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For all of you searching for the Indy track

8 posts by 7 people · 14 May 1997 - 18 May 1997

ymenard 14 May 1997#366641
Hi to all simracers, As you probably know, a guy here is sending the Indianapolis Motor Speedway track for icr2 to anybody that wants him. I know him too well and I just wanted to say something. It's only for icr2. So you cannot have it for Nascar1. But there's a "($/&?|! guy that is posting the Indy track for Nascar1 on HIS WEB SITE !!!!. Just to say that I totally not agree with this type of doing. he's going into great troubles. I never posted the track on a web site. I never (except 1 time and I went in big trouble) sended the track on any knid of USENET, Ftp site, Web, Gopher, etc. I never said that I had the track, I just tryed to make people read between the lines so they know that I send the track free. If everybody here put the Indianapolis track on their web site we will never see good relationship between Papyrus/Nascar/Cart/Irl. I know that people here buyed the track. But others don't have this chance. But it's not a reason to put the track on a website. 'cause I know that if 1 person do it, everybody will after. And that's the problem. We have to keep this "secret" inside r.a.s. We're a little communauty on the Net and sending the track into Website is not a way of making people HAPPY!HAPPY!HAPPY!HAPPY!. I receive +/- 3 post each week that want to have the Indy track. It's not big. But if EVERY web site in the Internet have it, we will all get into trouble. It's my opinion and I hope that you respect it. Feel free to flame me or to post other comments on this subject. For the URL of this web site I will write it here in r.a.s. if I see more than 10 person respond me. And too bad for those little racers who want it. Good race at the Brickyard, Good race at the Brickyard, SPEED- Cars, WC, BGN, Trucks, IROC, utilities and more... SPEED- http://www.sim-speed.com/~speed |! Go Rubens Barrichello, Jacques Villeneuve, !| |! Patrick Carpentier,Jeff Gordon and Greg Moore!!! !| |! May the force be with you, always!! !| |! Que la force soit avec toi, jamais!! !| |! Excuse me for my poor English(I'm French speaking) !|
Chasma 15 May 1997#366744
Posting to a website? The guy is a complete moron if he is. May I only wish upon him the best lawyers in the free world. Chas
Quoted text (40 lines)> Hi to all simracers, > As you probably know, a guy here is sending the Indianapolis Motor > Speedway track for icr2 to anybody that wants him. I know him too well > and I just wanted to say something. It's only for icr2. So you cannot > have it for Nascar1. But there's a "($/&?|! guy that is posting the > Indy track for Nascar1 on HIS WEB SITE !!!!. Just to say that I > totally not agree with this type of doing. he's going into great > troubles. I never posted the track on a web site. I never (except 1 > time and I went in big trouble) sended the track on any knid of USENET, > Ftp site, Web, Gopher, etc. I never said that I had the track, I just > tryed to make people read between the lines so they know that I send the > track free. If everybody here put the Indianapolis track on their web > site we will never see good relationship between > Papyrus/Nascar/Cart/Irl. I know that people here buyed the track. But > others don't have this chance. But it's not a reason to put the track > on a website. 'cause I know that if 1 person do it, everybody will > after. And that's the problem. We have to keep this "secret" inside > r.a.s. We're a little communauty on the Net and sending the track into > Website is not a way of making people HAPPY!HAPPY!HAPPY!HAPPY!. I > receive +/- 3 post each week that want to have the Indy track. It's not > big. But if EVERY web site in the Internet have it, we will all get > into trouble. It's my opinion and I hope that you respect it. Feel > free to flame me or to post other comments on this subject. For the URL > of this web site I will write it here in r.a.s. if I see more than 10 > person respond me. And too bad for those little racers who want it. > Good race at the Brickyard, > Good race at the Brickyard, > SPEED- Cars, WC, BGN, Trucks, IROC, utilities and more... > SPEED- http://www.sim-speed.com/~speed > |! Go Rubens Barrichello, Jacques Villeneuve, !| > |! Patrick Carpentier,Jeff Gordon and Greg Moore!!! !| > |! May the force be with you, always!! !| > |! Que la force soit avec toi, jamais!! !| > |! Excuse me for my poor English(I'm French speaking) !|
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Keith Meye 15 May 1997#366745
Quoted text (13 lines)> Hi to all simracers, > As you probably know, a guy here is sending the Indianapolis Motor > Speedway track for icr2 to anybody that wants him. I know him too well > and I just wanted to say something. It's only for icr2. So you cannot > have it for Nascar1. But there's a "($/&?|! guy that is posting the > Indy track for Nascar1 on HIS WEB SITE !!!!. Just to say that I > totally not agree with this type of doing. he's going into great > troubles. I never posted the track on a web site. I never (except 1 > time and I went in big trouble) sended the track on any knid of USENET, > Ftp site, Web, Gopher, etc. I never said that I had the track, I just > tryed to make people read between the lines so they know that I send the > track free.
