NRO RACING COMPUTER

Drivers: Papyrus I hope you are listening!!!! How does the saying go: "If you think it butter but its not its chiffon" Well the same thing might apply to racing on the NRO!! One of hawaii's best called me about 4 months ago and explained to me that he had developed a twin computer for HAWAII racing. You see when he races HAWAII he passes all the data from his computer into and through another computer. The 2nd computer was used to record and break the HAWAII COMMUNICATIONS PROTOCOL that is what papyrus receives from our station. You see when we are racing we are not really running on PAPYRUS's computer we are running on our computer. And since the data from the HAWAII in race mode is neither compressed or encrypted and its transmiited in PLAIN MODE. If you want to enhance your performance all you have to do is modify the PAPYRUS language that is spoken by your computer when in race mode!! If you want to go faster just tell the computer so its can tell PAPYRUS so it can tell all the other racers computers where you are positioned on the track. This would allow users to run laps over 250mph or unlimted speeds at any track. With this dual system racing configuration he has the ability to race alittle and than let the computer race alittle. He can actaully toggle between the twin computers from REAL to AI to REAL mode and conceal what he is doing!!!!!!!!! When the computer kicks in it can always stay a couple cars lengths ahead of the pack. This form of language modification is totally 100% undetectable. Now this can all be prevented and I hope PAPYRUS figures it out. Don Wilshe, IVGA

You wouldn't be talking about Huggins now would you Don?So thats how he does it I told ya he cheats,you can call it what you want but it's cheating!!!Oh by the way about the Testing not Racing it says right on The Message of The Day letter when you first come on Hawaii any usage of external programs or Hardware of any type is strictly prohibted and will not be allowed.The only reason Huggins is still on is because they are tring to figure out how he does it and how to stop it,I believe and I also believe he won't be allowed in the NRO either we'll just have to wait and see. Robert

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> Drivers: Papyrus I hope you are listening!!!! > How does the saying go: > "If you think it butter but its not its chiffon" > Well the same thing might apply to racing on the NRO!! > One of hawaii's best called me about 4 months ago and explained to > me that he had developed a twin computer for HAWAII racing. > You see when he races HAWAII he passes all the data from his computer > into and through another computer. The 2nd computer was used > to record and break the HAWAII COMMUNICATIONS PROTOCOL that > is what papyrus receives from our station. You see when we > are racing we are not really running on PAPYRUS's computer > we are running on our computer. And since the data from > the HAWAII in race mode is neither compressed or encrypted > and its transmiited in PLAIN MODE. > If you want to enhance your performance all you have to do > is modify the PAPYRUS language that is spoken by your computer > when in race mode!! > If you want to go faster just tell the computer so its can > tell PAPYRUS so it can tell all the other racers computers > where you are positioned on the track. This would allow > users to run laps over 250mph or unlimted speeds at any > track. With this dual system racing configuration he has > the ability to race alittle and than let the computer race > alittle. He can actaully toggle between the twin computers > from REAL to AI to REAL mode and conceal what he is doing!!!!!!!!! > When the computer kicks in it can always stay > a couple cars lengths ahead of the pack. This form of > language modification is totally 100% undetectable. > Now this can all be prevented and I hope PAPYRUS figures it out. > Don Wilshe, IVGA

wow how exciting to be able to win a race like this... please people there is a right and a wrong. why cant everyone just race within the limitations of the game. atleast I know when I go out there and win its because of my hard work not because I have use of computer knowledge that not everyone has... besides if someone has to do this to win they are truely pathetic.... -- Brian Motisko 717-876-5536 http://members.aol.com/bmotisko/private/index.htm

