I saw in the shops today an update for GP2 called Perfect Grand Prix
It contains an update for the 1996 cars and tracks and editors etc.
So for so what, you can download all that stuff from the net, but I
read somewhere on the WEB that it also contains IPX network support,
didn't say that on the box. Does anyone have this update, and can tell
me if there is IPX support or if it's just another rip from microprose
with stuff you can get for free anyway?
Cheers,
Mik.
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> = > I saw in the shops today an update for GP2 called Perfect Grand Prix > It contains an update for the 1996 cars and tracks and editors etc. > So for so what, you can download all that stuff from the net, but I > read somewhere on the WEB that it also contains IPX network support, > didn't say that on the box. Does anyone have this update, and can tell > me if there is IPX support or if it's just another rip from microprose > with stuff you can get for free anyway? > = > Cheers, > Mik.Quoted text (7 lines)
>I saw in the shops today an update for GP2 called Perfect Grand Prix >It contains an update for the 1996 cars and tracks and editors etc. >So for so what, you can download all that stuff from the net, but I >read somewhere on the WEB that it also contains IPX network support, >didn't say that on the box. Does anyone have this update, and can tell >me if there is IPX support or if it's just another rip from microprose >with stuff you can get for free anyway?Quoted text (8 lines)
> >I saw in the shops today an update for GP2 called Perfect Grand Prix > It's just a rip off from some other company - has nothing to do with > Microprose. As far as I am aware it only contains stuff that can be > freely obtained from the 'net and what is worse they haven't paid any of > the guys who wrote the stuff. > Boycott it.Quoted text (15 lines)
> > >I saw in the shops today an update for GP2 called Perfect Grand Prix > > It's just a rip off from some other company - has nothing to do with > > Microprose. As far as I am aware it only contains stuff that can be > > freely obtained from the 'net and what is worse they haven't paid any of > > the guys who wrote the stuff. > > Boycott it. > Could you please explain again WHY we should boycott it? If Microprose is > unwilling to provide us with updates for a game that was outdated at the > moment it hit the stores, why shouldn't I get the updates from someone who > will give sell them to me? > EdOn Mon, 06 Jan 1997 09:12:55 -0500, Keith Meyer
>You should boycott it because it contains stuff that is freely availble
>on the net - there is no need to pay someone for it. Especially since
>all the stuff is developed by other people, who are receiving no
>compensation from the company selling this package. If it's not
>blatantly illegal, it's certainly unethical as hell...
Now I don't make a habit of defending other company's practices (heck,
I have enough trouble defending my own :-) ), and I must admit to not
having seen this package to evaluate the marketing on it, but there
are legitimate reasons for sellings CDs of material freely available
on the net. (Anyone seen the numerous Linux distributions to take
probably the most common example? How many people bought the demo
version of Descent, Doom, etc in stores instead of downloading it from
the net?)
Not everyone has a fast and free net connection, nor the time to go
hunt down all of the numerous little utilities and download them. (You
appear to, and can CHOOSE not to buy this thing, but others might not
have the same net.access and might like to buy this pack.)
If this upgrade pack (or whatever it's called) is not being
misrepresented as an official MicroProse product, and has some
indication that it is a collection of utilities written by third
parties for use with GP2, then I don't personally see the problem.
---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus, but voicing my own opinion, and not the
official company line.
Because you can get the same "updates" free from the web and, much more
importantly because the firm that put together the CD is ripping off the
guys who actually wrote the patches.
More than enough reason in my book.
Cheers,
Richard
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> > >I saw in the shops today an update for GP2 called Perfect Grand Prix > > It's just a rip off from some other company - has nothing to do with > > Microprose. As far as I am aware it only contains stuff that can be > > freely obtained from the 'net and what is worse they haven't paid any of > > the guys who wrote the stuff. > > Boycott it. > Could you please explain again WHY we should boycott it? If Microprose is > unwilling to provide us with updates for a game that was outdated at the > moment it hit the stores, why shouldn't I get the updates from someone who > will give sell them to me? > EdStupid. Je peut te dire que tu est pas mal imbcile. Quand tu respectera
les autres personnes dans se Newsgroup; je te respecterais.
Pat Davis
Cypress Racing
>and, much more
>importantly because the firm that put together the CD is ripping off the
>guys who actually wrote the patches.
I've since heard from one of the GP2 Hackers whose program is on the CD
that he _was_ contacted by the company and gave his permission.
Sorry for the mistake - I was going by some info from another of the GP2
hackers who said that there had been some discussion because non of them
had been paid by the company _at_that_time_. Apologies for misreading
that and implying that the company was purposefully ripping them off.
Go ahead and buy the CD. I am all for the GP2 hacker community getting
some financial reward for their hard efforts <g>.
Cheers,
Richard
>>and, much more
>>importantly because the firm that put together the CD is ripping off the
>>guys who actually wrote the patches.
>I've since heard from one of the GP2 Hackers whose program is on the CD
>that he _was_ contacted by the company and gave his permission.
>Sorry for the mistake - I was going by some info from another of the GP2
>hackers who said that there had been some discussion because non of them
It was my friend Tris Douglas who did it. He's on holiday at the
moment, but the company asked him do do all the stuff on the CD.
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>had been paid by the company _at_that_time_. Apologies for misreading >that and implying that the company was purposefully ripping them off. >Go ahead and buy the CD. I am all for the GP2 hacker community getting >some financial reward for their hard efforts <g>. >Cheers, >RichardQuoted text (7 lines)
>On Mon, 06 Jan 1997 09:12:55 -0500, Keith Meyer >>You should boycott it because it contains stuff that is freely availble >>on the net - there is no need to pay someone for it. Especially since >>all the stuff is developed by other people, who are receiving no >>compensation from the company selling this package. If it's not >>blatantly illegal, it's certainly unethical as hell...I completely agree with the above. Most importantly - not everyone is
on the Net. Either they still don't know what it gives or they don't
need it. Heck, that CD costs a lot less than I pay my ISP every month.
I know guys that were on the Net when we had it free at the office,
but live OK without it at all now that they have to pay an ISP for
that. Local BBS'es fill all their needs for demos/patches, and those
CD's cost less than the hours spent online looking for and downloading
them.
It is common practice to sell CD's full of shareware stuff, the PGP2
CD does not cost much more than a Linux CD which is supposed to be
free stuff. Also I remember seeing only _one_ GP2 editor that was
shareware, all the other utilities were freeware or did not put
themselves into any of the ____ware category.
Sincerely, Karim
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Hi Jo,
If you were writing this based on what I had previously said then I
regret to say that I was completely wrong :(( The company did seek (and
receive) the permission of the authors.
Cheers,
Richard
:
: If this upgrade pack (or whatever it's called) is not being
: misrepresented as an official MicroProse product, and has some
: indication that it is a collection of utilities written by third
: parties for use with GP2, then I don't personally see the problem.
:
: ---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus, but voicing my own opinion, and not the
: official company line.
1)I sometimes buy CDs with shareware levels (Warcraft2, Doom, Duke ....).
Instead of browsing through the internet I get something well packed
together with some documentation for a little bit of money.
2)The GP2 update is different. It is inside a big colourful box that suggests
to be an update of the original game and it does not contain information
from a lot of sides. No selection, just a rip-off.
The difference between software of type 1) and 2) is that 1) caused the
publishers some effort and sells cheap and 2) causes no effort and is
expansive.
Jochen
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