????????
Rob
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>Listen, if everyone is so pissed at this guy, then post his full utility. >-- >Jim Dunphy >My GP2 page: http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/4211/gp2.html >home page: http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/4211/index.htm >Racing Photos and Sims (Grand Prix 2,Nascar,Nascar 2,Indycar Racing 2)I purchased the game for $29.95 plus tax from Best Buy. My investment
will not be doubling anytime in the near future.
Bleed,
Unholy Hate
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> >yet? If not whatch it, there is a law saying you may not make money of > >of there products unless the give you a write letter saying you can. > >So, for your sakes, if you don't got it, put it out for free. Please do. > >I want' the full, but wont pay until that section is straighened out. > So, what are you so pissed about Mark? I personally believe that what > David has done with this program is a good thing, and he has every right > on earth to ask for compensation...I think I saw somewhere that if you > don't aggree with this, then create your own converter. > Also, David isn't making any money off N2, he's asking for compensation > to his own program. From what I can tell, his program uses no Papy code, > but instead uses David's own conversion routines (I think he explains this > in his readme.txt). > Also, you indicate that you "get the point" with David's posting of a > pirate > ready to break the law. I really don't think you're too clear on this > one. > I'm a little surprised to hear such comments from you Mark. I had thought > you were more level headed and fair minded than this. > FWIW, I would consider anyone posting converted tracks to be every bit > a software pirate as though they had posted a full track...As a matter of > fact, David's program is technically protected under international > copyright > laws, so if anyone wishes to post a track, they'll not only have to deal > with Papyrus and Sierra, but also David Noonan. > Best Regards, > Marc > Marc J. Nelson > The Sim ProjectQuoted text (9 lines)
> You have made a comment here which I feel must be addressed. In order >to make the ICR2 tracks work with N2, alterations must be made to files >written by Papy. Otherwise, anyone could just copy the files over to >their N2 directory without complications. As for the international >copywright, It takes more than just writing a program for it to be >copywrighted. There are very long and difficult processes involved >ingetting copywrights, especially at the international level. As I have >stated before, I have no problems with Dave's program or his desire to >profit from his work, however, one must keep the facts straight.Hi Mike,
I'm not too clear on your first point, but I will attempt to address
the second one...
As for International copyrights, the item in question is protected once
it is written. The US law is written in this manner, and most countries
conform to these rules in the form of copyright treaties. Not all, but
most...Like I've mentioned elsewhere, I know very little about
copyrights (here or abroad), but feel that my comments to Mark were
accurate.
I aggree with you that one should keep the facts straight. ;)
Marc
