How about an IRL sim?

What are everybody's idea about an irl sim using the new G-force chassis? I think they looked cool and when I went to the Indy 200 at the Mickyard they raced really well. I think it would be cool to take one and do a few laps at indy 8) Thanks Obi-Wan

What the hell are you talking about, who would buy this crap, IRL is one of the worst racing leagues i`ve ever saw. it`s a failure.

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> > What are everybody's idea about an irl sim using the new G-force > > chassis? I think they looked cool and when I went to the Indy 200 at > > the Mickyard they raced really well. I think it would be cool to take > > one and do a few laps at indy 8) > > Thanks > > Obi-Wan > What the hell are you talking about, who would buy this crap, IRL is one > of the worst racing leagues i`ve ever saw. > it`s a failure.

OK....here we go with this one....I feel th eIRL is THE best open-wheel series. CART is just like Formula 1 in my opinion; a bunch of rich guys with nowhere else to spend money. The IRL, on the other hand, is full of oval-track talent. Tony Stewart, whom I met at Richmond at a USAC Silver Crown and Midget race, is one of the best drivers I have ever seen in an open-wheel car. Granted, his equipment may be lacking sometimes, but watch this kid in the future: he'll be the next Jeff Gordon.

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> > What are everybody's idea about an irl sim using the new G-force > > chassis? I think they looked cool and when I went to the Indy 200 at > > the Mickyard they raced really well. I think it would be cool to take > > one and do a few laps at indy 8) > > Thanks > > Obi-Wan > What the hell are you talking about, who would buy this crap, IRL is one > of the worst racing leagues i`ve ever saw. > it`s a failure.

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> OK....here we go with this one....I feel th eIRL is THE best > open-wheel series. CART is just like Formula 1 in my opinion; a bunch > of rich guys with nowhere else to spend money. > The IRL, on the other hand, is full of oval-track talent. Tony > Stewart, whom I met at Richmond at a USAC Silver Crown and Midget race, > is one of the best drivers I have ever seen in an open-wheel car. > Granted, his equipment may be lacking sometimes, but watch this kid in > the future: he'll be the next Jeff Gordon.

A couple of points from me, not that you asked but that's not the point. 1.This discussion has been done over and over, and this really isn't the place to do it. But I will anyway. 2.CART is not Formula 1, Formula 1 has far better drivers and equipment, ask Michael Andretti if you don't believe me, or on the flip side, ask Nigel Mansell. 3.I like the entire concept of the IRL, and if everyone could just get past the Indy thing they'd probably like it too. If they can't get past the Indy thing, I can't really blame them. It's the one thing I still don't agree with. If they leave the indy 500 alone I don't think any of the court and other power struggles would have happened. 4.Tony Stewart is a great talent, but as of yet unproven in NASCAR. But even all that aside I just think it's terribly unfair to try to compare him with anybody in any way. I pass the stage to anyone else now, sorry for taking up your time. -- Brian Kinkaid bnk29 on Hawaii CNSRL & CNSRL-FSS carset project member http://www.maplecity.com/~bnk29/index.html/

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> > > What are everybody's idea about an irl sim using the new G-force > > > chassis? I think they looked cool and when I went to the Indy 200 at > > > the Mickyard they raced really well. I think it would be cool to take > > > one and do a few laps at indy 8) > > > Thanks > > > Obi-Wan

