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hacked GP2 league

2 posts by 2 people · 11 Feb 1997 - 18 Feb 1997

David Gary 11 Feb 1997#355746
Quoted text (16 lines)> > because people like Keith here sponsor hacking as OK!! Keith please > post > > your "so-called" league information > > in rec.arcade.games NOT in rec.autos.SIMULATIONS!!! Its a joke in > here!! > > -DG- > Dave, > I didn't expect to provoke such a strong reaction. > I see your point, and perhaps I should reconsider the structure of the > league. > I will see what the interest level turns out to be. > My honest intention is to create a fair league. > Can you suggest a way to be sure that everyone else sticks to the > default software > when racing?
Well Keith, I might have jumped the gun a little bit and I hope that you dont take my post or mail as a direct attack against you. I think I should have handled it a little more softly and I respect the maturity of your reply. I can see that you understand the point of my post and have handled it professionaly. The problem with sponsoring or supporting these file editors is that it implies that it is "ok" to use them and then consider their lap times legal. I have spent countless hours on almost all the tracks in ICR1&2, Nascar1&2, and GP2 and get pretty irritated when web-sites post illegal track times due to these editors. I can speak for alot of sim fanatics. Unfortunately its not as easy to prove these times are posted with illegal editors as it is with Nascar and CART officials taking templates and different measurements on real cars to insure that fair competition is present. Its not fair to the guys who are posting "real" times to try to compete with Hackers. It doesnt take much talent to hack a file or learn these editors. It does however to actually practice enough to become good enough to have fast times. When people pay to race over the net, (i.e. Hawaii, Kali, or Kahn) it really sucks when guys that really cant run a good as line as you or have a good setup pass you with no problem because theve hacked their files and you have no chance against them. Hacking is cheating period! To have fun (what these sims were intended for) you have to have to be fair. Supporting hacking files is not considered honest among serious SIM racers. Hacking degrades reputations of people who support them and I would be very suprised to see any of the serious seasoned SIM veterans join your league or support it at all for that matter with this type of structure. "If you can't beat the cheaters join 'em" would never be my pholosophy or advice to anyone, especially new SIM fanatics. Unfortunetly until some type of utilitiy is created to insure "legality" of the files then it is basically imposible to prevent or even prove illegal lap times or online racing victories. I've seen fast veterans of these SIMs acused of cheating or hacking the files and they really didnt, instead they worked effortlessly on setups and practiced for hours at a time on certain tracks, yet they were acused anyway because of the presence of these Editors! That sucks, dont you think? The bottom line is I hope you reconsider your support for these type of rules implemented into your league. I think its great to start off-line leagues but never in this manner. I hope you can understand from someone who really supports racing SIMS as a "virtual" sport and a hobbie. In the future with the presence of tracking headgear, faster baud rates and cable optics there will be a rise in the interest and seriousness of these SIMS and with hacking editors out there already, it will not help our "virtual" sport at all and will make a unfair disadvantage to guys that deserve victories. You cant change surface or grip properties in real life racing so to be true to our "virtual" sport you shouldnt be able to change the properties in SIMULATED racing. Those interests should stay in the Arcade games,i.e. Need for speed , Screamer, etc. I hope that my information will make you think twice before structuring a web-site for these "illegal" practices. Again no heat intended towards you and I wish all the luck in your thoughtful decisions! -DAVO- P.S. Keep in touch and If I can help you in anyway please ask. If you find out about any utilities that will keep our sport fair then please notify me about them. I consider these Hacking editors SPAM and will do anything to discourage such activity.
For once, David, I actually find myself agreeing with you! Actually, with GP2 it is easily detectable. The way it stores hotlaps is more than a bit screwy but it does mean that cheats can easily be detected ;-) Cheers, Richard

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