FREE $$$$$ FOR GP2 PATCH MAKERS!!!!

Ok, you see these messages all the time, I know they get annoying, But if you are an excellent patch writer, and you know about GP2 by microprose, you can earn $90 New zealand.(approx $62 dollars American). This (Im not sure) could be impossible but, all I want is for somone to make a patch reletivly free of bugs(major ones that is .ie Crash the computer) so you can FLIP the car and/or make it so you can go higher than the limit that the program makes(The height of the *** at Monaco or the bridge at suzuka). I am NOT joking!!! Just make a patch and send it to me via e-mail. If I find it satisfactory and the game playable, I will send you $90 NZ. And then with your permission I will release it on my pages at: [link lost in import] So if you have the skills to dealve deep into the program of gp2 and change it so It wont kick up a fuss, then you might have $90 in your pocket!!!! Thankyou Julian Maxwell

>Ok, you see these messages all the time, I know they get annoying, >But if you are an excellent patch writer, and you know about GP2 by >microprose, you can earn $90 New zealand.(approx $62 dollars >American). Make it $90k and it could possibly be worth the effort. No seriously, it seems you have absolutely no idea of how many hours of work it would take. My formula would be: estimate_of_hours*$200*1.3 Where - estimate_of_hours is at least greater than 1000 - $200 is the hourly rate - 1.3 is a risc-factor Greetings :-) Patrick Frants -- /***************************************************************\ Doing: RCFS (Radio Control Flight Simulator)

Ok, you see these messages all the time, I know they get annoying, But if you are an excellent patch writer, and you know about GP2 by microprose, you can earn $90 New zealand.(approx $62 dollars American). This (Im not sure) could be impossible but, all I want is for somone to make a patch reletivly free of bugs(major ones that is .ie Crash the computer) so you can FLIP the car and/or make it so you can go higher than the limit that the program makes(The height of the *** at Monaco or the bridge at suzuka). I am NOT joking!!! Just make a patch and send it to me via e-mail. If I find it satisfactory and the game playable, I will send you $90 NZ. And then with your permission I will release it on my pages at: [link lost in import] So if you have the skills to dealve deep into the program of gp2 and change it so It wont kick up a fuss, then you might have $90 in your pocket!!!! Thankyou Julian Maxwell

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> Ok, you see these messages all the time, I know they get annoying, > But if you are an excellent patch writer, and you know about GP2 by > microprose, you can earn $90 New zealand.(approx $62 dollars > American). > This (Im not sure) could be impossible but, all I want is for somone > to make a patch reletivly free of bugs(major ones that is .ie Crash > the computer) so you can FLIP the car and/or make it so you can go > higher than the limit that the program makes(The height of the *** > at Monaco or the bridge at suzuka). > I am NOT joking!!! > Just make a patch and send it to me via e-mail. If I find it > satisfactory and the game playable, I will send you $90 NZ. > And then with your permission I will release it on my pages at: > [link lost in import] > So if you have the skills to dealve deep into the program of gp2 and > change it so It wont kick up a fuss, then you might have $90 in your > pocket!!!! > Thankyou > Julian Maxwell

You better come up with a hell of a lot more money than 90 New Zealand dollars to complete what Microprose didnt nearly finish!! Theres no such thing as a "patch" for this sim. Thats why Microprose hasnt announced a "patch" for this sim. Hell, they havent announced thier existence in this newsgroup at all!! This sim needs alot more than a patch my man! This sim needs to be FINISHED before patching it! No heat intended toward you Julian, but your post is just another prime example of this Sim not being acceptable by the "true" racing sim community! I think its a great Idea that someone like you tries to make this sim better. It is a great start for a F1 sim, but its FAR from finished! We paid full price for half a game and that just isnt right. People say just return it! But most software places wont take it back! and its too late for a lot of people that dont have a whole lot of time to play it and figure out a month later that its missing TOO many things to be considered even shareware and then try to return it! Hopefully someone from Microprose is reading this and Im sure they are. As a matter of fact, HEY GUYS! YOUR SIM SUCKS!! Isnt it strange the way you never see Microprose's designers post in here?! It just goes to show you , they know what kinda ***they've sold us and arent going to begin to defend themselves! The only people that defend them are the newbies that have never owned a complete sim, i.e. Nascar2, ICR1&2. There was no doubt in my mind that Papy would'nt let us down with their latest sim, because they have had a good reputation in the past and they also post in here frequently to help these guys out! Now thats someone that takes pride in their work! Can you believe the only bashing ive seen in here on N2, is things like undesirable mouse options and one IA bug at Atlanta! Unbelievable how some people can *** over the littlest things and then how you dont see enough people complaining about getting a game with NO multi-player option, NO sound, NO acceptable framerate, NO utilities, NO tech support, NO..........nothin!! Again Julian, please dont take offense, its not directed towards you, but if you bought a microwave from Sears only to find out it didnt cook you food any quicker than a "conventional" oven, wouldnt you feel like you 've been had?!! Why would software be any different?!! Good luck with your quest to make this sim better, because it had a good start, It just didnt make it half-way to the finsh line and thats too bad because alot of these guys in here(including myself) have spent hard-earned money on FAST pentiums only to have to put up with ***from "grab the money and run" companies like Microprose! Thanks alot MP, we'll remember you in the future! Its too bad too because I love F1 racing to death, but a patch wont get us there, only a "COMPLETED" GP3!! -David Gary-

