3D Graphics Cards Drive Me Crazy!!!!

Drivers: I have about had it with all these one on one implementation of computer games and a specific computer game. We have had NASCAR implemented in native mode with the: Matrox card Diamond Virge Diamond Virge-VX?? Rendition VOODOO??? 4 Graphic cards in one year.... BOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! All these games are implemented in NATIVE DOS mode and there is no standard. I dont want to buy 4 graphic cards to run 4 games.. THE QUESTION!!! Since I have just completed driving the SEGA DAYTONA which by the way runs in DIRECTX mode using WINDOWS 95 and work GREAT. The FRAME RATES ARE MAX and YOU DONT HAVE TO TURN OFF any GRAPHICS. When will we see Papyrus and MicroProse come out with a DIRECTX implementation of thier games using some standard *** SDK protocols to implement 3D features?? Give us a break!!!!! Don Wilshe, IVGA PS. Maybe Microsoft will give us a stock car racing game!!!!!!!!! MONSTER STOCK CAR RACING!!!!!!!!!!!

I've been asking for a Win95 version of Nascar for quite some time (since back when Rick Genter was still with Papyrus). With the NRO needing Win95 anyway and adding in the use of DirectX (especially DirectX 5.0 which includes the new DrawPrimitive, DirectInput API Force Feedback, and DirectSound 3D HAL), you'd have a natural winner. -- The IWCCCARS Project: Q & A Representative http://www.theuspits.com/iwcccars/index.html-ssi http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ebusch/

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>I've been asking for a Win95 version of Nascar for quite some time >(since back when Rick Genter was still with Papyrus). With the NRO >needing Win95 anyway and adding in the use of DirectX (especially >DirectX 5.0 which includes the new DrawPrimitive, DirectInput API Force >Feedback, and DirectSound 3D HAL), you'd have a natural winner. >-- >The IWCCCARS Project: Q & A Representative >http://www.theuspits.com/iwcccars/index.html-ssi >http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ebusch/

I thought I heard that MS dropped plans to support Direct Input Forse Feedback? Has that changed, or am I hearing things again? Mike

They dropped it from DirectX 3.0 and are picking it up in 5.0 which is due out in June. See: http://www.microsoft.com/corpinfo/press/1997/feb97/mltdwnpr.htm -- The IWCCCARS Project: Q & A Representative http://www.theuspits.com/iwcccars/index.html-ssi http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ebusch/ Feedback? Has that changed, or am I hearing things again?

>Since I have just completed driving the SEGA DAYTONA which >by the way runs in DIRECTX mode using WINDOWS 95 and work >GREAT. The FRAME RATES ARE MAX and YOU DONT HAVE TO TURN OFF >any GRAPHICS. When will we see Papyrus and MicroProse come out >with a DIRECTX implementation of thier games using some >standard *** SDK protocols to implement 3D features?? First off DIRECTX is not that great, I had MTM installed and it was terrible compared to running N2 or ICR2 under DOS in Rendition mode. Secondly, I am a firm believer that the more stuff you have running the slower things will go. Games with the CPU intensity of N2 are better off in a DOS environment than under Win95. Unless your running a 200MMX with 32/64meg of ram. I run with a P100 and 16meg of ram and it flies under DOS, but crawls under Win95. Kevin

I think that a big reason that Papyrus hasn't written to MS's "standards" is the fact that they change monthly. I sure would not want to invest the time and money needed to develope for a "standard" that is not going to be the standard the following month. I think quite a few software and one major hardware (Intel) company have been "bitten" by this and therefore they kinda wait around to see which "standard" MS decides to stick with before committing to using it. I don't blame them one bit. Just my $0.02, Ralph

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>-- >The IWCCCARS Project: Q & A Representative >http://www.theuspits.com/iwcccars/index.html-ssi >http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ebusch/ >> I thought I heard that MS dropped plans to support Direct Input Forse >Feedback? Has that changed, or am I hearing things again?

Yep. I agree. One thing is certain. The Rendition is getting the most support, N2,ICR2, & flightsims. I think you can forget MPS's support with GP2. Your only option is to get the add-ons which are available via the net, (like the new carset which kicks ass). Lack of support for GP2 is so lame I almost got Power F1 today! YIKES! -- Header address intentionaly scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes.

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> >Since I have just completed driving the SEGA DAYTONA which > >by the way runs in DIRECTX mode using WINDOWS 95 and work > >GREAT. The FRAME RATES ARE MAX and YOU DONT HAVE TO TURN OFF > >any GRAPHICS. When will we see Papyrus and MicroProse come out > >with a DIRECTX implementation of thier games using some > >standard *** SDK protocols to implement 3D features?? > First off DIRECTX is not that great, I had MTM installed and it was > terrible compared to running N2 or ICR2 under DOS in Rendition mode. > Secondly, I am a firm believer that the more stuff you have running > the slower things will go. Games with the CPU intensity of N2 are > better off in a DOS environment than under Win95. Unless your running > a 200MMX with 32/64meg of ram. I run with a P100 and 16meg of ram and > it flies under DOS, but crawls under Win95.

Your 16 MBytes of RAM are not enough to run any significant programs under W95. Fry's (shudder) has 16MB EDO SIMMs for $66 in their current newspaper adverti***t. I certainly wouldn't want to have less than 32 MB these days. -- --------------- Scott Pritchett

REPLY: This isn't true. There is no proof that the Rendition is getting anymore support than voodoo, and if I were held at gun point to choose nonetheless I would state voodoo will garnish more native support in time. Above states N2 and ICR2 Yep. But again I think there's a voodoo N2 on the way... Flight sims is wishful thinking. And soon one could say that F1 by Psygnosis is a voodoo direct only, to go against ICR2, less talking about the actual quality of the game. IFFF N2 comes out for the voodoo and is better yet then verite's, I will probably then lean towards the voodoo as the card of choice with a but in there. That but is if somebody is getting a new system and is $$$ strapped I would still recommend a rendition based card at least until the Rush is released. Q.B.M.

>Your 16 MBytes of RAM are not enough to run any significant programs >under W95. Fry's (shudder) has 16MB EDO SIMMs for $66 in their current >newspaper adverti***t. I certainly wouldn't want to have less than >32 MB these days. Ok, buy the RAM and send it down then :>. Can't find it that cheap around here and really can't afford it right now. 16meg works just fine as for all my games that I run in DOS. And I don't own any games specifically for Win95 and don't play to buy any until I can afford not only a memory upgrade, but a processor upgrade also. But you yourself did make the help the point I was trying to make. Win95 is a memory hog and totally useless for ***. Kev

: I thought I heard that MS dropped plans to support Direct Input Forse Feedback? Has that changed, or : am I hearing things again? Rumor had it that MS "delayed" support of Force Feedback so they could be the first on the block with the needed hardware. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Really?!!!! Where are you lloking for your info? As far as I can see Voodoo 3dFX is the one getting the mainstream support, dedicated Rendition support is notable by its absence only. Cheers! John