N2 BETA IDIOTS

Gee fellas, Some of you guys are way too high strung. I've seen two post atleast that said its not the fact that I mentioned the work I did but that I mentioned it first. SO WHAT!! Am I suppose to take paragraph phrasing lessons from you experts now? I simply mentioned what I did for a living and that because of that and talking to our driver and others that I get the same opinion from most of them. So many of you seem to want these sims to be as realistic as they can be but when someone makes a comment on something thats not realistic you get bent out of shape. Maybe its because some of you don't want anyone to tell you that your still only playing a game and your not really in the race car. <G> And for those of you who seemed to label the job of a tire changer a flunkie, it may not be crew chief but its not the dull 9 to 5 either. Besides that, with the fab work I do in the shop during the week it doesn't pay that bad either. So once again to the juviniles in here I say, WAKE UP AND GET A LIFE!

: Gee fellas, : Some of you guys are way too high strung. I've seen two post atleast that : said its not the fact that I mentioned the work I did but that I mentioned : it first. SO WHAT!! Am I suppose to take paragraph phrasing lessons from : you experts now? I simply mentioned what I did for a living and that : because of that and talking to our driver and others that I get the same : opinion from most of them. So many of you seem to want these sims to be as : realistic as they can be but when someone makes a comment on something : thats not realistic you get bent out of shape. Maybe its because some of : you don't want anyone to tell you that your still only playing a game and : your not really in the race car. <G> And for those of you who seemed to : label the job of a tire changer a flunkie, it may not be crew chief but : its not the dull 9 to 5 either. Besides that, with the fab work I do in : the shop during the week it doesn't pay that bad either. So once again to : the juviniles in here I say, WAKE UP AND GET A LIFE! Heh. heh. AOL. heh. Actually, maybe it's because you sound like an immature whiny brat. You spout off about being a "tire changer" for a Busch team, as if that's supposed to make you more credible than anyone else. Then you present a couple of points with no real back-up for them at all. That's what's getting you slammed more than anything. If you have legitimate complaints and can back them up with some intelligent discourse, they'll be listened to. But you come in here saying basically "No spotter talks like that, Darlington is wrong, and I should know cuz I'm a tire changer" you're gonna get laughed at. So the spotter doesn't say the right things? What should he be saying? Darlington's incorrect? How exactly is it incorrect? Have you DRIVEN Darlington? At speed? In a WC car as opposed to a Busch car? No one has a problem with ANYONE saying something is not realistic. In fact when it comes from someone who is involved with racing it's probably even more invited. But there's a problem with someone ranting about a sim and giving no rationalization for their rant other than "I'm a tire changer." Give some proof to your claims & discuss them like an *** insetad of saying "NC2 sucks, nyaaa nyaaa nyaaa" and we'll listen to you. Doug Hillman

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> Gee fellas, > Some of you guys are way too high strung. I've seen two post atleast that > said its not the fact that I mentioned the work I did but that I mentioned > it first. SO WHAT!! Am I suppose to take paragraph phrasing lessons from > you experts now? I simply mentioned what I did for a living and that > because of that and talking to our driver and others that I get the same > opinion from most of them. So many of you seem to want these sims to be as > realistic as they can be but when someone makes a comment on something > thats not realistic you get bent out of shape. Maybe its because some of > you don't want anyone to tell you that your still only playing a game and > your not really in the race car. <G> And for those of you who seemed to > label the job of a tire changer a flunkie, it may not be crew chief but > its not the dull 9 to 5 either. Besides that, with the fab work I do in > the shop during the week it doesn't pay that bad either. So once again to > the juviniles in here I say, WAKE UP AND GET A LIFE!

By stating that you were a "TIRE" guy, simply implied that you wanted people that read this newsgroup to know you thought you knew what you were talking about, when in fact your a T-I-R-E changer not a D-R-I-V-E-R. So as far as a "mention" its hard to believe thats all it was. So whos the Bush series driver that drives for your team and has the same opinion you do about Nascar2? Why didnt you "mention" that?! All and all your post imply that because your a T-I-R-E changer that you know the difference between the way a REAL nascar "feels" and handles compared to the property characteristics of a Nascar SIM. NOT that tire guys were "flunkies" or we didnt know we were only racing a "virtual" sim. It sounds like your defending your position in your career than really making any intellegent remarks about the "realism" of Nascar2. Just my nickel, -DG- (someone with no life that thinks hes really driving a Nascar)

> Heh. heh. AOL. heh. Does AOL stand for *** On LIne? It must based on this idiot.

> HOW hard can it possibly be to change a tire??? > ive had more of a challenge clipping my toenails. Ya...but can you clip four in less than 16 seconds??? :)

HOW hard can it possibly be to change a tire??? ive had more of a challenge clipping my toenails. :)

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>> Gee fellas, >> Some of you guys are way too high strung. I've seen two post atleast that >> said its not the fact that I mentioned the work I did but that I mentioned >> it first. SO WHAT!! Am I suppose to take paragraph phrasing lessons from >> you experts now? I simply mentioned what I did for a living and that >> because of that and talking to our driver and others that I get the same >> opinion from most of them. So many of you seem to want these sims to be as >> realistic as they can be but when someone makes a comment on something >> thats not realistic you get bent out of shape. Maybe its because some of >> you don't want anyone to tell you that your still only playing a game and >> your not really in the race car. <G> And for those of you who seemed to >> label the job of a tire changer a flunkie, it may not be crew chief but >> its not the dull 9 to 5 either. Besides that, with the fab work I do in >> the shop during the week it doesn't pay that bad either. So once again to >> the juviniles in here I say, WAKE UP AND GET A LIFE! >By stating that you were a "TIRE" guy, simply implied that you wanted >people that read >this newsgroup to know you thought you knew what you were talking about, >when in fact >your a T-I-R-E changer not a D-R-I-V-E-R. So as far as a "mention" its >hard to believe >thats all it was. So whos the Bush series driver that drives for your >team and has the same opinion >you do about Nascar2? Why didnt you "mention" that?! All and all your >post imply that because your a T-I-R-E >changer that you know the difference between the way a REAL nascar >"feels" and handles compared to the >property characteristics of a Nascar SIM. NOT that tire guys were >"flunkies" or we didnt know we were only >racing a "virtual" sim. It sounds like your defending your position in >your career than really making >any intellegent remarks about the "realism" of Nascar2. >Just my nickel, >-DG- (someone with no life that thinks hes really driving a Nascar)