I'm sorry, I just don't see the difference. They're both illegal distribution of a copyrighted product. If you think you're any different just because you e-mail the track instead of posting it, you're sorely mistaken. And if you think your distribution is a 'secret' within RAS, you're also naive and stupid, especially with the presence Papyrus maintains here. Keith -- Think before you Spam... "By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited adverti***t to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation."
Eric Busch 15 May 1997#366746
Just how the hell is he going to know if you're going to use it for ICR2 or Nascar? --
c 16 May 1997#366822
And then what about all those Web sites that have modified tracks..? If you say that modified tracks aren't copyrighted the even Indy for Nascar or Indycar isn't copyrighted because it's modified from Indycar1 And it's not modified with a Papyrus utility .
Jim Sokolo 16 May 1997#366823
> And then what about all those Web sites that have modified tracks..? They are probably infringing. (my opinion only, IANAL.) The original files are copyrighted by Papyrus. The modifications to those files can be copyrighted by whoever did the intellectual work to create the modifications. *However*, the original files remain subject to the Papyrus copyright, and therefore the modified files are a derivative work, and subject to the Papyrus copyright. For a simple example: Original sentence: (copyright entity A) The brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. Modified sentence: (based on the above sentence, modified by entity B) The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. entity A holds the copyright on the first sentence. entity B holds the copyright *only* on the changes to the sentence The second sentence is a derivative work, and is subject to entity A's copyright. --Jim Sokoloff
SimRaci 16 May 1997#366824
The internal files are copyright Papyrus, while the actual names of tracks are copyright of the track owners...Basically, all is bound by copyright. Marc
ymenard 18 May 1997#367037
Quoted text (24 lines)> > And then what about all those Web sites that have modified tracks..? > They are probably infringing. (my opinion only, IANAL.) > > If you say that modified tracks aren't copyrighted the even Indy for > > Nascar or Indycar isn't copyrighted because it's modified from Indycar1 > > And it's not modified with a Papyrus utility . > The original files are copyrighted by Papyrus. The modifications to > those files can be copyrighted by whoever did the intellectual work to > create the modifications. *However*, the original files remain subject > to the Papyrus copyright, and therefore the modified files are a > derivative work, and subject to the Papyrus copyright. > For a simple example: > Original sentence: (copyright entity A) > The brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. > Modified sentence: (based on the above sentence, modified by entity B) > The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. > entity A holds the copyright on the first sentence. > entity B holds the copyright *only* on the changes to the sentence > The second sentence is a derivative work, and is subject to entity A's > copyright. > --Jim Sokoloff
So, AFAIK, if you made (per exemple), A Daytona track for Nascar2 with Tally as a base. Tally will be a Papyrus/Sierra/NASCAR copyright while the Datona part will be Mister X copyright. Or will it be Tally= Papyrus/Sierra/NASCAR copyright and Daytona=NASCAR copyright?? There's a big difference between the two of them. BTW, I'm proud that a INTELLIGENT thread is going on here on r.a.s. It's been a while since this. The HUGGINS mistery was not very mature at a time, and compared to other newsgroups like rec.arts.sf.starwars.misc, we don't have many serious discussion. It's always "I have a question please answer me" and two person respond to him. Finito. Nothing else. Also, some humor could be O.K. here sometimes. Like "Your an Racing simulation *** when..." or "Your a r.a.s. cool guy when...". It makes the newsgroup more fun and more intimate. More like a family, or a communauty. So now, who's ready to those two questions above?? :) Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) SPEED- Cars, WC, BGN, Trucks, IROC, utilities and more... SPEED- http://www.sim-speed.com/~speed |! Go Rubens Barrichello, Jacques Villeneuve, !| |! Patrick Carpentier,Jeff Gordon and Greg Moore!!! !| |! May the force be with you, always!! !| |! Que la force soit avec toi, jamais!! !| |! Excuse me for my poor English (I'm French speaking) !| Flight Cadet Nien Numb, Gold squadron http://www.dpliv.com/dragon/Gold/index.html May the force be with you, always!!
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