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Originally released in 1966, "Grand Prix" really does capture the glamour era of F1. It won 3 Academy awards and has some of the best racing footage I have ever seen on film(much more authentic than Days of Thunder). It is 3 hours long and follows fictional drivers thru a full season of F1. Some of it gets a little cheesy, but overall it is well worth a rent, or a buy. After watching this movie, I can't wait to drive Grand Prix Legends against the likes of Jimmy Clark, Graham Hill, Jackie Stewart, and Dan Gurney. I hope there is banking at Monza. Don Chapman

> After watching this movie, I can't wait > to drive Grand Prix Legends against the likes of Jimmy Clark, Graham > Hill, Jackie Stewart, and Dan Gurney. I hope there is banking at > Monza. I loved the bit where the Ferrari fell through the tree at Monza and deposited the driver in the tree, after that he died - it's funny, but is that true to life?

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>Originally released in 1966, "Grand Prix" really does capture the >glamour era of F1. It won 3 Academy awards and has some of the best >racing footage I have ever seen on film(much more authentic than Days >of Thunder). It is 3 hours long and follows fictional drivers thru a >full season of F1. Some of it gets a little cheesy, but overall it is >well worth a rent, or a buy. After watching this movie, I can't wait >to drive Grand Prix Legends against the likes of Jimmy Clark, Graham >Hill, Jackie Stewart, and Dan Gurney. I hope there is banking at >Monza. >Don Chapman

For the best racing footage of all time, you have to watch Steve McQueen in LeMans. Not much of a story line or dialogue but lots of authentic racing action. -Al

Amen. Whenever I think of fast cars or racing, I can't help but think of McQueen and LeMans and Bullet. I really miss that guy. Best Regards, Marc Marc J. Nelson Sim Racing News - USA / Sim Racing Online / The Sim Project / iRACE

<snip> well worth a rent, or a buy. After watching this movie, I can't wait I don't think there will be banking at Monza if it is based on the '67 season (as seems likely). The track was in a similar configuration to the one used today, although without the chicanes. Alan Head Screamer 2 homepages: http://www.feature.demon.co.uk/games.htm ----------------------------------------- Grand Prix Legends (from Papyrus) page http://www.feature.demon.co.uk/gpl/gpl.htm __________________________________________

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>> After watching this movie, I can't wait >> to drive Grand Prix Legends against the likes of Jimmy Clark, Graham >> Hill, Jackie Stewart, and Dan Gurney. I hope there is banking at >> Monza. >I loved the bit where the Ferrari fell through the tree at Monza and >deposited the driver in the tree, after that he died - it's funny, but >is that true to life?

I don't think that's particularly funny, but it is sorta true to life. The inspiration for this incident in the film probably comes from the death of the Ferrari driver Wolfgang von Trips in the (I think) 1961 race at Monza. von Trips was leading the championship when he crashed out at the Parabolica corner (on the flat circuit), killing himself and several spectators. Phil Hill went on to win the championship as a result, just like Garner's character in the movie Alan Head Screamer 2 homepages: http://www.feature.demon.co.uk/games.htm ----------------------------------------- Grand Prix Legends (from Papyrus) page http://www.feature.demon.co.uk/gpl/gpl.htm __________________________________________

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BC4376.55F2AAE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pretty close, Tom. there was a Ferrari driver killed at that curve when his car went over the embankment. Whether he actually flew out of it and through a tree, I don't know. -- Bruce #31 JPS-Vegemite: http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/vegemiteracing/index.htm Stunned Mullet: http://www.netspeed.com.au/StunnedMullet/index.htm ------=_NextPart_000_01BC4376.55F2AAE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head></head><BODY bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><p><font size=3D2 = color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Comic Sans MS">Pretty close, Tom. &nbsp;there = was a Ferrari driver killed at that curve when his car went over the = embankment. &nbsp;Whether he actually flew out of it and through a tree, = I don't know.<br>-- <br><br>Bruce #31<br>JPS-Vegemite: <font = color=3D"#0000FF"><u>http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/vegemiteracing/ind= ex.htm</u><font color=3D"#000000"><br>Stunned Mullet: <font = color=3D"#0000FF"><u>http://www.netspeed.com.au/StunnedMullet/index.htm</= u><font color=3D"#000000"><br><br><br></p> </font></font></font></font></font></body></html> ------=_NextPart_000_01BC4376.55F2AAE0--

