N2 bad news from Sierra

I just got word form Sierra that there is NO track pack in the works. Here is what they said "There are no plans for a Track Pack and right now the patch does not have a release date. Patrick/Sierra Tech" Sorry for the bad news Rob

Date: 16 Apr 1997 02:28:03 GMT Message-ID: This is not a surprise. As for the patch (and new tracks), it's on the way. It's called NASCAR 3 and you will have to pay $60.00 for it. Sierra is about $$$$, not customer service. And judging from all the posts that defend Sierra, their buggy products, and lack of support, we all appartently get what we deserve. < I've been trying to spread the word about $$$ierra for a while now, but I am as guilty as everyone else buying their sims. Someboady needs to stop them from buying out the creative game companies like Dynamix and Papyrus!!!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------- Jason Nichols Commissioner SportSim Football League http://members.aol.com/jn141414/ssfl.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------

I want to know what we need to do to get papy back this sucks papy cared about us Sierra needs to do something before we all start a boycot of Sierra products. Iknow that I'm not buying anymore unless it N3 or a track pack(in about 5 years) $IERRA SUCKS BIGG TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rob

This is not a surprise. As for the patch (and new tracks), it's on the way. It's called NASCAR 3 and you will have to pay $60.00 for it. Sierra is about $$$$, not customer service. And judging from all the posts that defend Sierra, their buggy products, and lack of support, we all appartently get what we deserve.

You all are acting like babies. I'm not trying to act like a know it all or anything. The fact is Sierra did take over Papyrus. Sierra is not all about money. They do care about the customer. The real fact is if Papy didn't have the financial backing from Sierra that it does we would not have seen an N2 from Papy that was so much better that N1. All games have bugs. At least the company is making a patch to fix it. A lot of big companies don't even do that. This patch is also going to add a couple of new features to N2. Papy and Sierra want to make sure they are getting it right this time. They don't want to have to release another patch to patch the patch. How does the saying go? "Good things come in time?" If you all just be patient and wait the patch will come and it will make racing more fun. It may even come faster if you all stop whining and ***ing about it!!!!! P.S. Let the flaming begin Cowen Wilson http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7137 --------------------------------------------------------------- Head Car Designer AJ's Nascar Garage http://www.webstorage.com/~ajs

Date: 16 Apr 1997 02:53:53 GMT Message-ID: I want to know what we need to do to get papy back this sucks papy cared about us Sierra needs to do something before we all start a boycot of Sierra products. Iknow that I'm not buying anymore unless it N3 or a track pack(in about 5 years) $IERRA SUCKS BIGG TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rob surprise. > > As for the patch (and new tracks), it's on the way. > > It's called NASCAR 3 and you will have to pay $60.00 for it. > > Sierra is about $$$$, not customer service. > > And judging from all the posts that defend Sierra, their buggy products, > and lack of support, we all appartently get what we deserve. > < All you have to do is look at what they did (or rather DIDN'T) do with the great football sim Dynamix made. As soon as $ierra bought Dynamix all improvements ceased. History is repeating itself all over again.......... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------- Jason Nichols Commissioner SportSim Football League http://members.aol.com/jn141414/ssfl.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------

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> Date: 16 Apr 1997 02:28:03 GMT Message-ID: > This is not a surprise. > As for the patch (and new tracks), it's on the way. > It's called NASCAR 3 and you will have to pay $60.00 for it. > Sierra is about $$$$, not customer service. > And judging from all the posts that defend Sierra, their buggy products, > and lack of support, we all appartently get what we deserve. < > I've been trying to spread the word about $$$ierra for a while now, but I > am as guilty as everyone else buying their sims. Someboady needs to stop > them from buying out the creative game companies like Dynamix and > Papyrus!!!!! > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------- > Jason Nichols > Commissioner > SportSim Football League > http://members.aol.com/jn141414/ssfl.html > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------

Then I'm definitely gonna save $60 when the ding-dong thing comes out. Gary Saucier

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>Date: 16 Apr 1997 02:53:53 GMT Message-ID: >I want to know what we need to do to get papy back this sucks papy cared >about us Sierra needs to do something before we all start a boycot of >Sierra products. Iknow that I'm not buying anymore unless it N3 or a >track pack(in about 5 years) $IERRA SUCKS BIGG TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >Rob >surprise. > > As for the patch (and new tracks), it's on the way. > > >It's called NASCAR 3 and you will have to pay $60.00 for it. > > Sierra >is about $$$$, not customer service. > > And judging from all the posts >that defend Sierra, their buggy products, > and lack of support, we all >appartently get what we deserve. > < >All you have to do is look at what they did (or rather DIDN'T) do with the >great football sim Dynamix made. As soon as $ierra bought Dynamix all >improvements ceased. History is repeating itself all over again..........