Think so? ;) Marc J. Nelson Sim Racing News - USA [link lost in import]

It's your own fault for that...Anyway you look at it, it's still a game. Perhaps you should tread a bit lighter when posting to this news- group...Fire-retardent suits and extiguishers are must items. ;) Marc J. Nelson - N2Beta Sim Racing News - USA

If it isn't that hard to change a tire, then why don't the drivers come down pit road, jump out of the car, and change the tires themselves? This is coming from a driver in the Winston racing series. I raced at Kingsport last year and Coeburn the year before last. Without the guys helping me in the crew, I would have not even made it to the track. Thanks Scott, Slick, and Wayne. You are the best!!!!!! Kerry Grant

I will say this; It is very tough to change a tire on a car under pressure. If you are sitting in the pits while not racing, it's a breeze. But if your driver comes in with a flat under a green flag or even under caution, it does get kind of tough. Mike

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> If it isn't that hard to change a tire, then why don't the drivers come > down pit road, jump out of the car, and change the tires themselves? Heheh, they do that here at Race City Speedway sometimes. Amature enduro races. 150 laps around the 1/2 mile, high banked oval (exactly like Bristol) in a bare bones "stock" car. Each driver must pit at least once, and get out and change at least one tire himself (usually the RF). It's really funny to see that. The crew can get the jack and tire iron ready for him :) but he has to run around and loosen the nuts, jack up the car, change it and tighten it, run around and get back in and start it up and GO (if it will start :) Or 250 lap races and NO tire changes! If you pit under green you lose 5-10 laps. No airtools here :) These are stock 70 series bias ply. I think these guys know alot about tire wear :) I've gone to the pits after races and checked out some of those tires. Worn right down to the chords, hehe. Looking at all the damage is fun too. We get lot's of big showings here but the enduro's are the most fun to watch. Too many amatures going too fast (and too slow) around that kind of track :) We've had 44 drivers there once on the 1/2 mile. Almost nose to tail single line restarts, hehe. Cya! Kel Calgary, Alberta CANADA

Ok BUD> I stuck up for you once, and got flamed, No big Deal, Who cares. But now you go and post like a FOOL again with the same stupid attitude!!! You made your point the first time. So now I say. SHUT THE *** UP!!!! GET A LIFE!!!!!! Now you must excuse me while I go to church;) Mr Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------

pressure. If you are sitting in with a flat under a green At a WC race I was at they had a tire change "game". Slap a timer, pick a wheel with attached lug nuts up off the ground, place it on lugs, tighten the lug nuts with an air wrench and slap the timer. Fast times required a lot of strength and coordination. Most people were pretty pathetic. It ain't easy to do, folks. bob

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> If it isn't that hard to change a tire, then why don't the drivers come > down pit road, jump out of the car, and change the tires themselves? > This is coming from a driver in the Winston racing series. I raced at > Kingsport last year and Coeburn the year before last. Without the guys > helping me in the crew, I would have not even made it to the track. > Thanks Scott, Slick, and Wayne. You are the best!!!!!! > Kerry Grant

This response is hardly fitting. Q.B.M.

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> >I will say this; It is very tough to change a tire on a car under > pressure. If you are sitting in > >the pits while not racing, it's a breeze. But if your driver comes in > with a flat under a green > >flag or even under caution, it does get kind of tough. > At a WC race I was at they had a tire change "game". Slap a > timer, pick a wheel with attached lug nuts up off the ground, place it on > lugs, tighten the lug nuts with an air wrench and slap the timer. Fast > times required a lot of strength and coordination. Most people were > pretty pathetic. It ain't easy to do, folks. > bob

The point of the original post was not the level of respect one had for a tire changer on a bush series racing team, but in fact replys to a gentleman who bashed Nascar2 for its "realism" as a true sim, unfortunately the gentleman also indicated that he was a tire changer and implied that that had something to do with his experience in giving a good critique on Nascar2 dynamics and physics model and how its properties compared to that of a real Nascar. My personal opinion was just because you change tires for a nascar racing team doenst mean your statements about the evaluation of "realism" of racing sim holds any type of significance. Its unfortunate that because of someone's "snipping" skills this poor bastards livelyhood has to be bashed. Personaly, if someone offered me that type of job, I'd take it if it paid more than I make now(brain surgeon) and especially if I wasnt married and had no local responsibilities.

> has to be bashed. Personaly, if someone offered me that type of job, I'd > take it if it > paid more than I make now(brain surgeon) and especially if I wasnt > married and had no local > responsibilities. Wow. We have a brain surgeon who is also an expert in adverti***t (see other thread), I wonder what else I missed about this DG :) Was he talking about being an expert in movie clips in the thread about frame rates, too? I don't remember. Bye Luca

> > HOW hard can it possibly be to change a tire??? > > ive had more of a challenge clipping my toenails. > Ya...but can you clip four in less than 16 seconds??? :) Great point ... NOT! How many tire changers have you seen change ALL FOUR TIRES????? In 16 seconds? Um, how about none, ever, period.

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