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> I don't think that's particularly funny, but it is sorta true to life. > The inspiration for this incident in the film probably comes from the > death of the Ferrari driver Wolfgang von Trips in the (I think) 1961 > race at Monza. von Trips was leading the championship when he crashed > out at the Parabolica corner (on the flat circuit), killing himself > and several spectators. Phil Hill went on to win the championship as a > result, just like Garner's character in the movie > Alan Head

Von Trips got tangled up with Jim Clarke, and did a bunch of end over ends into the crowd. It was not unusual for drivers to be thrown from the car at all. Nomex didn't come along until like the middle of '68. Mark Mooney

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>> I don't think that's particularly funny, but it is sorta true to life. >> The inspiration for this incident in the film probably comes from the >> death of the Ferrari driver Wolfgang von Trips in the (I think) 1961 >> race at Monza. von Trips was leading the championship when he crashed >> out at the Parabolica corner (on the flat circuit), killing himself >> and several spectators. Phil Hill went on to win the championship as a >> result, just like Garner's character in the movie >> Alan Head >Von Trips got tangled up with Jim Clarke, and did a bunch of end over >ends into the crowd. It was not unusual for drivers to be thrown from >the car at all. Nomex didn't come along until like the middle of '68. >Mark Mooney

As I recall, there was also a driver to go out of the banking, and be killed, just like the Yves Montland character in the film. For the life of me, I cannot remember the drivers name. If I recall correctly, it was similar to that of the character Montland played in the film. But I could be mistaken. Brandon Reed

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> >> I don't think that's particularly funny, but it is sorta true to life. > >> The inspiration for this incident in the film probably comes from the > >> death of the Ferrari driver Wolfgang von Trips in the (I think) 1961 > >> race at Monza. von Trips was leading the championship when he crashed > >> out at the Parabolica corner (on the flat circuit), killing himself > >> and several spectators. Phil Hill went on to win the championship as a > >> result, just like Garner's character in the movie > >> Alan Head > >Von Trips got tangled up with Jim Clarke, and did a bunch of end over > >ends into the crowd. It was not unusual for drivers to be thrown from > >the car at all. Nomex didn't come along until like the middle of '68. > >Mark Mooney > As I recall, there was also a driver to go out of the banking, and be > killed, just like the Yves Montland character in the film. For the > life of me, I cannot remember the drivers name. If I recall > correctly, it was similar to that of the character Montland played in > the film. > But I could be mistaken. > Brandon Reed

Question is, are we getting the banking in the sim? I checked a couple of books at home, and one of em, RennSport, the annual, shows the banking and the rest of the track on the track map, as if they ran both in '67. I was also thrilled to see the 14.2 mi fill Nurburgring was one of the 11 tracks in '67. Moon

In 67 Monza had no more banking. The track looked similiar to the one we have today. But there should be the old long Nurburgring in the sim. I wonder how Papy will manage this. Klaus Hoerbrand Germany

On Wed, 09 Apr 1997 09:10:31 -0700, "Mark E. Mooney" <snip> Nope, no banking in the sim if it is true to the '67 championship. The track used in 67 was almost identical to the one used today with the exception of all those annoying little chicanes! As a result, it still holds the record for the fastest (highest average speed) GP ever run (early 1970s race, I forget which year). On the subject of tracks, the great thing is that it should also include a 14km Spa-Francorchamps, a flat-out version of Silverstone, and Mosport in Canada (apparently a terrifyingly good track according to some Canadian friends of mine) Alan Head Screamer 2 homepages: http://www.feature.demon.co.uk/games.htm ----------------------------------------- Grand Prix Legends (from Papyrus) page http://www.feature.demon.co.uk/gpl/gpl.htm __________________________________________

