Sprint Cars

O.K. I've been sitting here playing the latest sims from Microprose and Papyrus and all I can think of is how I wish I could drive on DIRT! Living in Central Pennsylvania, the heart of Sprint Car racing with Dirt Meccas like Williams Grove, Selinsgrove, Lincoln and Hagerstown, MD close by, I see a lot of dirt track racing. The World of Outlaws travel practically year round and are the 5th highest draw in motor sports according to TNN's coverage last Saturday night. So, the question is, why isn't anyone working on a simulation of this extremely exciting, lightning fast form of auto racing??!! Papyrus, Microprose (HAH)? Anybody else interested? I am a programmer and would love to try to replicate it. Dave Long

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>O.K. I've been sitting here playing the latest sims from Microprose >and Papyrus and all I can think of is how I wish I could drive on >DIRT! Living in Central Pennsylvania, the heart of Sprint Car racing >with Dirt Meccas like Williams Grove, Selinsgrove, Lincoln and >Hagerstown, MD close by, I see a lot of dirt track racing. The World >of Outlaws travel practically year round and are the 5th highest draw >in motor sports according to TNN's coverage last Saturday night. So, >the question is, why isn't anyone working on a simulation of this >extremely exciting, lightning fast form of auto racing??!! Papyrus, >Microprose (HAH)? Anybody else interested? I am a programmer and >would love to try to replicate it. >Dave Long

I for one would love to run sprints or any type dirt racing.Sounds good! Mike Come Visit my Bobby Labonte, NASCAR Homepage at........ HTTP://users.aol.com/Mhein68/mainp.htm

> O.K. I've been sitting here playing the latest sims from Microprose > and Papyrus and all I can think of is how I wish I could drive on > DIRT! > > Dave Long YES!!! Are you guys at papyrus listening?

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> O.K. I've been sitting here playing the latest sims from Microprose > and Papyrus and all I can think of is how I wish I could drive on > DIRT! Living in Central Pennsylvania, the heart of Sprint Car racing > with Dirt Meccas like Williams Grove, Selinsgrove, Lincoln and > Hagerstown, MD close by, I see a lot of dirt track racing. The World > of Outlaws travel practically year round and are the 5th highest draw > in motor sports according to TNN's coverage last Saturday night. So, > the question is, why isn't anyone working on a simulation of this > extremely exciting, lightning fast form of auto racing??!! Papyrus, > Microprose (HAH)? Anybody else interested? I am a programmer and > would love to try to replicate it. > Dave Long

I'll be first in line at the store on release day!

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> O.K. I've been sitting here playing the latest sims from Microprose > and Papyrus and all I can think of is how I wish I could drive on > DIRT! Living in Central Pennsylvania, the heart of Sprint Car racing > with Dirt Meccas like Williams Grove, Selinsgrove, Lincoln and > Hagerstown, MD close by, I see a lot of dirt track racing. The World > of Outlaws travel practically year round and are the 5th highest draw > in motor sports according to TNN's coverage last Saturday night. So, > the question is, why isn't anyone working on a simulation of this > extremely exciting, lightning fast form of auto racing??!! Papyrus, > Microprose (HAH)? Anybody else interested? I am a programmer and > would love to try to replicate it. > Dave Long

Couldnt agree more Dave, but please dont mention Microprose and sprint cars in the same post, Infact microprose and "sim" is pushing it a bit. A sprint car sim needs the best, Papyrus! Todd.

I concur, we need a WoO sim.

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> > O.K. I've been sitting here playing the latest sims from Microprose > > and Papyrus and all I can think of is how I wish I could drive on > > DIRT! Living in Central Pennsylvania, the heart of Sprint Car racing > > with Dirt Meccas like Williams Grove, Selinsgrove, Lincoln and > > Hagerstown, MD close by, I see a lot of dirt track racing. The World > > of Outlaws travel practically year round and are the 5th highest draw > > in motor sports according to TNN's coverage last Saturday night. So, > > the question is, why isn't anyone working on a simulation of this > > extremely exciting, lightning fast form of auto racing??!! Papyrus, > > Microprose (HAH)? Anybody else interested? I am a programmer and > > would love to try to replicate it. > > Dave Long > Couldnt agree more Dave, but please dont mention Microprose and sprint

cars > in the same post, Infact microprose and "sim" is pushing it a bit. A > sprint car sim needs the best, Papyrus! > Todd.

