N2: Rendition anti-aliasing

Take it for what it is. I lifted the following off of Sierra's message area on AOL: Subj: Re:N2 Anti-Aliasing? Date: 97-02-10 12:35:20 EST Has anyone heard if Anti-Aliasing might be added in a coming N2 version/update? Is it something Sierra might be able to add with a patch that we could down-load? <<< We currently have no plans to add anti-aliasing to NASCAR 2. -Mike Papyrus -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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>Take it for what it is. I lifted the following off of Sierra's message >area on AOL: > Subj: Re:N2 Anti-Aliasing? > Date: 97-02-10 12:35:20 EST >Has anyone heard if Anti-Aliasing might be added in a coming N2 >version/update? Is it something Sierra might be able to add with a >patch that we could down-load? ><<< >We currently have no plans to add anti-aliasing to NASCAR 2. >-Mike >Papyrus

What a disapointment....... What good is the rendition enhancment when it really only runs marginally quicker in " enhanced mode" and the thing still has substantial Jaggies? Look at Quake for goodness sake. I guess ICR2 really sets such a high standard, it raises the question" Is ICR2 as good as it gets? " I was hoping that ICR2 was an above average baseline, not the highest possible quality. Unfortunately I think N2 is the baseline, and Mike at Papyrus tells us that is the way it will stay. Will the NRO make the difference? Man, just think about running n2 cars at the same quality as ICR2 in Indyfast mode (I was getting over 25 fps with my p90.) Will any corporation ever put together an industry changing product? ie: ICR2 graphics, N2 configurability with Hawai type competition, GP2 quality physics model, with CONTINUING refinements like Quake. Thinking about what could be, is enough to drive a man to drink. Or wishing I had away to do it myself, I would be as rich as John Romero, and I would have just as many Ferrari's. Doug Greer

It's no secret that the guy who did the Rendition work (whose name escapes me at this time) left Papyrus after ICR2 for a hardware company. He did some consulting on N2, but as everyone can see it was obviously quite limited. As far as Rendition Ready games go, N2 is a huge disappointment. -- The IWCCCARS Project: Q & A Representative http://www.theuspits.com/iwcccars/index.html http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ebusch/

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> Take it for what it is. I lifted the following off of Sierra's message > area on AOL: > Subj: Re:N2 Anti-Aliasing? > Date: 97-02-10 12:35:20 EST > Has anyone heard if Anti-Aliasing might be added in a coming N2 > version/update? Is it something Sierra might be able to add with a > patch that we could down-load? > <<< > We currently have no plans to add anti-aliasing to NASCAR 2. > -Mike > Papyrus

This is terribly disapointing. I bought NR2 based on the look of IRC2 for the Rendition card and was surprised to find it (NR2) wasn't ani-aliased. Fix the few bugs this games has, and clean up the graphics and this already great game would be outstanding. Papy has always cared about this level of quality, please try to keep it up. Thanks, Ed Pickart

I wouldn't buy a Rendition card if all you wanted was Nascar2. Quake is pretty good, but I never use it anymore since all I play is QuakeWorld. Still, for the money (about $170 to $200), it's the best bang for the buck upgrade I've seen. If you have a good 2D card already, one of the add on 3Dfx cards might be a good solution. The OpenGL port of Quake (the 3Dfx cards are the only consumer level cards that can handle it) is absolutely breathtaking and includes shadows, reflections, transparent water, round *** drops, etc. -- The IWCCCARS Project: Q & A Representative http://www.theuspits.com/iwcccars/index.html http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ebusch/

Another company to talk to about a verite upgrade is Rendition. Give them some feedback. They could do the upgrade themselves as they have with several other products already. It would be a shame to not bring N2 up to ICR2 standards of gfx quality. I mean it's a newer genreration and one would expect equal or better. And N2 could still use a little performance boost still. But to those non-verite owners the Verite still makes a big difference as is, don't read into it thinking the verite patch is total garbage, it's just not as great as it can be. Q.B.M.

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> > Take it for what it is. I lifted the following off of Sierra's message > > area on AOL: > > Subj: Re:N2 Anti-Aliasing? > > Date: 97-02-10 12:35:20 EST > > Has anyone heard if Anti-Aliasing might be added in a coming N2 > > version/update? Is it something Sierra might be able to add with a > > patch that we could down-load? > > <<< > > We currently have no plans to add anti-aliasing to NASCAR 2. > > -Mike > > Papyrus > This is terribly disapointing. I bought NR2 based on the look of IRC2 > for the > Rendition card and was surprised to find it (NR2) wasn't ani-aliased. > Fix the few bugs this games has, and clean up the graphics and this > already great > game would be outstanding. Papy has always cared about this level of > quality, > please try to keep it up. > Thanks, > Ed Pickart

and also, from now on, will you give it to us for free? seriously, i think the anti-aliasing would be nice, and it does have it's 'features', but i wouldnt consider the improvements in general capabilities and the texture mapping anything to turn my nose up at. i personally, prefer texture mapping to anti-aliasing....

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> > As far as Rendition Ready games go, N2 is a > >huge disappointment. > I've been holding off getting a 3D card. The only 2 games I play now > are Nascar2 and Quake. I just upgraded my Cpu to a 133, from a 100. > (166, 200 still too pricey for now ) Do you still feel there's an > advantage to buying a 3D card for Nascar2? > Don Turcotte

well iv got a 3d blaster and i also run quake and it kicks *** i dunno about nascar 2 havent seen it yet but 3d cards and ***y good. glenn

Wow Eric! Doing a little beating on the Papyrus boys! I'm very proud of you! N2 rendition has nothing on its parent ICR2!

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> It's no secret that the guy who did the Rendition work (whose name > escapes me at this time) left Papyrus after ICR2 for a hardware > company. He did some consulting on N2, but as everyone can see it was > obviously quite limited. As far as Rendition Ready games go, N2 is a > huge disappointment. > -- > The IWCCCARS Project: Q & A Representative > http://www.theuspits.com/iwcccars/index.html > http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ebusch/ > > ICR2 is a fine simulation, but Nascar 2 > > still needs work. I am afraid that Papyrus / Sierra no longer has > the > > proper personel that they had available to do the ICR 2 rendition > > port.

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>> Take it for what it is. I lifted the following off of Sierra's message >> area on AOL: >> Subj: Re:N2 Anti-Aliasing? >> Date: 97-02-10 12:35:20 EST >> Has anyone heard if Anti-Aliasing might be added in a coming N2 >> version/update? Is it something Sierra might be able to add with a >> patch that we could down-load? >> <<< >> We currently have no plans to add anti-aliasing to NASCAR 2. >> -Mike >> Papyrus >This is terribly disapointing. I bought NR2 based on the look of IRC2 >for the >Rendition card and was surprised to find it (NR2) wasn't ani-aliased. >Fix the few bugs this games has, and clean up the graphics and this >already great >game would be outstanding. Papy has always cared about this level of >quality, >please try to keep it up.

I dunno about anyone else, but I don't give a rat ***about a NASCAR 2 patch (well, maybe not that far, I WOULD like to see one) if they put that much more effort into "Grand Prix"...I hope that they make Grand Prix the pinnicle of driving games, and it looks like they will; all-new 3-d engine, which is unique in history, hopefully killer Rendition implementation, and, yes, I hope a thirst for 32mb. I don't have that much myself, but I don't want them to have to cut corners just to support a 16mb machine. Make it the game they won't HAVE to replace until December 1998!