Settle Down, Everyone...

To All on R.A.S.: I have tried this before, but to no avail. One last time. We all need to stop this bickering over the "best" racing simulation (which usually, 99%, winds up with mindless personal attacks) and concentrate on what is being released right now. Yes, NASCAR Racing has its flaws. Yes, IndyCar Racing has its bugs. Yes, NASCAR Racing 2 has its shortcomings. Yes, IndyCar Racing II has its deficiencies. Yes, Grand Prix 2 has its share of all. But they are ALL great games/sims, and that's why so many people even on this newsgroup have bought one or more of them, and are satisfied. Wanna race stock cars around a high banked oval? NASCAR Racing (or '2'). Looking for the thrill of 240mph shooting about Indianapolis? IndyCar Racing (or '2' as well). How about sliding through a European chicane in a V12 powered racer? Grand Prix 2 is there. Look. There are many simulators being released right under our noses, and their producers are hoping we'll tear our eyes away from this screen to see what they're like. Why don't we give other, new sim writers a chance instead of moaning over the regretted purchases of crappy games. It's all point-of-view. You could get a thousand people to say Grand Prix 2 is beta, unfinished, total crud, and that Geoff Crammond should be drug out into the street and shot (to quote Garfield). Then you could get a thousand people that will tell you Grand Prix 2 is groundbreaking, tremendous, the best F1 racing game yet, etc. Is there an end? No. Don't you think Geoff Crammond himself is reading this newsgroup and seeing what chaos he's brought about? He's got our money, as do Papyrus, Psygnosis, Electronic Arts, and all other racing sim makers. Close your eyes and imagine Crammond laughing hysterically at the little children having temper tantrums. Do you like this image? If not, DON'T BUY MICROPROSE GAMES ANYMORE. Simple as that! Try something else. Power F1. Starting Grid. Sega Rally Championship. Or go back to old greats like F1GP, Indy 500, and Test Drive III. My point is: If you buy a carton of 2% milk, and don't like the taste but still want 2% milk, try another brand! Don't give up on milk altogether! And don't walk around the store insulting everyone who has that brand in their shopping cart! Respond in whatever ways you wish. John P. Wilson :|: Formula 1, IndyCar (whoops, CART), and NASCAR racefan - mostly in that order.

SNIP! Well said. Somehow I doubt if people will listen though. Myself I think some of the people beating a dead horse with a stick spend too much time posting when they should be driving sims ;-) Cheers. --John (fan of ICR2, GP2, Nascar2, NFS, ICR1, F1GP1, TestDrive2, Stunts etc.) -- Note: my real e-mail address is below. Delete the asterisks. ------------------------------+-------------------------- Seattle, Washington USA. | http://www.cool.com/~jsilva

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> >To All on R.A.S.: > >I have tried this before, but to no avail. One last time. We all need > >to stop this bickering over the "best" racing simulation (which usually, > >99%, winds up with mindless personal attacks) and concentrate on what is > >being released right now. > SNIP! > Well said. Somehow I doubt if people will listen though. Myself I think > some of the people beating a dead horse with a stick spend too much time > posting when they should be driving sims ;-) > Cheers. > --John (fan of ICR2, GP2, Nascar2, NFS, ICR1, F1GP1, TestDrive2, Stunts etc.) > -- > Note: my real e-mail address is below. Delete the asterisks. > ------------------------------+-------------------------- > Seattle, Washington USA. | http://www.cool.com/~jsilva

OK guys, put your sticks down and back away from my horse.