Well We might have to settle on something like that if this rumor about SONY goes through and buys the licence for CART. The IRL actually does have some decent racers and I've seen these guys race hard and crazy!(I guess because its a new league and they see the opportunity to get coverage instead of all the Marlboro cars hogging the scene) But if I like anything about IRL, it would be that those cars are DAMN fast and I wouldnt mind givin one of those buicks a spin!! The only thing I dont(i mean REALLY DONT) like about the IRL is that idiot Tony George! If his grandmother where still around she'd slap the shit outa him!! Give a spoiled brat THE most famous track in the world and what does he do, but ruin one of the most upheld and respected events in our American history only because of his greed for power! I actaully drove on Disney's track and what a cool little tri-oval!! I live in Orlando and I was taking a buddy of mine to work at Planet Hollywood and we had some time to spare, so I said, Hey lets go drive on the new MickYard!! Well he thought I was just teasin! We drove down to the ticket booth where you buy your parking ticket and my buddy says Im not payin to park in the Magic Kingdom just to see the outside of the track! I said dont worry about it, I got it covered! As we approched the ticket gate, I told the very nice young man that we where there to meet some sponsors at the track and, wala!, he gave us directions to the track and let us through! Well my friend was e***d that we had a chance to see the outside of the track and truthfully I thought thats all we would see. (this is about 3 months before the debut race) Well, anyway I drove around and you couldnt see anything of the track because the banks were so high. We got around to the back stretch and I saw an opening in the wall where some guys were painting the retaining wall. I told my friend, Hey lets take a spin, he said "yeah, right!" I pulled up to one of the toothless painters and said, "could you please move those orange cones, we're here to see management about promotion work". This ole' guy says "yeah, just drive on around and you can park on pit row and go into that portable trailer" in the infield. I said thank you and proceeded to drive through turn no.1 Now I didnt have a 300z or Supra by far, but I was in my wife's GSX Storm(I know) but it had a little pickup it still seemed I was crawling even though I got her up to about 90mph! Well to make a long story short(if I already havent(g)) We bullshitted these guys in the trailer for a few minutes until they pretty much said, get the hell outa here in a nice way and pulled the car outa pit row and proceeded to finish our famous lap at the Mick Yard. I'm on my way now to party for 24 hours at the lemans race at Daytona Speedway and will post some PICS when I get them developed on rec.auto.binaries.sims or whatever that newsgroup is called. -David Gary-

> > OK....here we go with this one....I feel th eIRL is THE best > > open-wheel series. CART is just like Formula 1 in my opinion; a bunch > > of rich guys with nowhere else to spend money. > > The IRL, on the other hand, is full of oval-track talent. Tony > > Stewart, whom I met at Richmond at a USAC Silver Crown and Midget race, > > is one of the best drivers I have ever seen in an open-wheel car. You must not have seen many ..... So what? Gordon is a stiff who couldn't possibly win in CART. He'd be the american Raul Boesel ...... You are both laughable idiots. CART is by far the best, most challenging open wheel series in the world. The drivers, teams and competition are unmatched. F-1 is an engineering series, period. The driver is an after thought. The IRL is below both Indy Lights and Toyota Atlantic's in both teams and driver quality. And the racing in those series is far better. How about asking Jacques Villenuve? And would that be the Nigel Mansell who went 0-16 in his second CART season and promptly took his ball and went to F-1, where he proceeded to win the Aussie GP with ease? Man, I highly recommend a quick and painless sterilization procedure for both of you, you're to dumb to reproduce ........

What you MIGHT fail to realize here is that the IRL is an oval-only series. I don't particularly care for road racing at all (CART or F1). I grew up around short track racing, and that's where my opinionated remarks lie. The IRL is allowing drivers that come from an oval background to have a shot at the Indy 500. If the CART guys want to run at Indy, let them spend the money to build new cars and allow them to run with the IRL at Indy. Yeah, well, you're "too" dumb to spell "too" correctly....

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> What you MIGHT fail to realize here is that the IRL is an oval-only > series. I don't particularly care for road racing at all (CART or F1). > I grew up around short track racing, and that's where my opinionated > remarks lie. The IRL is allowing drivers that come from an oval > background to have a shot at the Indy 500. If the CART guys want to run > at Indy, let them spend the money to build new cars and allow them to > run with the IRL at Indy.

This only confirms that you are one of the inbred Indiana morons who think people should care about "short track" racing. Next time you and 2,000 of your chromosomally challenged pals are watching a bunch of farm boys slog around in the mud, say to yourself "this is all the IRL fans in world". And just think, you can all get togther in 1998 and cry when the IRL collapses from lack of sponsorship and fan interest. Actually, I did spell "to" correctly. It is a question of usage. This explains why you can't tell the difference between the IRL and actual racing. Remember, CART has more cars for a test session than the IRL can muster for a "race" (if you can call 18 cars running in single file a "race").