> On the subject of tracks, the great thing is that it should also > include a 14km Spa-Francorchamps, a flat-out version of > Silverstone, and Mosport in Canada (apparently a terrifyingly > good track according to some Canadian friends of mine) >Alan Head Corner Two at Mosport is often [and rightfully] listed amongst the top-ten most challenging turns in the world, along with other favourites like Eau-Rouge at Spa and The CorkScrew at Laguna Seca. -Ferdinand-

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> Nope, no banking in the sim if it is true to the '67 championship. The > track used in 67 was almost identical to the one used today with the > exception of all those annoying little chicanes! As a result, it still > holds the record for the fastest (highest average speed) GP ever run > (early 1970s race, I forget which year). On the subject of tracks, the > great thing is that it should also include a 14km Spa-Francorchamps, a > flat-out version of Silverstone, and Mosport in Canada (apparently a > terrifyingly good track according to some Canadian friends of mine)

Yep Mosport IS a really great track. But F1 went out of there (AFAIK) because it was not safe. So they went to Mt-Tremblant after (F1) which wasn't safe so now it's at Montreal (Circuit Gilles Villeneuve). And also I have two 1966 books. And there are awesome. One is from Giancarlo Baghetti (a great driver) and the other is from Piero Taruffi AND Juan Manuel Fangio (!!!!!). And there is some great pics of 1966 cars (close of the 67 cars). But there is also track maps. Here is some that are maybe in the 1967 season. Sebring, Silverstone (the REAL track), Buenos Aires (like F1 this week), Aintree, Nurburgring (22,810km), Zandvoort, Spa-Francorchamps (14,120km), Monte-Carlo, Imola, Monza, etc. AFAIK also there is the Country of each F1 race in the book. If you know the track please reply. Monaco, Belgium, France, England, Holland, Germany, Italy, USA, Mexico. In England I don't what race: Crystal Palace, Brands Hatch or Silverstone. Maybe if I find a scanner I will post some pics in alt.binaries.simulators.autos. Monza and Nurbuburgring pics are great. Thanks a lot, Good race at the Brickyard, (Old'Indytrack guy in rec.autos.simulators) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ =ymenard now!!! SPEED- http://www.nascarnet.com/~speed [===] Go Rubens Barrichello, Jacques Villeneuve, | ! | And all you that thinks that Jacques Villeneuve is |!| from Canada, your right!! He's from St-Jean sur le |o| Richelieu, 30 minutes from Montreal, Quebec, Canada. [--I--] v Fran?ois Mnard "Wasupe LeGrand" May the force be with you, always!! Que la force soit avec toi, jamais!(for you French people) Excuse me for my poor English(I'm French speaking)

Are you sure it's turn 2 at Mosport and not the turn 5/Moss complex? Or is turn 2 one where the track drops away from you as you're going around? Rick

>>Corner Two at Mosport is often [and rightfully] listed amongst the >>top-ten most challenging turns in the world... They're both good but, having had the distinct pleasure of once racing at Mosport, I'm convinced it's Corner Two. I was driving an '88 Honda Civic. In an underpowered car like the Civic, Corner Two is approached flat out. I cannot imagine what it would be like in an F1 car!!! If you're a rookie and wimp like me, you will find it very hard to resist lifting off the throttle when approaching the brink. Corner Two drops away steeply to the left into a valley. The turn in point is somewhere [but where dammit?] just before the crest, the apex is just beyond. The *** is that you cannot see where the corner goes until it's too late to turn anymore. You have to commit yourself to a line and hold it because, as the car sails over the crest, the car gets very light and it refuses to turn anymore. Any late attempts at course corrections will [at best] see you fetch up backwards at the bottom of the hill. You better hope you aren't pointing at the green stuff as you crest the hill. As the car falls into the valley and gradually bottoms out, the suspension compresses and loads up tremendously so there's all kinds of grip for the remainder of the turn. Each time over this curve I'd try a slightly different line. And I never got it right once the whole weekend. Each time as I approached the crest I'd be thinking, "too fast, Too Fast, Way TOO FAST, OH GOD I'M GONNA DIE!" But as the car was squeezed back down onto its suspension at the bottom of the hill and the cornering loads again tried to stretch the tires off the rims, I'd be thinking instead, "WAY too slow, you wimp!, next time around, don't back off". I once heard someone describe Mosport's Corner Two as the ultimate cojone caliper for determining who's got the biggest. -Ferdinand-