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> > Drivers: Papyrus I hope you are listening!!!! > > How does the saying go: > > "If you think it butter but its not its chiffon" > > Well the same thing might apply to racing on the NRO!! > > One of hawaii's best called me about 4 months ago and explained to > > me that he had developed a twin computer for HAWAII racing. > > You see when he races HAWAII he passes all the data from his computer > > into and through another computer. The 2nd computer was used > > to record and break the HAWAII COMMUNICATIONS PROTOCOL that > > is what papyrus receives from our station. You see when we > > are racing we are not really running on PAPYRUS's computer > > we are running on our computer. And since the data from > > the HAWAII in race mode is neither compressed or encrypted > > and its transmiited in PLAIN MODE. > > If you want to enhance your performance all you have to do > > is modify the PAPYRUS language that is spoken by your computer > > when in race mode!! > > If you want to go faster just tell the computer so its can > > tell PAPYRUS so it can tell all the other racers computers > > where you are positioned on the track. This would allow > > users to run laps over 250mph or unlimted speeds at any > > track. With this dual system racing configuration he has > > the ability to race alittle and than let the computer race > > alittle. He can actaully toggle between the twin computers > > from REAL to AI to REAL mode and conceal what he is doing!!!!!!!!! > > When the computer kicks in it can always stay > > a couple cars lengths ahead of the pack. This form of > > language modification is totally 100% undetectable. > > Now this can all be prevented and I hope PAPYRUS figures it out. > > Don Wilshe, IVGA > wow how exciting to be able to win a race like this... please people > there is a right and a wrong. why cant everyone just race within the > limitations of the game. atleast I know when I go out there and win its > because of my hard work not because I have use of computer knowledge > that not everyone has... besides if someone has to do this to win they > are truely pathetic.... > -- > Brian Motisko > 717-876-5536 > http://members.aol.com/bmotisko/private/index.htm

Brian: Totally agree and you show me a NASCAR team that hasnt been caught cheating. Its just a sign of the times. Wait until we start racing for money and you will really see the problem at hand!!! Don Wilshe, IVGA

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>If you want to go faster just tell the computer so its can >tell PAPYRUS so it can tell all the other racers computers >where you are positioned on the track. This would allow >users to run laps over 250mph or unlimted speeds at any >track. With this dual system racing configuration he has >the ability to race alittle and than let the computer race >alittle. He can actaully toggle between the twin computers >from REAL to AI to REAL mode and conceal what he is doing!!!!!!!!! >When the computer kicks in it can always stay >a couple cars lengths ahead of the pack. This form of >language modification is totally 100% undetectable.

Booooooonk... Sorry, incorrect answer! It is detectable. Even if this guy wrote perfect code, sooner or later the greedy little worm will push too far and run beyond the original physics limtations of the Sim under certain circumstances and expose himself. He may even go so far that laymen can see it in a replay. This is not to mention counter measures that could be applied by the servers on an ongoing basis. Member - Hawaii Ace League http://www.dithots.org/hal

I agree!! If someone out there finds it necessary to cheat in order to win a darn online racing simulation they need to have their head examined. This is, after all, JUST A GAME! I don't get paided for this in fact it cost me plenty to enjoy this racing forum. I hope that Hawaii understands this. I think they have enjoyed a greater amount of success then they originally anticipated. But, let the word get out that people are cheating, and getting away with it, I think they will see the popularity of Nascar Racing Online dwindle. And for those out there that find it necessary to cheat, SHAME ON YOU AND GET A LIFE! -- Have a good day!

>>Sorry, incorrect answer! It is detectable. >Please explain.. We'll, one of MANY ways would be to descreetly design limitations into the physics engine that did not allow the car to cross certain barriers under certain circumstances, regardless of the set up being used. Rate of acceleration on certain parts of specific tracks is one that comes to mind. It's going to be an ongoing process to keep the RATs off the fence and to keep them from storming the fort. Hacks do and will continue to evolve because some people choose to use their god given talents inappropriately (see Wernher von Braun). I would gladly download an update every month if it would keep hackers too busy to have any fun. Ha! Common sense says; the same disease that made them do it in the first place will make it hard for them to stop at a certain point, especially if they don't know where the line is. If you want an answer from somebody who knows this problem first hand, contact Huggins!!! Oh heck, I'm sure you know who to contact ;-) PS. The rats have gotten fat and brave. They're coming out of the woodwork.... Cool, we can line them up in our sites now! I believe Papy knows exactly what they are doing by letting things get a bit out of hand on Hawaii. Member - Hawaii Ace League http://www.dithots.org/hal

Maybe we'll see some hefty fines in the 13th division just like we see in the flagship division! (g) Got your checkbook handy?

