GP2 Deadline Mar 9th!

The GP2 League is now accepting new entrants in anticipation of the 1997 Gran Prix season. We are the most established GP2 League with over 400 participants in countries from around the world and over 600 people signed up for next season.. We have a dedicated GP2 League Usenet and IRC server so you can keep in touch with the rest of the League members as well as the administrators. There are 4 different divisions that appeal to every skill level. Go to [link lost in import] read the simple rules and join up! Oh ya-and thank Randy Harris while you're there :-) We'll see you all track side in Australia, March 9th Mark Mann #5 Team Hurricane Mark Mann Miami, FL GP2 RACING LEAGUE

Join up now. I've been a member of the league since last October and it's brilliant. right Mark :-) -- Sen McLaren-Pumpkins Pro Class http://www.rtc-carlow.ie/student/downeys/pumpkins.html "Anything happens in Grand Prix racing and it usually does" [Murray Walker - who else?]

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> Join up now. I've been a member of the league since last October and > it's brilliant. > right Mark :-) > -- > Sen > McLaren-Pumpkins > Pro Class > http://www.rtc-carlow.ie/student/downeys/pumpkins.html > "Anything happens in Grand Prix racing and it usually does" > [Murray Walker - who else?]

Im sorry to say guys, but with all the hex editors out there how can you hold a serious GP2 league thats legit?!! The bottom line is, without network or modem play, sending in times and statistics on races used under GP2 will and cannot be considered competitive because of hacking. Give me heat, give me what you will, but just answer that ONE question?!! (thats right) -David Gary-

Hi David: Do me a favor and go to http://home.cwnet.com/randallc/gp2setup/index.html Log onto the newsgroup, read a few posts and tell me the League members aren't having fun.

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>> http://www.rtc-carlow.ie/student/downeys/pumpkins.html >> "Anything happens in Grand Prix racing and it usually does" >> [Murray Walker - who else?] >Im sorry to say guys, but with all the hex editors out there how can you >hold a serious GP2 league >thats legit?!! The bottom line is, without network or modem play, >sending in times and statistics on races >used under GP2 will and cannot be considered competitive because of >hacking. Give me heat, give me what you will, but just answer that ONE >question?!! >(thats right) -David Gary-

Mark Mann Miami, FL GP2 RACING LEAGUE

All I can do is expect that the individual who joins has some integrity. It's obviously naive to expect that no one will cheat, but those who do really won't know whether they are the best in the league or not. So they just end up fooling themselves in the league competition, as they usually do with every other aspect of their lives. At this point I feel GP2 leagues are basically made to compare times, at the scheduled race, in an organized fashion with as many other people as possible. Then after maybe discuss their race strategy or the real F1 race with another individual in the league. Everyone wants the fastest times granted, but until a foolproof method to check times is developed you must enjoy the leagues as they are. Maybe try a new league http://www3.sympatico.ca/akulin Hopefully the poeple who join this league have some integrity.

It is pretty easy to tell if someone has hacked GP2 to cheat. Dave Gymer's HOF2LAP program can be used to show what the BHP level used is. If the replay has been hacked to contain a different value then the hotlap won't run. AFAIK it is effectively impossible to hack a GP2 hotlap or saved game to cheat in that manner without being found out. There are always other ways of cheating, but if people are really that pathetic then that's their problem. Cheers, Richard

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> > Im sorry to say guys, but with all the hex editors out there how can you > > hold a serious GP2 league > > thats legit?!! The bottom line is, without network or modem play, > > sending in times and statistics on races > > used under GP2 will and cannot be considered competitive because of > > hacking. Give me heat, give me what you will, but just answer that ONE > > question?!! > > (thats right) -David Gary- > All I can do is expect that the individual who joins has some > integrity. It's obviously naive to expect that no one will cheat, but > those who do really won't know whether they are the best in the league or > not. So they just end up fooling themselves in the league competition, as > they usually do with every other aspect of their lives. At this point I > feel GP2 leagues are basically made to compare times, at the scheduled > race, in an organized fashion with as many other people as possible. Then > after maybe discuss their race strategy or the real F1 race with another > individual in the league. Everyone wants the fastest times granted, but > until a foolproof method to check times is developed you must enjoy the > leagues as they are. > Maybe try a new league > http://www3.sympatico.ca/akulin > Hopefully the poeple who join this league have some integrity.

Hopefully, with all the hex editors and other "hacking" proggies out there someone could actually come up with a utility that detects or "shuts down" GP2s replay when hacked files are evident. As long as your having fun, thats all that really matters. Its just harder to have fun when you practice hour on end only to find out your times are beaten by dweebs that really havent mastered how to run the "fast" line and dont have anything else better to do than start chopping up the original files. -DG-

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> >Im sorry to say guys, but with all the hex editors out there how can you > >hold a serious GP2 league > >thats legit?!! > It is pretty easy to tell if someone has hacked GP2 to cheat. Dave > Gymer's HOF2LAP program can be used to show what the BHP level used is. > If the replay has been hacked to contain a different value then the > hotlap won't run. > There are always other ways of cheating, but if people are really that > pathetic then that's their problem. > Cheers, > Richard

Richard's right, there are always other ways to cheat. But some of us don't want to just give up and not bother, and if it means including the use of editors in the rules, to help guarantee fairness, then I don't see the problem. It may not be what everyone wants, but check out my new GP2 league at http://homepages.enterprise.net/kmw/gp2menu.html It allows the use of editors, PROVIDED the car weight is not changed. Yes, this does mean that the times are not realistic, but it only knocks a few seconds off a lap, and if the car weight is tampered with to gain more speed, the replays will not work, and so can be disallowed. This has got to be better than blindly and naively hoping that everyone in a 'straight' league plays fair. Keith Windsor, UK

I agree with what you've said BUT the league is all about having fun, it's not SERIOUS. Yeah it's competitive and some people will cheat but they should feel quilty about that. There's no prize for winning just satisfaction and if someone cheats how can they feel satisfied that they are the best driver?? If you take a look at the GP2 Racing League web site and ng it's all about the fun the drivers have. -- Sen Guinness Grand Prix Ace Class http://www.rtc-carlow.ie/student/downeys/ggp.html "Anything happens in Grand Prix racing and it usually does" [Murray Walker - who else?]