I know some REAL good hackers & programmers that could look into it. Cost you $40.00 an hour Canadian. 8hr day.Paid lunch. Would take about 6 months. No money back refund if they can't do it. Perhaps you should hound Microprose. It's their Shitty program.

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> Ok, you see these messages all the time, I know they get annoying, > But if you are an excellent patch writer, and you know about GP2 by > microprose, you can earn $90 New zealand.(approx $62 dollars > American). > This (Im not sure) could be impossible but, all I want is for somone > to make a patch reletivly free of bugs(major ones that is .ie Crash > the computer) so you can FLIP the car and/or make it so you can go > higher than the limit that the program makes(The height of the *** > at Monaco or the bridge at suzuka). > I am NOT joking!!! > Just make a patch and send it to me via e-mail. If I find it > satisfactory and the game playable, I will send you $90 NZ. > And then with your permission I will release it on my pages at: > [link lost in import] > So if you have the skills to dealve deep into the program of gp2 and > change it so It wont kick up a fuss, then you might have $90 in your > pocket!!!! > Thankyou > Julian Maxwell

Now wait a minute. I have never seen a Canadian hacker contract that didn't include a "and ALL the Beer We Can Drink" clause. I question the validity of your offer. ;-)

David Gary wrote : I too am pissed at the fact that I help support the MPS by purchasing GP2. I have sent 2 emails to their tech. dept and wow what a suprise no reply. Its ***in stupid to have a P200Intel w/ 64meg of EDOram and 4 meg of vid ram(Matrox Mystique) and STILL run the game without the all the details on. (sky, details in mirrors etc.) to name a few***ups. Is anyone else up to doing more than whine like what Im doing ? Waiting this long for a patch or EVEN for a reponse is now TOO LONG. What I would like to know here is HAVE all of the GP2 owners who have just let their copy sit on the shelf or are putting up w/ the game sent email to MPS to *** about changes ?? If not perhaps ask a collective group(rec.autos.sim) and collectivly send e-mail to MPS till they shut the site down from overload or get an answer ?? Any other suggestions ???? Jude R. AC Cobra(590hp) SHO(225hp) Windstar(It carries the kids and the spare parts)

I forget the exact e-mail address, but try to send some e-mail to Spectrum Holobyte. They should answer you. I wrote them the other day and they replied within 2 hours.

<snip> Jezus, man! Did your girlfriend just leave you or something?? Are you an ex-employee of Microprose? You are overreacting , and you know it. (Or I *hope* you realise it like any sane person) Gp2 is not perfect. Some critique is legitimate. The fps system has it's drawbacks. There's no weather support (although it isn't on the box either). And Monaco isn't exactly fluent when played in SVGA full detail. It's also a shame that there's no 3D support, nor Win95. But: -development started a few YEARS ago. No traces of Win95 or 3D cards at that moment. Also, 3D card standards have not really settled: what type to choose? -good weather simulation is impossible without using dedicated hardware -Monaco isn't fluent, yes. But the level of detail at which this happens offers an almost _photographic_ representation! That's not a matter of bad coding, that's a matter of offering icing on the cake for the near future. You (I and the others?) will still enjoy Monaco in two years time (SVGA, full detail) while other sims will be (visually) obsolete. -Gp2 offers some excellent competitors AI and great car-movement. Name ANY other sim where the car bounces around like that. Try to stay objective in your comments JH ------- The best way to accelerate a Mac is 9.81 m/s2 -------- --------------------------------------------------------------

Here here! I want my microwave patched! Where are you, Whirlpool? YOUR MICROWAVE SUCKS! YOU SUCK TOO! YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF....oh, sorry. Bill Jenkins http://www.wiu.edu/users/muwtj1 The Chevrolet Beretta Home Page

