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From the Indy GP notes... Kicking with both feet: USGP pole sitter Rubens Barrichello said one of the reasons he’s getting more competitive with teammate Michael Schumacher is because he now can brake with either foot. It is just like a soccer player who can control the ball with either foot, Barrichello said. “I’ve been driving a little bit (with) my left foot more since the beginning of the season,” he said. “But I’m naturally a right-footer, so obviously I’m kicking with both feet right now, and the driver who kicks with both can do it better. I’m doing it with both. “I have just got better as the season progressed

Thats why MS is so fast. He controls the car like a gpl alien, accellerate while braking and turning to rotate the car. "Race1530" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> From the Indy GP notes... > > Kicking with both feet: USGP pole sitter Rubens Barrichello said one of > the > reasons he's getting more competitive with teammate Michael Schumacher is > because he now can brake with either foot. > > It is just like a soccer player who can control the ball with either foot, > Barrichello said. > > "I've been driving a little bit (with) my left foot more since the > beginning of the season," he said. "But I'm naturally a right-footer, so > obviously I'm kicking with both feet right now, and the driver who kicks > with > both can do it better. I'm doing it with both. > > "I have just got better as the season progressed

I saw something last year comparing MS to RB, where they showed their entrance ane exit speeds into certain corners, and MS was considerably faster on all fronts and smoother because of left-foot braking. But, I don't know exactly if I would compare MS to a GPL alien. I've seen some GPL "hotlaps", and they do a lot of things I can't picture MS doing. I also don't think MS is taking advantage and finding flaws in a fairly rudimentary physics model. MS also has to deal with tire wear.. -- Mike Beauchamp http://www.therevox.com - custom electro-theremins and stuff. http://www.mikebeauchamp.com - mike's personal site. "Dan_Leach" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Thats why MS is so fast. He controls the car like a gpl alien, accellerate > while braking and turning to rotate the car. > > "Race1530" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > From the Indy GP notes... > > > > Kicking with both feet: USGP pole sitter Rubens Barrichello said one of > > the > > reasons he's getting more competitive with teammate Michael Schumacher is > > because he now can brake with either foot. > > > > It is just like a soccer player who can control the ball with either foot, > > Barrichello said. > > > > "I've been driving a little bit (with) my left foot more since the > > beginning of the season," he said. "But I'm naturally a right-footer, so > > obviously I'm kicking with both feet right now, and the driver who kicks > > with > > both can do it better. I'm doing it with both. > > > > "I have just got better as the season progressed > >

have you seen his telemetry? pez "Dan_Leach" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Thats why MS is so fast. He controls the car like a gpl alien, accellerate > while braking and turning to rotate the car. > > "Race1530" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > From the Indy GP notes... > > > > Kicking with both feet: USGP pole sitter Rubens Barrichello said one of > > the > > reasons he's getting more competitive with teammate Michael Schumacher

is > > because he now can brake with either foot. > > > > It is just like a soccer player who can control the ball with eitherfoot,

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> > Barrichello said. > > > > "I've been driving a little bit (with) my left foot more since the > > beginning of the season," he said. "But I'm naturally a right-footer, so > > obviously I'm kicking with both feet right now, and the driver who kicks > > with > > both can do it better. I'm doing it with both. > > > > "I have just got better as the season progressed > >

Pez wrote: > have you seen his telemetry? > > pez It's in F1 Racing magazine September 2003. At times he's (M. Schumacher) at 65% brake and 40% throttle simultaneously. (Copse to Becketts) -- Ian P <email invalid due to spammers>

Your statement is true to a point. In the pre-race grid walk with Derek Daley, RB stated that he only left foot brakes at 2 tracks. And at Malaysia, he only braked in turn 1 with the left foot. He stated he was not any better off for left foot braking. KJRacing

> have you seen his telemetry? > > pez >Yeah, thats why i think he drives like a fast gpler :)

can i see? pez "Dan Leach" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > > have you seen his telemetry? > > > > pez > > > Yeah, thats why i think he drives like a fast gpler :) > >

Pez wrote: > can i see? Hi Pez, maybe the posting failed to appear on your newsserver, so I'm quoting it here. Ian P pointed to it in a message posted a few hours ago in this thread. He wrote: IanP> It's in F1 Racing magazine September 2003. At times he's IanP> (M. Schumacher) at 65% brake and 40% IanP> throttle simultaneously. (Copse to Becketts) Regards Achim

I saw it on telly, not sure if theres a web link. Brundle talks about it all the time

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> Pez wrote: > > have you seen his telemetry? > > > > pez > > > It's in F1 Racing magazine September 2003. At times he's (M. Schumacher)

at > 65% brake and 40% throttle simultaneously. (Copse to Becketts) > Just for a moment (which could just be a transitional thing) or for a sustained, deliberate period?