We need to SPREAD THE WORD that if these smaller companies SELL OUT to Sierra that we will stop buying their games. Then maybe Sierra can shrivel up and die like they deserve. Not only do their own games suck but everything else they touch turns to shit! Maybe they will buy Windows 95 next and I can switch to OS/2

On 16 Apr 1997 20:44:52 GMT, "Cowen Wilson"

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>You all are acting like babies. I'm not trying to act like a know it all >or anything. The fact is Sierra did take over Papyrus. Sierra is not all >about money. They do care about the customer. The real fact is if Papy >didn't have the financial backing from Sierra that it does we would not >have seen an N2 from Papy that was so much better that N1. All games have >bugs. At least the company is making a patch to fix it. A lot of big >companies don't even do that. This patch is also going to add a couple of >new features to N2. Papy and Sierra want to make sure they are getting it >right this time. They don't want to have to release another patch to patch >the patch. How does the saying go? "Good things come in time?" If you >all just be patient and wait the patch will come and it will make racing >more fun. It may even come faster if you all stop whining and ***ing >about it!!!!! >P.S. Let the flaming begin

<SNIP> The violins are now playing!Wake-up! This shit should have been included before they even released N2!!!!!! How much do they pay you? ~ Xena ~

When they released IR2 there was a patch a month or so after it was released to fix most of the bugs in it. I would just like to have papy back because it seemed like we got better answers from them, not "I don't know"or something to brush you off. Its my opinion as of right now the $ierra is all about the $$$$$$$, thet have not done any thing to impress me yet. Rob > You all are acting like babies. I'm not trying to act like a know it all > or anything. The fact is Sierra did take over Papyrus. Sierra is not all > about money. They do care about the customer. The real fact is if Papy > didn't have the financial backing from Sierra that it does we would not > have seen an N2 from Papy that was so much better that N1. All games have > bugs. At least the company is making a patch to fix it. A lot of big > companies don't even do that. This patch is also going to add a couple of > new features to N2. Papy and Sierra want to make sure they are getting it > right this time. They don't want to have to release another patch to patch

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> the patch. How does the saying go? "Good things come in time?" If you > all just be patient and wait the patch will come and it will make racing > more fun. It may even come faster if you all stop whining and ***ing > about it!!!!! > P.S. Let the flaming begin > Cowen Wilson > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7137 > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Head Car Designer > AJ's Nascar Garage http://www.webstorage.com/~ajs > > I want to know what we need to do to get papy back this sucks papy

cared > > about us Sierra needs to do something before we all start a boycot of > > Sierra products. Iknow that I'm not buying anymore unless it N3 or a > track > > pack(in about 5 years) $IERRA SUCKS BIGG TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Rob

I will never buy another game from Sierra. They have burned me with FPS Baseball 94, then the stupid procudere you have to do to get the real NFL helmets in FPS Football 96, and now N2 with its multi-play ****-up and bugs. Alot of the original people from Papy have left anyway. Can only wish another small and dedicated company comes along with future racing projects.

Date: 17 Apr 1997 01:57:58 GMT Message-ID: I will never buy another game from Sierra. They have burned me with FPS Baseball 94, then the stupid procudere you have to do to get the real NFL helmets in FPS Football 96, and now N2 with its multi-play ****-up and bugs. Alot of the original people from Papy have left anyway. Can only wish another small and dedicated company comes along with future racing projects. < I'm wishing that too, but as soon as another dedicated/creative company comes along that gives a damn about their customers another Big Brother like $$$ierra will come along to buy them out. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------- Jason Nichols Commissioner SportSim Football League http://members.aol.com/jn141414/ssfl.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------

Remember that the original message was a fake, and that there will be a real patch coming out. No, I don't mean NASCAR 3 or whatever, but a real patch.

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> When they released IR2 there was a patch a month or so after it was > released to fix most of the bugs in it. I would just like to have papy back > because it seemed like we got better answers from them, not "I don't > know"or something to brush you off. Its my opinion as of right now the > $ierra is all about the $$$$$$$, thet have not done any thing to impress me > yet. > Rob

You must be kidding. A patch for ICR2 a "month" after its release. More like many months, and it still didn't fix things. Bob Chalfin

I assume you're talking about the summer '96 release of the Win95 version of IndyCar II. True, they did patch the Win95 and DOS versions in short order. HOWEVER, it took them *eight months* to produce the patch for the *original* DOS version (from Nov/Dec '95 until the release of the Win95 version)! They also re-released the DOS version on that CD, *with new bugs that had to be patched*. Can anyone explain to me how, when you've got eight months to get it right, the new CD, with virtually the same DOS product on it, has *new bugs* that require patching?!? (There's a sentence in there somewhere. :) Papyrus has done some good stuff, like the DOS-to-Win95 patch, to try to make up for such blunders. But the fact remains, every product that they have produced has required patching (back to the "modem racing" patch fiasco of ICR1 in 1993) and, after the 8 month wait for the ICR2 patch, I think you N2 guys still have a while to cool your heels yet... :( Before you send me UCE, I know what you're thinking... Did he complain to five or six postmasters last month? Now, you must ask yourself one question: "Do I feel lucky?" Well, do you, punk?

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I was in my university bookstore the other day, and there was a copy of ICR 1 on the shelf... for $50. Any takers? ;) I almost offered the manager 10 bucks for it.

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