> Did your girlfriend just leave....<useless babble snipped> Complaining is not the point, stating the facts are. I am not posting my articles to target people who already own GP2, but the people who are thinking about buying it. Fortunately for my time's sake this excludes you. Is this the only thing you base your SIMS on. This game is incomplete, period. The graphics and IA in this SIM are great, but these are clouded by the all the things that are unfinished in this SIM. Of the newest and best sims to date, N2, ICR2, N1, F22 runs fluid as water on my system and their graphics stand alone compared to GP2 because of their ENGINE. Theres time for compromise and then theres time for having to put up with Bullshit! Well if you like GP2 and have fun then thats what its all about! I, on the other hand can smell bullshit, no matter how much icing you put on it. If you like it so much then why would you be wasting your time replying to my posts? The Bottm line is: With NO multi-player option, NO sound, NO acceptable framerate, NO utilities, NO tech support, NO..........nothin, this game should be sold for nothin! Its a ripp off!!...nuff said. -DG-

On Fri, 31 Jan 1997 22:00:59 -0500, David Gary

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>> But if you are an excellent patch writer, and you know about GP2 by >> microprose, you can earn $90 New zealand.(approx $62 dollars >> American). >This sim needs to be FINISHED >before patching it! No heat intended toward you Julian, but your post is >just another prime example of >this Sim not being acceptable by the "true" racing sim community!

Can you please define the term "true" racing sim community? What makes you think you can act as a spokesman of this "community"? That is unless you define it as "we ***agers who flood this newsgroup with stupid posts about XX sucks and other non-relavent topics". What do you mean? What isn't right? Instead of just complaining you could atleast be specific about the shortcomings of the game. Here we go again.... You start to remind me of one of my friends mother when she has her menstruation. It would indeed be very nice to have someone from MPS active in this group. But considering guys like you will flame them as soon as they show up they never will. And I don't blame them. IMHO GP2 is a very good game, so is NCR, NCR2, ICR1 and ICR2 which I also own. < Papyrus praise snipped> Yes indeed, quite unbelievable...... I guess you're not talking about GP2 here. Last time I played it it had all the things you mentioned above. And there is a lot more utils for GP2 than for any of Papyrus games. And more will come. Huh? Considering GP2 was late by about a year because things were being added, this "grab the money and run" doesn't really fit when talking about GP2. MPS were in financial crises at the time and could have released it then for a shortsighted attempt to ease the pressure. GP2 isn't perfect, it isn't running as smooth as perhaps it should be, their support isn't great and it would be nice with network support etc. But all these things should have been known to you when you bought the game, considering you're a member of the "true racing sim community". To use your microwave metaphor - you wouldn't complain if your microwave didn't slice you bread, would you? I hope you just had a bad day, otherwise you need to rethink about your attitude towards life. /Martin

I love to complain about everithing,my stupid dog, my 286 anything!!!! But the thing I adore is to *** against GP2 and I know everithing that you don't know bunch of stupid idiotics newbies of simulations From the GREAT DAVID GARY!!!! -DG-

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> On Fri, 31 Jan 1997 22:00:59 -0500, David Gary > >> But if you are an excellent patch writer, and you know about GP2 by > >> microprose, you can earn $90 New zealand.(approx $62 dollars > >> American). > >This sim needs to be FINISHED > >before patching it! No heat intended toward you Julian, but your post is > >just another prime example of > >this Sim not being acceptable by the "true" racing sim community! > Can you please define the term "true" racing sim community? What makes > you think you can act as a spokesman of this "community"? That is > unless you define it as "we ***agers who flood this newsgroup with > stupid posts about XX sucks and other non-relavent topics". > > I think its a great Idea that someone like you tries to make this sim > >better. It is a great start for a F1 sim, but its FAR from finished! We > >paid full price for half a game and that just isnt right. > What do you mean? What isn't right? Instead of just complaining you > could atleast be specific about the shortcomings of the game. > >Hopefully someone from Microprose > >is reading this and Im sure they are. As a matter of fact, HEY GUYS! > >YOUR SIM SUCKS!! > Here we go again.... > You start to remind me of one of my friends mother when she has her > menstruation. > >Isnt it strange the way you never see Microprose's > >designers post in here?! It just goes to show you , they know what kinda > >***they've sold us and arent going to begin to defend themselves! > It would indeed be very nice to have someone from MPS active in this > group. But considering guys like you will flame them as soon as they > show up they never will. And I don't blame them. > >The > >only people that defend them are the newbies that have never owned a > >complete sim, i.e. Nascar2, ICR1&2. > IMHO GP2 is a very good game, so is NCR, NCR2, ICR1 and ICR2 which I > also own. > < Papyrus praise snipped> > >Can you believe the only bashing ive seen in here on N2, is things like > >undesirable mouse options and one IA bug at Atlanta! Unbelievable how > >some people can *** over the littlest things ...... > Yes indeed, quite unbelievable...... > >and then how you dont > >see enough people complaining about getting a game with NO multi-player > >option, NO sound, NO acceptable framerate, NO utilities, NO tech > >support, NO..........nothin!! > I guess you're not talking about GP2 here. Last time I played it it > had all the things you mentioned above. And there is a lot more utils > for GP2 than for any of Papyrus games. And more will come. > >but if you bought a microwave from Sears > >only to find out it didnt cook you food any quicker than a > >"conventional" oven, wouldnt you feel like you 've been had?!! Why would > >software be any different?!! > Huh? > >hard-earned money on FAST pentiums only to have to put up with ***from > >"grab the money and run" companies like Microprose! Thanks alot MP, > Considering GP2 was late by about a year because things were being > added, this "grab the money and run" doesn't really fit when talking > about GP2. MPS were in financial crises at the time and could have > released it then for a shortsighted attempt to ease the pressure. > GP2 isn't perfect, it isn't running as smooth as perhaps it should be, > their support isn't great and it would be nice with network support > etc. > But all these things should have been known to you when you bought the > game, considering you're a member of the "true racing sim community". > To use your microwave metaphor - you wouldn't complain if your > microwave didn't slice you bread, would you? > I hope you just had a bad day, otherwise you need to rethink about > your attitude towards life. > /Martin > No I dont think he had a bad day(unless he was playing GP2!) I think he's