Unfortunately, John, you are preaching to the deaf, showing to the blind and *** a dead horse....all those metaphors :-) The RAS, by it's very nature, will only ever consist of a tiny minority of all those across the world who buy racing simulations and, as is seen in everyday life, a hard-core minority group usually tends to be very vocal and individually focused. I can assure you that the bean-counters with the major entertainment software companies pay little heed to the outpourings of such a clique when the money is raining in from the majority who go to their retailer, buy the game and remain forever completely anonymous. Of a survey taken (locally) late last year of customers for racing sims, less than 11% had any intention of playing the game either "on-line" or with an "off-line" league and less than 3% had ever heard of the RAS. Of those surveyed, more than 70% used the internet. Conclusion: If I were a software developer I would be more concerned about feed-back, good or otherwise, through the customer-retailer-wholesaler-distributor channel than through anything I might read on the RAS. BK

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> To All on R.A.S.: > I have tried this before, but to no avail. One last time. We all need > to stop this bickering over the "best" racing simulation (which usually, > 99%, winds up with mindless personal attacks) and concentrate on what is > being released right now. > Yes, NASCAR Racing has its flaws. Yes, IndyCar Racing has its bugs. > Yes, NASCAR Racing 2 has its shortcomings. Yes, IndyCar Racing II has > its deficiencies. Yes, Grand Prix 2 has its share of all. But they are > ALL great games/sims, and that's why so many people even on this > newsgroup have bought one or more of them, and are satisfied. Wanna > race stock cars around a high banked oval? NASCAR Racing (or '2'). > Looking for the thrill of 240mph shooting about Indianapolis? IndyCar > Racing (or '2' as well). How about sliding through a European chicane > in a V12 powered racer? Grand Prix 2 is there. > Look. There are many simulators being released right under our noses, > and their producers are hoping we'll tear our eyes away from this screen > to see what they're like. Why don't we give other, new sim writers a > chance instead of moaning over the regretted purchases of crappy games. > It's all point-of-view. You could get a thousand people to say Grand > Prix 2 is beta, unfinished, total crud, and that Geoff Crammond should > be drug out into the street and shot (to quote Garfield). Then you > could get a thousand people that will tell you Grand Prix 2 is > groundbreaking, tremendous, the best F1 racing game yet, etc. Is there > an end? > No. > Don't you think Geoff Crammond himself is reading this newsgroup and > seeing what chaos he's brought about? He's got our money, as do > Papyrus, Psygnosis, Electronic Arts, and all other racing sim makers. > Close your eyes and imagine Crammond laughing hysterically at the little > children having temper tantrums. Do you like this image? If not, DON'T > BUY MICROPROSE GAMES ANYMORE. Simple as that! Try something else. > Power F1. Starting Grid. Sega Rally Championship. Or go back to old > greats like F1GP, Indy 500, and Test Drive III. > My point is: If you buy a carton of 2% milk, and don't like the taste > but still want 2% milk, try another brand! Don't give up on milk > altogether! And don't walk around the store insulting everyone who has > that brand in their shopping cart! > Respond in whatever ways you wish. > John P. Wilson :|: > Formula 1, IndyCar (whoops, CART), and NASCAR racefan - mostly in that > order.

what he said. Crash

> My point is: If you buy a carton of 2% milk, and don't like the taste > but still want 2% milk, try another brand! Don't give up on milk > altogether! And don't walk around the store insulting everyone who has > that brand in their shopping cart! What can we say more... I think people like you should post more frequently. I personnaly was the "Pole Position is the best sim" :) type of person two months ago. That's when I realize that each of them has it's personnal touch that makes them unique. I hope that the new F1 sims coming out in 1-2 months will be each unique in their style (hope they will be SIMS not ARCADE [-:). So you're now an official cool guy of r.a.s. Good race at the Brickyard, (Old'Indytrack guy in rec.autos.simulators) [===] Go Rubens Barrichello, Jacques Villeneuve, | ! | And all you that thinks that Jacques Villeneuve is |!| from Canada, your right!! He's from St-Jean sur le |o| Richelieu, 30 minutes from Montreal, Quebec, Canada. [--I--] v Fran?ois Mnard "Wasupe LeGrand" Nien Numb in the National Star Wars League(X-Wing vs Tie-Fighter league) http://www.dakotacom.net/~strange/ http://www.geocities.com/area51/vault/2804/index.html http://www.starwars.com/ Star Wars Trilogy Special Edition,N2,Gp2,Icr2.How can my life be better? May the force be with you, always!! Que la force soit avec toi, jamais!(for you French people) Excuse me for my poor English(I'm French speaking)