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> > "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ndJBc.18340$[email hidden]... > > Pez wrote: > > > have you seen his telemetry? > > > > > > pez > > > > > > It's in F1 Racing magazine September 2003. At times he's (M. Schumacher) > at > > 65% brake and 40% throttle simultaneously. (Copse to Becketts) > > > > Just for a moment (which could just be a transitional thing) or for a > sustained, deliberate period? > >

It looks as though it's sustained. Definitely through Copse, Becketts is a bit more transitional, but the brake is trailed off quite gently while the throttle is pushed quite quickly (Though I slightly misread the telemetry in the first post and it's 40% brake and throttle through the first part of Becketts).

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> From the Indy GP notes... > > Kicking with both feet: USGP pole sitter Rubens Barrichello said one of the > reasons he’s getting more competitive with teammate Michael Schumacher is > because he now can brake with either foot. > > It is just like a soccer player who can control the ball with either foot, > Barrichello said. > > “I’ve been driving a little bit (with) my left foot more since the > beginning of the season,” he said. “But I’m naturally a right-footer, so > obviously I’m kicking with both feet right now, and the driver who kicks with > both can do it better. I’m doing it with both. > > “I have just got better as the season progressed

Is left foot breaking really that hard? I've never had a problem doing it while placing race games on my pc. Maybe I'm just a noob, but I couldn't live without doing left foot breaking.

On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:45:42 GMT, Araxen wrote: > Is left foot breaking really that hard? I've never had a problem doing > it while placing race games on my pc. Maybe I'm just a noob, but I > couldn't live without doing left foot breaking. I'm quite used to left-foot braking from racing karts and simming, but let me tell you doing it in the family sedan is no good idea. I tried it once for laughs and caused near-instant brake lockup, thankfully I was on my own at the time ;-) uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

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> On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:45:42 GMT, Araxen wrote: >> Is left foot breaking really that hard? I've never had a problem doing >> it while placing race games on my pc. Maybe I'm just a noob, but I >> couldn't live without doing left foot breaking. > > I'm quite used to left-foot braking from racing karts and simming, but > let me tell you doing it in the family sedan is no good idea. I tried > it once for laughs and caused near-instant brake lockup, thankfully I > was on my own at the time ;-) > > uwe > >

I wasn't paying attention to this thread so forgive me if I repeat somebody else's thread. The general consensus is that left foot braking is faster/quicker. After-all M Schumacher does it right? Most of the current F1 field probably left foots it as well. But we shouldn't be asking if Lf is quicker...but is LF quicker for Ruebens? I think we've seen in the last couple of races that Ruebens is starting to challenge Michael more...so while in theory LF wins...the comfort factor that Ruebens feels with Right foot braking outweighs the theoretical advantage the LF gives. Yes there is telemetry that proves MS enters corners at higher speeds than RB, but in the race enviroment, RB is doing better with RF so theory kinda looses to practicality. Let RB be RB and he does well. Force him to be MS jr. and he won't. dave henrie

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> On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:45:42 GMT, Araxen wrote: > >>Is left foot breaking really that hard? I've never had a problem doing >>it while placing race games on my pc. Maybe I'm just a noob, but I >>couldn't live without doing left foot breaking. > > > I'm quite used to left-foot braking from racing karts and simming, but > let me tell you doing it in the family sedan is no good idea. I tried > it once for laughs and caused near-instant brake lockup, thankfully I > was on my own at the time ;-) > > uwe > >

My driving instructor at Derek Daly said there is no reason to left foot brake when on a paved road course. Disagree? Why? Dan

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:23:49 -0500, Dan wrote: > My driving instructor at Derek Daly said there is no reason to left foot > brake when on a paved road course. Disagree? Why? Not really, but to get back to the family sedan, the pedal layout does not endow left foot braking in the least. I guess the pedal setup in a racecar will be different and provide more space between gas and brake than in a production car. Cheers, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Dan wrote: > My driving instructor at Derek Daly said there is no reason to left foot > brake when on a paved road course. Disagree? Why? Yes, because many F1 drivers do it and they wouldn't if it didn't make any sense <g> But seriously, it's been discussed ad nauseam, and proven over and over again with examples and telemetry, and still people come up and say it doesn't make sense or can't be done for this reason or that. Real race drivers do it because it gives them better car control, fast sim racers do it for the same reason even if they have a choice - let's face it. Left foot braking is as normal as unlinear steering or throttle curves. Achim

