Same setup on a Ford or Chevy chassis....

Does anyone know if the chassis actually makes a difference in N2? If you take the same setup and apply it across brands, will the cars react differently or are the nameplates just there for show.... Thanks in advance.... -Kev

>Does anyone know if the chassis actually makes a difference in N2? If >you take the same setup and apply it across brands, will the cars >react differently or are the nameplates just there for show.... >Thanks in advance.... >-Kev What I heard about chassis is something like this: Chevy - more front understeer... loosiest of all Ford - more understeer... easier to start with Pontiac - something in the middle Rok

JD- Am I correct in stating that the Fords have more downforce up front(even with the new Nascar Spoiler change for the Fords) while the Chevys have more rear downforce and the Pontiacs are the neutral of the two? I have a quick question: so what if I have a 195.xxx setup at Tally for my ford and throw it on a Chevy? What would happen? or should I just wait for the guide? JR

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> >JD- > JR-; ) > >Am I correct in stating that the Fords have more downforce up front(even > >with the new Nascar Spoiler change for the Fords) while the Chevys have > >more rear downforce and the Pontiacs are the neutral of the two? > Err.. Think about this.. for a minute what you just said, "the Ford > has more downforce up front".. Which that mean that means that the > Fords are "looser." Right?? Wrong.. The Chevies are the "loosiest" of > the bunch in NASCAR and in the sim. > Now I see that I have "lost" you..;-) Look at the shape of the Ford > and Chevy. Notice how the Fords almost look like a "wedge." The rear > decklid of the Ford is "higher", meaning more "rear" downforce. > As for the Chevy, the shape is almost like a "football", the air hits > the frontend "harder" than the rear of car. Denoting a "looser" feel. > Are you still confused? Hehe..;-) Try this: > Put your hand on the a "level" surface, such as your "desk." Now, put > more pressure on the "front" and pretend that you are turning with > "forward" motion. Did you notice something? I hope so.; ) The rear > area or your "palm" is in the air, creating a "loose" condition. > Now do the opposite, put the pressure on your "palm" or the rear and > turn with "forward" motion. What happens here? Hehe..Do you get the > picture?; ) > As for the Poncho, yes, the shape takes the attributes of both cars. > Yet, the Ford is the "easiest" to learn, because of the lack of > "frontal" downforce and not being "loose." > Most drivers seem to think that by just reading this that the Poncho > should be the "easiest" to drive, that's not the case. The Pontiac is > "slightly" looser than the FORD(Fix Or Repair Daily, First On Race > Day, F*cked Old Rebuilt Dodge, Found On Road Dead..); ) > I hope this settles things.. > As for top speeds, in the Papyrus "Wind Tunnel", they have all have > the "same" drag coefficients..; ) So they all have the top speeds. Too > bad we can't play in the "wind tunnel" or play with "solid cams, head > port layouts..; ) That would be really fun.. And we would really find > out who know's what.. ; ) > I have a > >quick question: so what if I have a 195.xxx setup at Tally for my ford and > >throw it on a Chevy? > She would be "looser" on the turns.. > What would happen? > You might hit the wall. ;-) WATCH OUT!! > or should I just wait for the > >guide? > Yes.. Sorry.. I am falling behind.. It's racing season ya know.. > I hope this helps.. > take care > Julian "Mr. Turtle" Data > IVGA Member 0004 > The N2 "SkunksWorks" is in progress > Verite/3DFX owner

Julian: I think you have a new chapter for the UNOFFICAL NASCAR 2 MANUAL don

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>>Does anyone know if the chassis actually makes a difference in N2? If >>you take the same setup and apply it across brands, will the cars >>react differently or are the nameplates just there for show.... >>Thanks in advance.... >>-Kev >What I heard about chassis is something like this: >Chevy - more front understeer... loosiest of all >Ford - more understeer... easier to start with >Pontiac - something in the middle >Rok

Hmmm.....we were wondering about that. A friend of mine races a Chevy chassis and I race a Ford. We often exchange setup info but the cars seem to handle differently with identical setups. I always thought it was our respective driving styles. Maybe Papy (Sierra, whatever) did include chassis info into the game....anyone else have a few cents worth? -Kev

<snipped Pattycake lesson> Don't you mean FAILURE On Race Day?? Also, don't forget F*cker Only Runs Downhill.. Heheh, "Take Care" -- Dave "No Mr. Turtle Here" Otterness

: Hmmm.....we were wondering about that. A friend of mine races a Chevy : chassis and I race a Ford. We often exchange setup info but the cars : seem to handle differently with identical setups. I always thought it : was our respective driving styles. Maybe Papy (Sierra, whatever) did : include chassis info into the game....anyone else have a few cents : worth? Here are two posts from Jim Sokoloff in Jan of this year on this topic: The engines are all identical. The aerodynamic "efficiencies" are all identical. The differences in aerodynamics are solely in regards to the balance of downforce front vs rear. Ford has the most aerodynamic front downforce, Chevy the most aerodynamic rear downforce, and Pontiac is a more balanced downforce body. The reason some setups will work better on some chassis is the combination of suspension settings and aerodynamics. (A suspension setup which might be a little tight and bind the car up too much on a Chevy might loosen up just enough on one of the other makes to be faster. Likewise, a Ford setup that works well at Martinsville might push too badly on a Chevy...) The car makes are close enough in the game that a driver could win with any of them. (I won't get into whether that's really the case on Sunday Winston Cup racing in this newsgroup... ;-) ) ---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus Sure. This means that the Ford body shape has more downforce due to the airflow over the car than the other body shapes. No, pretty much the exact opposite. Moving from a Ford body style (chassis) to a Chevy body style will do that (at the expense of less front downforce) No, it will give you less, but it will give you more front downforce. Doesn't have anything to do with mass, but it will place more aero load on the rear tires than you had with the Ford setup. In general, all other things being exactly equal, and the car running at a decent speed (so that aerodynamic flow is important), a Ford will be the "loosest", the Pontiac middle, and the Chevy tightest. However, changing car body styles is not an alternative to learning how to use the garage... :-) ---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Thanks for the Lesson JD. I'm all clear on the matter. So with that said I guess I'll continue with first on race day! JR