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> >O.K. I've been sitting here playing the latest sims from Microprose > >and Papyrus and all I can think of is how I wish I could drive on > >DIRT! Living in Central Pennsylvania, the heart of Sprint Car racing > >with Dirt Meccas like Williams Grove, Selinsgrove, Lincoln and > >Hagerstown, MD close by, I see a lot of dirt track racing. The World > >of Outlaws travel practically year round and are the 5th highest draw > >in motor sports according to TNN's coverage last Saturday night. So, > >the question is, why isn't anyone working on a simulation of this > >extremely exciting, lightning fast form of auto racing??!! Papyrus, > >Microprose (HAH)? Anybody else interested? I am a programmer and > >would love to try to replicate it. > >Dave Long > I for one would love to run sprints or any type dirt racing.Sounds good! > Mike > Come Visit my Bobby Labonte, NASCAR Homepage at........ > HTTP://users.aol.com/Mhein68/mainp.htm

Well there is the old game Mario Andretti's Racing Challenge. It has sprints.............. -- Todo Es Justo En Amor Y Carreras. The Rusty Wallace Miller Genuine Draft stock car, awsome when opened up! GO#2! Mullins Motorsports Inc. http://www.***tron.com/~ddmj

Im not sure about the URL..But if you guys can find the Simulated Auto Racing page for "Internet Grand National" They have a Dirt Modified Series that uses the Papyrus sim Nascar Racing 1.. They have tweaked the tracks and the Cars to look like Dirt Modifieds..They have also tweaked the tracks to LOOK and DRIVE like your on dirt.. Check it out !! Its the next best thing until someone puts out a sim especially designed for Dirt Racing.. Hope this helps you guys out. Later, Mick

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> > O.K. I've been sitting here playing the latest sims from Microprose > > and Papyrus and all I can think of is how I wish I could drive on > > DIRT! > > > Dave Long > YES!!! Are you guys at papyrus listening?

No.........................

Uhm, actually Nascar 2 was delayed a week, has a few bugs, and they are working on patch right now. Also, I heard that there might be a second sim released this year by Papyrus, and that might be a drag racing or dirt sim. A drag sim would probably something more of a strategy game, since you'll be setting up the car for the majority of the time. There is also a demand for a sim that simulates classic F1. The market isn't limited to the United States, and there are lots of people out there that would like to see a sim like this.

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>> > O.K. I've been sitting here playing the latest sims from Microprose >> > and Papyrus and all I can think of is how I wish I could drive on >> > DIRT! > >> > Dave Long >> YES!!! Are you guys at papyrus listening? >No.........................

I doubt they will do anything any time soon other than the old grand prix sim (for all that's worth). No sprint cars, no drag racing... Maybe some other company will notice there is a demand for each of these sims and take away some of Papyrus' market share in the racing sim market...maybe even Microprose or Microsoft <perish the thought :|>. Then they will learn to find what out what the customer wants and not what they think the customer wants. It seems to me like Papyrus is suffering from the "Sierra Syndrome" at the present time. Just like Dynamix a few years ago, Papyrus was putting out some great stuff before Sierra bought them out and effectively ruined them...delayed releases, lots of bugs in the programs when they do come out then no patches to fix those bugs, etc. Kevin

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>It seems to me like Papyrus is suffering from the "Sierra Syndrome" at the >present time. Just like Dynamix a few years ago, Papyrus was putting out some >great stuff before Sierra bought them out and effectively ruined >them...delayed releases, lots of bugs in the programs when they do come out >then no patches to fix those bugs, etc. >Kevin

Kevin, I'm sorry but I don't know what Papyrus sims you are talking about. ICR1 and Nascar 1 were pre-sierra and had just as many bugs, etc as their last two releases of ICR2 and Nascar2. I've noticed no difference in quality since their association with Sierra. The last 3 products have had drop dead release dates for the Christmas selling season regardless of quality or game features. Period. Regarding the sprint car, drag racing sims, give me the real market for those games. Let's also consider that they are producing games for a world market, not just insulated USA. The market for an historical F1 sim is HUGE compared to sprint cars or drag racing when considered in a world context. If it was my money funding the game development, it would be on the F1 sim every time. I think the idea of creating a career game ala the poorly done Mario Andretti racing game would be nice but would require a huge amount of investment due to the different types of racing, rules, AI, physics, etc. There is nothing like the roar of a double-A fuel dragster but a sim of that would leave me cold. Unless I could make the neighborhood shake, I wouldn't be interested... ;) Jeff