OK Jim enough of the BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok we understand that a save game option will be part of the patch. The question is when the hell will the patch be out? One week? One month? Six months? One year? Five years? Nascar 3? Not to mention NRO on TEN?????????????? Give the people that spend all the money on your sims some definitive answers!! Former papy/sierra game buyer, Richard Manning

I can understand your wanting to know the answer to this question. However, Jim Sokoloff is a developer at Papyrus who has concretely stated on this forum that his focus is Nascar Racing 3. He attempts to provide feedback on this forum to help out users of Papurus' sims. However, developers are not in a position to publically disclose release dates of products - this is for marketing and sales folks. Although your request may be valid - your target is not. /THansen

...nor is the tone. Marc

Since Mr. Sololoff's focus is NASCAR 3, I'd like to be first in line to request that they not rush the product to market (even if X-mas is approaching). Another request is a product that has appropriate VESA drivers included, does not require you to load a mouse driver, and does not require additional programming to get sound. In short, a racing program that will load on a computer as advertised in all that glossy advertising Sierra purchases. I could get crazy and ask for a "SAVE" option and a less demand program engine, so you can actually get a game looking like the one on the box. But at this point, I'd be happy with N2 just RUNNING (and saving). Love GP2, Loved the Original NASCAR game. But N2 bites. Maybe it's like Star Trek movies, every other one sucks. In any case, I'm hoping for a better product in NASCAR 3. Or that will be the last product of Sierra's I purchase. I also realize that PAPYRUS is a sacred cow on this newsgroup, drawing ugly flames when anyone complains. But I live in America.....Freedom of Speech Baby!

This is a known problem with releasing a DOS game into a market where most computers come pre-installed with Win95, and do not have the correct DOS drivers loaded at the factory. Future Win95-native releases should solve the above problems, but will introduce problems of their own... VESA drivers are video card specific. We ship UniVBE with the game; I'm not sure what more we could POSSIBLY do for that situation! Oh, there's been plenty of sacred cows being ground into Papyrus-burgers lately here... :-) ---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus

Perhaps a closer look at YOUR system will help. I hear there is a new Star Trek coming out soon. The studio is hoping to have it done by X-mas. HEY. If you dont like the game....Puit it back in the box and go get a refund!!

Unfortunately, now adays if a piece of software has been opened the store will not take it back for a refund. You can only exchange it for the same piece of software. They get you comming and going. If possible I usually try to rent a piece of software before I buy it, to make sure that I think it is worth the money. I think that NASCAR 2 is superior to NASCAR 1 overall. I would like the save games though and the double file restarts, basically everything that NASCAR has changed since the last version of the sim. matt

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>> HEY. If you dont like the game....Puit it back in the box and go get a >> refund!! >Unfortunately, now adays if a piece of software has been opened the >store will not take it back for a refund. You can only exchange it for >the same piece of software. They get you comming and going. If >possible I usually try to rent a piece of software before I buy it, to >make sure that I think it is worth the money.

I know that this is some vendors' policy, but Sierra has a 30-day money back guarantee that is *in addition* to anything the vendor gives. So, if you're vendor's policy is as above, you can go directly to Sierra, so at least you aren't 100% SOL. (You still probably have to pay postage, and wait a couple of weeks, but it's better than getting stuck with a game that you either a) truly dislike, or b) won't run on your system.) This is actually one very noticeable, very tangible improvement since the takeover... (as Papyrus had never made such an offer...) ---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus

: > HEY. If you dont like the game....Puit it back in the box and go get a : > refund!! : Unfortunately, now adays if a piece of software has been opened the : store will not take it back for a refund. You can only exchange it for : the same piece of software. They get you comming and going. If : possible I usually try to rent a piece of software before I buy it, to : make sure that I think it is worth the money. One may have to pay a few bucks more, but there are a few software vendors which will allow software returns for cash withing a certain window. I know that Electronics Boutique offers such within I believe 30 days. I exercise my consumer power and usually buy from them because of this policy. If more people exercised their "consumer power", we would have more power. I firmly believe that one of the reasons Egghead Software has run into problems was their decision years ago to stop their policy of software returns. At the time there was a concerted effort to "boycott" Egghead. Along with other bad corporate decisions, I think this is why Egghead now has egg on its face. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

: : > HEY. If you dont like the game....Puit it back in the box and go get a : : > refund!! : : : Unfortunately, now adays if a piece of software has been opened the : : store will not take it back for a refund. You can only exchange it for : : the same piece of software. They get you comming and going. If : : possible I usually try to rent a piece of software before I buy it, to : : make sure that I think it is worth the money. : : One may have to pay a few bucks more, but there are a few software : vendors which will allow software returns for cash withing a certain : window. I know that Electronics Boutique offers such within I believe : 30 days. I exercise my consumer power and usually buy from them : because of this policy. : : If more people exercised their "consumer power", we would have more : power. I firmly believe that one of the reasons Egghead Software : has run into problems was their decision years ago to stop their : policy of software returns. At the time there was a concerted : effort to "boycott" Egghead. Along with other bad corporate : decisions, I think this is why Egghead now has egg on its face. Not to mention that EVERYTHING in Egghead is overpriced! : : -- : **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* : Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. : =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Oh, give it a rest, for God's sake! It will arrive when it arrives. -- Bruce #31 "....and if I'm not mistaken....and I AM mistaken...." (Murray Walker) VRE Site: http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/vegemiteracing/index.htm The STUNNED MULLET: http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/StunnedMullet/index.htm

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

As a former Egghead shopper who did stop buying there because of their change of policy, I also think that is what started their downhill slide. I haven't had to return any games lately but I sure feel better walking out of Electronic Boutique with that new game that came out yesterday knowing I can bring it back if turns out to be a stinker. If more people returned their unsatisfactory games instead of just griping on and on about the same bugs, I think we would have less buggy software coming out since the manufacturers would lose significant cash by having to refund purchase prices. I AM glad to see Egghead paying for their stupid policy, maybe other retailers will learn a lesson from this. Cheers. --John -- Note: my real e-mail address is below. Delete the asterisks. ------------------------------+-------------------------- Seattle, Washington USA. | http://www.cool.com/~jsilva

Hear Hear. Some people are just plain rude. Jim obviously loves his job and there is know question about his knowledge of Nascar physics with some of his answers. I just dont understand why they cant get it into there heads that he is not the ***y sales rep. and has nothing to do with release dates. I am*** out just like everyone else on the patch but everyone must understand Jim just enjoys being here like we all do and can not give anymore details than he already has. I feel like moaning to about it to some times but I know it will be ready when its ready. At least we will have a patch. Not like the Microprose chaps. Shane Lansky Hobart,Tasmania Australia