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>> obviously I’m kicking with both feet right now, and the driver who kicks >with >> both can do it better. I’m doing it with both. >> >> “I have just got better as the season progressed > >Is left foot breaking really that hard? I've never had a problem doing >it while placing race games on my pc. Maybe I'm just a noob, but I >couldn't live without doing left foot breaking. >

Do you have a drivers license? Not trying to be offensive, but I have no way of knowing how old you are. Assuming you don't drive in real life: Most people drive their real cars and brake with their right foot. That's the way new drivers are taught, that's the way most of us have been doing it for years. To make such a drastic change in style takes getting used to... If you've never known anything else besides LFB, it seems weird to you. Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

I did the same thing Uwe :) I wonder why its so difficult in a real car when it seems so natural with sims? Mitch' "Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:45:42 GMT, Araxen wrote: > > Is left foot breaking really that hard? I've never had a problem doing > > it while placing race games on my pc. Maybe I'm just a noob, but I > > couldn't live without doing left foot breaking. > > I'm quite used to left-foot braking from racing karts and simming, but > let me tell you doing it in the family sedan is no good idea. I tried > it once for laughs and caused near-instant brake lockup, thankfully I > was on my own at the time ;-) > > uwe > > > -- > mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) > Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ > Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) > GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:56:53 GMT, Mitch_A wrote: > I did the same thing Uwe :) I wonder why its so difficult in a real car > when it seems so natural with sims? Soul brother ;-) Aren't we all just big boys with a driving license sometimes? The thought makes me smile ;-) uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

On 25 Jun 2004 15:54:29 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>>> �I�ve been driving a little bit (with) my left foot more since the >>> beginning of the season,� he said. �But I�m naturally a right-footer, >so >>> obviously I�m kicking with both feet right now, and the driver who kicks >>with >>> both can do it better. I�m doing it with both. >>> >>> �I have just got better as the season progressed >> >>Is left foot breaking really that hard? I've never had a problem doing >>it while placing race games on my pc. Maybe I'm just a noob, but I >>couldn't live without doing left foot breaking. >> > >Do you have a drivers license? Not trying to be offensive, but I have no way >of knowing how old you are. Assuming you don't drive in real life: >Most people drive their real cars and brake with their right foot. That's the >way new drivers are taught, that's the way most of us have been doing it for >years. To make such a drastic change in style takes getting used to... >If you've never known anything else besides LFB, it seems weird to you. > >Eldred

I'd like to toss my $.02 in here. In a street car there is one very good reason not to LF brake, and occasionally it comes into play in racing. The reason not to LF brake is that it consumes more fuel that way - once again, the tradeoff for more speed being an increase in fuel usage. Most of the time in racing, that's a non-issue, but every once in a while it pops up. In the grocery-getting, it's one reason not to LF brake (along with the fact that using the LF technique doesn't gain you much on the street). In F1 fuel conservation rarely comes into play. In other series where it does crop up that's one way of saving a few extra drops, along with getting off the gas early and on late. Mike

The power brakes in most production cars are much more sensitive than in a race car, so you need a lighter touch. On top of that production cars have the brake bias much further forward than in a race car, since they have to work with the worst case loading condition. These two things combined make it much easier to lock up the fronts than you are used to in a sim. But with a light touch it still works. I sometimes LFB in my Stratus, just to loosen it up a bit. "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9XXCc.1169$[email hidden]... > I did the same thing Uwe :) I wonder why its so difficult in a real car > when it seems so natural with sims? > > Mitch' >

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> On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:23:49 -0500, Dan wrote: > >> My driving instructor at Derek Daly said there is no reason to left >> foot brake when on a paved road course. Disagree? Why? > > Not really, but to get back to the family sedan, the pedal layout does > not endow left foot braking in the least.

I guess we've driven different cars. In a [very few] cars I drove, I could left foot brake just fine (except the cases with manual transmission). Heel-and-toe would be a probelm though. Cars makers seem to enjoy placing gas and throttle too far away vertically :( Alex.