right. Maybe if we all had a Cray computer you wouldn't be hearing all this.Everyone cant afford a 200mhz super computer though. Eric

Fair 'nuff. I disagree. Rally Championship, by Europress? Pretty good weather simulation in that, and about four times the frame rate! Again, I think some of the tracks on Rally Championship are every bit as lavish and every bit as '_photographic_' as Monaco, and the frame rate is in another league. Okay, so there's only one car going around, but I think the main processing effort is involved in shifting the graphics - working out the locations of twenty or so other cars shouldn't be that much of a strain on a P200, should it? Certainly not the framerate difference between RC and GP2. Fair 'nuff. I love GP2, I just think that it is sloppily written, with a very inefficient graphics engine. Picky picky, I know, but the point about opinions is that they are subjective... regards, Paul. |----| | | | | | \________ |----| 5 4 3 2 1 / Veterinary Student | |-----------/ http://www.paulfinn.demon.co.uk

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> I love to complain about everithing,my stupid dog, my 286 anything!!!! > But the thing I adore is to *** against GP2 and I know everithing > that you don't know bunch of stupid idiotics newbies of simulations > From the GREAT DAVID GARY!!!! > -DG-

Well its obvious your new to this internet thing. If you would look at the header, its plain to see who wrote this crap! This idiot(GSXRR) e-mails me(DG) and babbles non stop about how much he knows about computers and then tries ignorant shit like this. I checked on it and this moron has only posted 10 letters to this newsgroup and hasnt posted anything in ANY other newsgroup. It just goes to show you that any baboon can get access to the Net. Its also unfortunate that we have to try to make out his babble! Learn English! Your only insulting your country when you try to disguise yourself and speak in English and cant even do THAT right! I be a college student! the "REAL" -DG-

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> > I love to complain about everithing,my stupid dog, my 286 anything!!!! > > But the thing I adore is to *** against GP2 and I know everithing > > that you don't know bunch of stupid idiotics newbies of simulations > > From the GREAT DAVID GARY!!!! > > -DG- > Well its obvious your new to this internet thing. If you would > look at the header, its plain to see who wrote this crap! > This idiot(GSXRR) e-mails me(DG) and babbles non stop about how much > he knows about computers and then tries ignorant shit like this. > I checked on it and this moron has only posted 10 letters to this > newsgroup and hasnt posted anything in ANY other newsgroup. It > just goes to show you that any baboon can get access to the Net. > Its also unfortunate that we have to try to make out his babble! > Learn English! Your only insulting your country when you try to > disguise yourself and speak in English and cant even do THAT right! > I be a college student!

Doesn't worth the effort,but maybe it would be good for you to learn something!!! By the way it was my personnal view of your narrow minded situation!! Keep your job as an Artist you got all the qualities for it!! Have fun!! GSXRR

...... That's too bad... And VERY ungrateful as well: Crammond could just as well have left VGA out of it. And VGA can be played with a lot (A LOT) of detail on a P90 (hardly a supercomputer) Instead of turning green from envy, you should try to enjoy what you have NOW. Eventually, you will upgrade and be able to play it full-detail. JH =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= When everything else failed, we can still become im- mortal by making an enormous blunder.... John Kenneth Galbraith =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

I'll stop replying the moment you start trying to see things in perspective; I wouldn't want you to deny possible buyers the great GP2 experience. And, just an idea:if you smell bullshit,never considered it could be yours? JH =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= When everything else failed, we can still become im- mortal by making an enormous blunder.... John Kenneth Galbraith =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=