Julian Data says in this thread: Julian Data says in another thread: Is this a case of the variable connotation for the word "test"? I agree that cheating is hard to define exactly. There are grey areas. I also believe there is alot more black and white than most competitors want to admit. I think if most guys dig deep in their conscience, they'll know whether it's right or wrong. Unfortunately, the worst trap is when you say to yourself "everybody else is doing it so I gotta do it to survive". This drags in alot of guys who might otherwise be fairly decent human beings. Forget fines and the like, the threat of permanent expulsion from the NROS would be a good deterrent for a large number of guys. Just some thoughts, Member - Hawaii Ace League http://www.dithots.org/hal

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> Brian: > Totally agree and you show me a NASCAR team that hasnt > been caught cheating. Its just a sign of the times. > Wait until we start racing for money and you will really > see the problem at hand!!! > Don Wilshe, IVGA

I may be mistaken but I remember reading in the latest Sierra Interaction magazine that the NRO would not be racing for money. Was I the only one who saw that? Dana Bailes

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> Brian: > Totally agree and you show me a NASCAR team that hasnt > been caught cheating. Its just a sign of the times. > Wait until we start racing for money and you will really > see the problem at hand!!! > Don Wilshe, IVGA

Also Don, will we race REALLY for money???? I think that extra credits would be more OK for NRO. If were going to race for money well look out'boy it's going to be total cheating carnage. It's not like real NASCAR. It's simulation. And it's not the best racers in the world that will be there (I'm only a above-average driver and I do more stupid things on the track than TLabonte [-: ). Because if you wan't to cheat with NASCAR 1 or 2 it's correct. But it's unfair that normal people on NRO would not be able to do so. If you have a cracked N1 or N2 game at your house it's OK. It's you that doesn't have the courage of racing without cheating (the "you" that I write means the entire SimRacing community). Hope that NRO will be a wall for hackers. Not like Hawaii. Thanks a lot, Good race at the Brickyard, (Old'Indytrack guy in rec.autos.simulators) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ =ymenard now!!! SPEED- http://www.nascarnet.com/~speed [===] Go Rubens Barrichello, Jacques Villeneuve, | ! | And all you that thinks that Jacques Villeneuve is |!| from Canada, your right!! He's from St-Jean sur le |o| Richelieu, 30 minutes from Montreal, Quebec, Canada. [--I--] v Fran?ois Mnard "Wasupe LeGrand" May the force be with you, always!! Que la force soit avec toi, jamais!(for you French people) Excuse me for my poor English(I'm French speaking)

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> >I may be mistaken but I remember reading in the latest Sierra > >Interaction magazine that the NRO would not be racing for money. Was I > >the only one who saw that? > >Dana Bailes > Hey Dana.. > I see the "lil thread" you have in 3DFX news server!! Alot of stubborn > people out there!!; ) Keep it up!!

Some people just believe what they want to. Some people read what they want to also. I guess Sierra was just being careful not to commit to anything. The sniveling cowards. DLB

SHEEEEEEEEIT! I take my hat off to that man. I reckon I could probably manage a 200mph lap at Bristol before I could code something like that. Anyone who has that much talent _deserves_ to win! Heck, imagine if he turned all that time and talent to testing and developing setups? We'd all get creamed :-) Okay, I'm kidding, but I'm both impressed and appalled that someone could and would go to such lengths for that! Wow..... Cheers! John