Mike Donnelly Jr <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]: > On 25 Jun 2004 15:54:29 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > <snip>

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>>>Is left foot breaking really that hard? I've never had a problem doing >>>it while placing race games on my pc. Maybe I'm just a noob, but I >>>couldn't live without doing left foot breaking. >>> >> >>Do you have a drivers license? Not trying to be offensive, but I have >>no way of knowing how old you are. Assuming you don't drive in real >>life: Most people drive their real cars and brake with their right >>foot. That's the way new drivers are taught, that's the way most of us >>have been doing it for years. To make such a drastic change in style >>takes getting used to... If you've never known anything else besides >>LFB, it seems weird to you. >> >>Eldred > > I'd like to toss my $.02 in here. In a street car there is one very > good reason not to LF brake, and occasionally it comes into play in > racing. The reason not to LF brake is that it consumes more fuel that > way - once again, the tradeoff for more speed being an increase in > fuel usage. Most of the time in racing, that's a non-issue, but every > once in a while it pops up. In the grocery-getting, it's one reason > not to LF brake (along with the fact that using the LF technique > doesn't gain you much on the street). In F1 fuel conservation rarely > comes into play. In other series where it does crop up that's one way > of saving a few extra drops, along with getting off the gas early and > on late. > > Mike

LF braking doesn't increase fuel consumption by itself, it is throttle- trailing that does it. And in a street car there's no real reason to trail the throttle (unlike the racing where it's done to balance the car). In the street car one would probably trail the throttle only when entering the corner very fast and trying to overcome massive understeer (which is hardly regular street driving style), in the case of [very] emergency braking, when he hits the brakes while lifting off the throttle or in the driving on snow, which is a very different case, because balancing the car becomes quite important even in the street driving (particularly, if one didn't bother to change his summer tyres ;->). On somewhat related note, I wonder how people downshift in the street cars (manual). For example, you exit the highway and the exit ramp turns and tightens. Let's say reasonable speed for the final turn on the ramp is 50km/h (which happens to be a speed limit in that area too) and you approach that turn at 100km/h. Braking has to be done with right foot, because of downshifting and near the final turn it is necessary to put in 2nd gear (It depends on the car, but in most of them one will want lower gear for 50 km/h than for 100km/h). However heel-and-toe is problematic due to pedal layout which makes it impossible to give some gas to match revs. The only way I see is to shift at the precise moment when the revs are close to the right match. But it looks a bit more complicated operation that one would expect to perform in a regular street driving. Alex.

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>Mike Donnelly Jr <[email hidden]> wrote in >news:[email hidden]: > >> On 25 Jun 2004 15:54:29 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >> ><snip> >>>>Is left foot breaking really that hard? I've never had a problem doing >>>>it while placing race games on my pc. Maybe I'm just a noob, but I >>>>couldn't live without doing left foot breaking. >>>> >>> >>>Do you have a drivers license? Not trying to be offensive, but I have >>>no way of knowing how old you are. Assuming you don't drive in real >>>life: Most people drive their real cars and brake with their right >>>foot. That's the way new drivers are taught, that's the way most of us >>>have been doing it for years. To make such a drastic change in style >>>takes getting used to... If you've never known anything else besides >>>LFB, it seems weird to you. >>> >>>Eldred >> >> I'd like to toss my $.02 in here. In a street car there is one very >> good reason not to LF brake, and occasionally it comes into play in >> racing. The reason not to LF brake is that it consumes more fuel that >> way - once again, the tradeoff for more speed being an increase in >> fuel usage. Most of the time in racing, that's a non-issue, but every >> once in a while it pops up. In the grocery-getting, it's one reason >> not to LF brake (along with the fact that using the LF technique >> doesn't gain you much on the street). In F1 fuel conservation rarely >> comes into play. In other series where it does crop up that's one way >> of saving a few extra drops, along with getting off the gas early and >> on late. >> >> Mike >LF braking doesn't increase fuel consumption by itself, it is throttle- >trailing that does it. And in a street car there's no real reason to trail >the throttle (unlike the racing where it's done to balance the car). >In the street car one would probably trail the throttle only when entering >the corner very fast and trying to overcome massive understeer (which is >hardly regular street driving style), in the case of [very] emergency >braking, when he hits the brakes while lifting off the throttle or in the >driving on snow, which is a very different case, because balancing the car >becomes quite important even in the street driving (particularly, if one >didn't bother to change his summer tyres ;->). > >On somewhat related note, I wonder how people downshift in the street cars >(manual). For example, you exit the highway and the exit ramp turns and >tightens. Let's say reasonable speed for the final turn on the ramp is >50km/h (which happens to be a speed limit in that area too) and you >approach that turn at 100km/h. Braking has to be done with right foot, >because of downshifting and near the final turn it is necessary to put in >2nd gear (It depends on the car, but in most of them one will want lower >gear for 50 km/h than for 100km/h). However heel-and-toe is problematic due >to pedal layout which makes it impossible to give some gas to match revs. >The only way I see is to shift at the precise moment when the revs are >close to the right match. But it looks a bit more complicated operation >that one would expect to perform in a regular street driving. > >Alex.