<SNIP> The track list for the 1967 season is on my website now (www.feature.demon.co.uk/gpl/gpl.htm). If you could do some scans I would really appreciate it! Alan Head Screamer 2 homepages: http://www.feature.demon.co.uk/games.htm ----------------------------------------- Grand Prix Legends (from Papyrus) page http://www.feature.demon.co.uk/gpl/gpl.htm __________________________________________

<snip> Sounds very similar to Paddock bend at Brands Hatch in England. This comes at the end of the start/finish straight and I would guess is approached at about 200mph in a F1 car. Very slight crest (which causes negative load on the suspension) before plunging into a downhill 80 degree right-hander that compresses like hell at the bottom and then spits you out up the hill towards Druids hairpin (scene of a demon move by Hunt on Lauda in the '76 F1 championship) Doesn't look that steep on TV but it is extremely difficult to walk up (or down for that matter). Scene of numerous 1st lap shunts and some real demon overtaking maneuvers. Can't wait to see Mosport in the game! Alan Head Screamer 2 homepages: http://www.feature.demon.co.uk/games.htm ----------------------------------------- Grand Prix Legends (from Papyrus) page http://www.feature.demon.co.uk/gpl/gpl.htm __________________________________________

>Sounds very similar to Paddock bend at Brands Hatch in England. >slight crest before plunging into a downhill... >that compresses like hell at the bottom... >then ... up the hill... Yes. "Real tracks" must have elevation changes! There is a cool scene in the movie "Grand Prix", one of the artsy soft focus shots, showing the cars going from full suspension droop to full compression. The cars back then certainly had a lot more suspension travel than nowadays. -Ferdinand-

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>> For the best racing footage of all time, you have to watch Steve >> McQueen in LeMans. Not much of a story line or dialogue but lots of >> authentic racing action. >> -Al >Amen. Whenever I think of fast cars or racing, I can't help but think >of McQueen and LeMans and Bullet. I really miss that guy.

Everything was great about that movie except the engine sound effects. They probably used only three or four loops for the entire film! And sometimes the syncing was pretty noticibly off. Gregory Fung Vancouver, B.C., Canada

Amen. Whenever I think of fast cars or racing, I can't help but think

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> >of McQueen and LeMans and Bullet. I really miss that guy. > Everything was great about that movie except the engine sound effects. They > probably used only three or four loops for the entire film! And sometimes > the syncing was pretty noticibly off. > Gregory Fung > Vancouver, B.C., Canada

I could certainly live with the engine noises (especially the 917 from inside the cocpit!) if there was only some way to get rid of that annoying and inappropriate Michel LeGrand music! I wonder where the rest of the footage they shot (both trackside and from the modified 908) ever got to? I would definitely pay real money to see about, oh, 24 hours of that spliced together... Bart Brown

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>>> For the best racing footage of all time, you have to watch Steve >>> McQueen in LeMans. Not much of a story line or dialogue but lots of >>> authentic racing action. >>> -Al >>Amen. Whenever I think of fast cars or racing, I can't help but think >>of McQueen and LeMans and Bullet. I really miss that guy. >Everything was great about that movie except the engine sound effects. They >probably used only three or four loops for the entire film! And sometimes >the syncing was pretty noticibly off.

I haven't seen Le Mans in years, but my recommendation goes out for "Grand Prix". Great footage, great sound. (won Oscars for both). Make sure you get the old video version, which goes to Letterbox (widescreen) format for the montage shots. The new one doesn't, and it really takes away from the film. Brandon