< And Bobby Hamilton. I think TGeorge will make the step to F1 after. With Jacques Villeneuve! [===] Go R. Barrichello, Jacques Villeneuve, | ! | And all you that thinks that Jacques Villeneuve is |!| from Canada, your right!! He's from St-Jean sur le |o| Richelieu, 30 minutes from Montreal, Quebec, Canada. [--I--] v Fran?ois Mnard "Wasupe LeGrand" Nicolas Mnard "Nien Numb" Nien Numb in the National Star Wars League(X-Wing vs Tie-Fighter league) http://www.dakotacom.net/~strange/ http://www.starwars.com/ Star Wars Trilogy Special Edition,N2,Gp2,Icr2.How can my life be better? May the force be with you, always!! Que la force soit avec toi, jamais!(for you French people) Excuse me for my poor English(I'm French speaking)

Jeff Gordon Rocks. At his age he's not quite mature but next year his experience will put him first in the WC. Jacqques Villeneuve is the best driver in F1. And he would be the best driver in CART. And in IRL. And in Nascar. So he's the pilot in the world. Better that KING Hiro. :) [===] Go R. Barrichello, Jacques Villeneuve, | ! | And all you that thinks that Jacques Villeneuve is |!| from Canada, your right!! He's from St-Jean sur le |o| Richelieu, 30 minutes from Montreal, Quebec, Canada. [--I--] v Fran?ois Mnard "Wasupe LeGrand" Nicolas Mnard "Nien Numb" Nien Numb in the National Star Wars League(X-Wing vs Tie-Fighter league) http://www.dakotacom.net/~strange/ http://www.starwars.com/ Star Wars Trilogy Special Edition,N2,Gp2,Icr2.How can my life be better? May the force be with you, always!! Que la force soit avec toi, jamais!(for you French people) Excuse me for my poor English(I'm French speaking)

Where in the hell did you go to school? Or were you too cool and smart to stay in school and instead went around blasting everyones opinion saying that disco is the end all to music? -- "You stick to driving your typewriter and I'll stick to driving the racecars"-Freejack David W. McFarland '87 LX hatch

At least they are smart enough to know that they might be TOO dumb to reproduce. You know what they say about opinions.. well leave these guys alone to state theirs. -- "You stick to driving your typewriter and I'll stick to driving the racecars"-Freejack David W. McFarland '87 LX hatch

I think an IRL Sim would do well. I also think that's very sad. CART proved something, in my eyes: anybody racer can get good at oval racing. Just look at Jaques Villeneuve and Nigel Mansel these guys had little to no oval experience and went on to win on ovals consistantly. On the other hand when was the last time you saw an "Oval Tallent" do well in road racing. Take a look at America's beloved NASCAR. Every year they race at Watkin's Glen and It's not a bad race. At the end of the race, though, where are Robby Gordon, Bill Elliot, or any other championship contendor's for that matter.(sorry I'm not up to date on who the best drivers are so DON'T e-mail me pointing out some glaring omision because I don't care) The IRL was created because foreign drivers were coming into CART and dominating. Who could blame them, here was a series with lots of sponsership, television coverage and international recognition and it was 3 times more competitive than F1. Not to mention cheaper and easier to get a ride in. Since Americans weren't ruling the roost any more several big money owners pulled out and started their own league, were they could win again. Sounds alot like when you were a kid and the guy who always lost ran crying that he would start his own game and you wouldn't be aloud to play, doesn't it. IROC is another perfect example of this. They take a few select European drivers (never famous ones mind you) and stick them in what are essentially homolagized stock cars next to NASCAR and Winston Cup cars. Then the American drivers win... OOWW SURPRISE!!! IMHO IROC is nothing more than an American circle jerk.(Hey why not invite Nigel and Jaques this year and see what happens???) So will an IRL sim do well? Saddly yes. But on the bright side maybe Americans can petition their local governments to start building road systems that allow them to get from one place to another with out making right turns. Then these oval tallents they develope on their computers can be put to really good use. -Marshall Mclean P.S. I haven't seen the NASCARs run at "The Glen" in quite some time. It's no longer a priority to tellevise and the broadcast is never announced in advance here. I miss it.