The 'street' answer to that one is to slow down way before you shift. That's what all the driving instructors would say. The other thing to do would be to use engine braking, which puts a lot of strain on the engine leading to one famous American car builder to remark that engines built to (engine) brake usually do (break that is). So, on the street driving 'normally' it would be 'break-shift-merge'. If you're feeling adventurous then you might brake a little, downshift, blipping the throttle and brake a little more (if necessary). Not recommended nor advised, just an alternate technique. Mike

Uwe Sch�rkamp wrote: > > Not really, but to get back to the family sedan, the pedal layout does > not endow left foot braking in the least. I guess the pedal setup in a > racecar will be different and provide more space between gas and brake > than in a production car. Pedal layout aside, I think the main reason why people have probs in real cars when they try left foot braking is that with their right foot, they're used to counter-balance the forward-G created by the braking. With their left foot, they are not. It's a matter of training the brain until this happens subconsciously. Some achieve that faster, for others it takes longer. Then again, I'm pretty much equally good with my left and right hand. Maybe others are just better with their right foot than with their left? Achim

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> On somewhat related note, I wonder how people downshift in the street cars > (manual). For example, you exit the highway and the exit ramp turns and > tightens. Let's say reasonable speed for the final turn on the ramp is > 50km/h (which happens to be a speed limit in that area too) and you > approach that turn at 100km/h. Braking has to be done with right foot, > because of downshifting and near the final turn it is necessary to put in > 2nd gear (It depends on the car, but in most of them one will want lower > gear for 50 km/h than for 100km/h). However heel-and-toe is problematic

due > to pedal layout which makes it impossible to give some gas to match revs. > The only way I see is to shift at the precise moment when the revs are > close to the right match. But it looks a bit more complicated operation > that one would expect to perform in a regular street driving. I'm with Mike. I usually hold the clutch in once the speed gets to low for the gear. By the time I'm ready to engage it, I'll need just over 2k RPM which is easy to get with a little gas. I rarely need 2500+, and if I do, I actually will brake a little later/harder and heel-toe through the gears. Ususally that's only when the ramp hits a light, the left turn light is green, and I'm probably close enough to make it. Anyway, the secret to heel-toe in my car (Integra... stock, so no jokes!) was pedal covers. Ya know... those $15 things you can buy at auto parts stores. They're wider and close the gap. I can heel-toe pretty comfortably in the aforementioned situation. Mind you, I'm never braking so hard that I have to rip through the gears or can't comfortably stop should the light turn, and I likely rarely break 4500 RPM (not much with an 8k redline) when blipping. There really isn't need for anything beyond that, because at that point, you really ought to think about pulling it down a notch or two. Alan

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>Uwe =?iso-8859-15?Q?Sch=FCrkamp?= <[email hidden]> wrote in >news:[email hidden]: > >> On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:23:49 -0500, Dan wrote: >> >>> My driving instructor at Derek Daly said there is no reason to left >>> foot brake when on a paved road course. Disagree? Why? >> >> Not really, but to get back to the family sedan, the pedal layout does >> not endow left foot braking in the least. >I guess we've driven different cars. In a [very few] cars I drove, I could >left foot brake just fine (except the cases with manual transmission). >Heel-and-toe would be a probelm though. Cars makers seem to enjoy placing >gas and throttle too far away vertically :( > >Alex.

Couldn't you use the left foot to simultaneously depress both the clutch and brake, and use the right foot to match the revs? Or is it more complicated than that (or those pedals are too far apart typically)... John DiFool

clutch pedal needs to be fully depressed, a brake pedal hardly moves. pez "John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 03:11:26 GMT, > [email hidden] (alexti) wrote: > > >Uwe =?iso-8859-15?Q?Sch=FCrkamp?= <[email hidden]> wrote in > >news:[email hidden]: > > > >> On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:23:49 -0500, Dan wrote: > >> > >>> My driving instructor at Derek Daly said there is no reason to left > >>> foot brake when on a paved road course. Disagree? Why? > >> > >> Not really, but to get back to the family sedan, the pedal layout does > >> not endow left foot braking in the least. > >I guess we've driven different cars. In a [very few] cars I drove, I

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> >left foot brake just fine (except the cases with manual transmission). > >Heel-and-toe would be a probelm though. Cars makers seem to enjoy placing > >gas and throttle too far away vertically :( > > > >Alex. > > Couldn't you use the left foot to simultaneously depress both the > clutch and brake, and use the right foot to match the revs? > Or is it more complicated than that (or those pedals are too > far apart typically)... > > John DiFool >