We need GP3!!

> Hi all, > Everyone may be slating the idea of GP3, saying all we need is a GP2 > patch, but I thought I'd mention the main reasons why a new standalone > game is needed. By another sim developer. From the difference between GP1 and GP2, I believe you'll be waiting around for GP5 if you even get half of those wishes That is if Microprose/GC have anything to do with it Dave. By then you'll be too old to see your monitor. Maybe Papy could go ahead and do it right after this "Historical" sim. IMO, of course. =8>] -DG-

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> >Maybe Papy could go ahead and do it right after > >this > >"Historical" sim. > To be honest, I don't care much for Papy sims. They always seem a little > rough around the edges, and I prefer the GP2 engine to that of any Papy > sims. > -- > Dave Bowers

Well we're all entitled to our opinion. I must say though, that your stating _Papy's sims_ are "rough around the edges"?! In that case GC's so-called" masterpiece must have created the word "Rough"!! =8>] -DG-

Hi all, Everyone may be slating the idea of GP3, saying all we need is a GP2 patch, but I thought I'd mention the main reasons why a new standalone game is needed. Firstly, it needs to have an updated graphics engine, so that it runs a bit faster [comparatively]. Secondly, it needs updated physics where, for instance, cars don't spend ages in the air, instead they are flung into the air and land with a thud and bent suspension. Thirdly, it needs more ways to damage the car like punctures and bent suspension, if it is to mirror F1 properly. Fourthly, it needs updated tracks, and I don't just mean 97/98 or whatever tracks. I mean with camber and correct kerbing and realistic escape roads etc. Fifthly, it has to have up to date cars as they have changed a lot since 1994. Sixthly[am I beginning to sound daft here?], IT NEEDS REAL WET WEATHER, which I think is too major to be simply put in a patch. Seventhly, it needs multiplayer, and it needs to be tailored around it, so the emphasis is on 8 player Internet races or whatever. Eighthly, it needs better graphics; they were superb when the game was released but other games are out or are coming out with more car detail, trackside detail etc. Ninethly, it should have a Paintkit [not that Trevor Kellaway's programs aren't perfectly ample]. Tenthly, it needs to be published by someone other than Microprose, someone who'll offer good support on this NG. Remember the Kick Off games, and Goal? Dino Dini got sick of Microprose so he left, though Microprose still had the rights to his Kick Off name. Dini released Kick Off 3 under the name 'Goal' for *** Interactive, while Microprose released some ***for Kick Off 3, basically cashing in on the name. Could happen again with Mr. Crammond... -- Dave Bowers

Hiho, .... and we need 3DFX-Support in the next version/update of GP2 !!!!!! :-))) Greetings.... Finn

Microprose can not do anything about this problem, Microprose can not make a new game. Geoff Crammond is a stand alone programmer that uses Microprose to PUBLISH is products, that does not meen that it is Microprose who MADE the game. Geoff Crammond also has all the Copyright's to the code. He was the only one that was programming the game, he could have completed the game if he had more recources. Let us all hope Geoff Crammond is looking in this newsgroup, will make another great F1 sim. Frode Dufey

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>> Hi all, >> Everyone may be slating the idea of GP3, saying all we need is a GP2 >> patch, but I thought I'd mention the main reasons why a new standalone >> game is needed. >By another sim developer.

I did say it shouldn't be published by Microprose. However, I think Geoff Crammond would be able to keep up with the biger teams who are develp F1 games/sims. To be honest, I don't care much for Papy sims. They always seem a little rough around the edges, and I prefer the GP2 engine to that of any Papy sims. -- Dave Bowers

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> Firstly, it needs to have an updated graphics engine > Secondly, it needs updated physics > Thirdly, it needs more ways to damage the car > Fourthly, it needs updated tracks > Fifthly, it has to have up to date cars > Sixthly IT NEEDS REAL WET WEATHER > Seventhly, it needs multiplayer > Eighthly, it needs better graphics > Ninethly, it should have a Paintkit > Tenthly, it needs to be published by someone other than Microprose

Yeah, 100% agree to those ones. I'd put #1,8 and 9 as one point and #2,3 and 5 too. Sadly, I don't think it'll happen this way...Microprose wouldn't let that all happen, would they? I mean, they would do anything to hold on to it and do what they are doing right now: NOTHING! I've already asked Microprose to release trackspecs for the community to let them build the tracks, but as usual: no reaction at all. Microprose was a good company in the past, but now they are a 100% arrogant, client-unfriendly company. They do not deserve to cash in on another game forever. Just had to get it out of my system Marcel Schot

Good news - Geoff Crammond owns the game, I believe, so GP3 may well be on the cards outside of Microprose!! (Thank God) Tom -- Tom Cosgrave Guinness Grand Prix :- http://www.rtc-carlow.ie/student/downeys/ggp.html E-mail :- "The Jordan factory is at the factory gates..." "The beak of Ayrton Senna's chicken is pulling ahead !" "The Italian Grand Prix at Monaco..." "The enthusiastic enthusiasts..." "And he has lost BOTH right front tyres !!" ALL QUOTES FROM MURRAY WALKER, ITV, DATING FROM 1988 TO 1996

:Tom Cosgrave :Guinness Grand Prix :- :http://www.rtc-carlow.ie/student/downeys/ggp.html :E-mail :- : :"The Jordan factory is at the factory gates..." :"The beak of Ayrton Senna's chicken is pulling ahead !" :"The Italian Grand Prix at Monaco..." :"The enthusiastic enthusiasts..." :"And he has lost BOTH right front tyres !!" : ALL QUOTES FROM MURRAY WALKER, ITV, : DATING FROM 1988 TO 1996 And from today's touring car coverage: "He's not just inching up, he's footing up!" Ken -- #include <disclaim>

Whew... In a world of turmoil some things remain unchanged, a constant reference point, a touchstone from which we can all draw strength. Don't ever start saying nice things about GP2 David, I might need to go into therapy if your "I declare my love for GP2" message takes me by surprise! :) I doubt one is any worse than the other really. GP2 has howlingly bad multiplayer support and requires excesses of CPU power to shift it, but I've yet to see GC shrinking the amount of screen he has to update in order to salvage a poor frame rate. N2 anyone....? No-one is innocent! Who killed Bambi? Holidays in the Sun etc -- Cheers! John (SRN-Europe) (Remove "NOSPAM" from address before replying...)

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>> >Maybe Papy could go ahead and do it right after >> >this >> >"Historical" sim. >> To be honest, I don't care much for Papy sims. They always seem a little >> rough around the edges, and I prefer the GP2 engine to that of any Papy >> sims. >> -- >> Dave Bowers >Well we're all entitled to our opinion. I must say though, that your >stating _Papy's sims_ are "rough around the edges"?! >In that case GC's so-called" masterpiece must have created >the word "Rough"!!

I knew you'd say that :) What I mean is that GP2 might not be 'finished', but Papy sims always seem very slightly amatuerish. It's probably my own fault because of my experiences with track conversion [I always used to run Nascar races on ICR2 tracks], but Papy sims never seem as polished as GP2 is. -- Dave Bowers