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>> What are everybody's idea about an irl sim using the new G-force >> chassis? I think they looked cool and when I went to the Indy 200 at >> the Mickyard they raced really well. I think it would be cool to take >> one and do a few laps at indy 8) >> Thanks >> Obi-Wan

Sega's probably already got the rights...Probably the game will be "IRL Rally" for the Saturn.

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> >> ........chassis? I think they looked cool and when I went to the Indy 200 at > >> the Mickyard they raced really well. I think it would be cool to take > >> one and do a few laps at indy 8) > >> Thanks > >> Obi-Wan > Sega's probably already got the rights...Probably the game will be "IRL > Rally" for the Saturn.

The world will probably end,....probably in the not to distant future,..probably....

They'll most likely call it "Sega IRL" (Sega Is Really Lame)... ;) Marc

reguard to reality... I can understand that as I feel much the same way (at least until you watch Alex Zanardi's banzai charge at Laguna Seca). That doesn't change the fact that the IRL is a second best series at best. Take a trip over to the Indianapolis Star's web page and check out their comments concerning the IRL. In particular their article on driver safety. So I've heard. And what did the Indy 500 have last year? A bunch of no name talent running in old cars. I'm not going to use Brayton's death as a symbol of the IRL beacause that could have happened in a CART car or a F1 car. Not to be surprised, veteran Indy/CART drivers tended to finish toward the front while the rest of the pack went backward. Don't even mention 'parity' and IRL in the same sentence, though. Menard's lapping of the field at Disney put that notion to rest quite quickly. Now CART has Penske and the IRL has Mendard. Unfortunately for Penske, he has competition, Menard only has to overcome bad luck. Drop the 25/8 and it would most likely be a done deal. Precious few of those short track greats would get in to the big show though. Mike -- ___^___ Speed Bump Motorsports... The name says it all. NRL95 #110 Hershey's Kisses Chevrolet Monte Carlo SIMCAR96 #45 Hershey's Kisses Pontiac Grand Prix IGN97 #67 Hershey's Kisses Pontiac Grand Prix part of "The Pit Crew" http://www.theuspits.com/

> I think an IRL Sim would do well. I also think that's very sad. > CART proved something, in my eyes: anybody racer can get good at oval > racing. Just look at Jaques Villeneuve and Nigel Mansel these guys had > little to no oval experience and went on to win on ovals consistantly. J.V.? what about indy lights? that has ovals. I'm not posotive what he did before that, but Nige is the perfect example like you say. On

The IRL will be gone by the time develpment on an IRL sim is finished!

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> > I think an IRL Sim would do well. I also think that's very sad. > > CART proved something, in my eyes: anybody racer can get good at oval > > racing. Just look at Jaques Villeneuve and Nigel Mansel these guys had > > little to no oval experience and went on to win on ovals consistantly. > J.V.? what about indy lights? that has ovals. I'm not posotive what he > did before that, but Nige is the perfect example like you say.

Don't think J.V. was in indy light. May be in Formula Atlantic. J.V. is one of the most all-around road/short-oval/superspeedway best driver. Like Nigel or E.Fittipaldi. Good race at the Brickyard, [===] Go Rubens Barrichello, Jacques Villeneuve, | ! | And all you that thinks that Jacques Villeneuve is |!| from Canada, your right!! He's from St-Jean sur le |o| Richelieu, 30 minutes from Montreal, Quebec, Canada. [--I--] v Fran?ois Mnard "Wasupe LeGrand" Nicolas Mnard "Nien Numb" Nien Numb in the National Star Wars League(X-Wing vs Tie-Fighter league) http://www.dakotacom.net/~strange/ http://www.starwars.com/ Star Wars Trilogy Special Edition,N2,Gp2,Icr2.How can my life be better? May the force be with you, always!! Que la force soit avec toi, jamais!(for you French people) Excuse me for my poor English(I'm French speaking)

It can be done....Reduce your frame rate to about 5 on any existing sim