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N2: qualk times vs. race times

7 posts by 6 people · 02 Jan 1997 - 03 Jan 1997

Domin 02 Jan 1997#351412
Anyone ever notice that the AI cars race much quicker than their qualifiying times even near the beginning of the race with full tanks of gas? In reality, I thought qualifying times were always faster than what is actually achievable during a Nascar race. Can anyone set me straight on this (game vs. real life)? Thanks. --- () http://www.pacifier.com/~dtuso () Dominic Tuso () http://www.nicad.com/ () For you NiCd needs () http://www.teleport.com/~cramark () R/C car racing club () http://www.teleport.com/~lzwz/rcsr.htlml () R/C car racing club
They will run slower in a race UNLESS they are drafting like at Dega where they can pick up 2 to 3 mph. If u have watched Nascar lately, you will notice that at the super speedways each team is trying to get the fluids (oil-trans/differential lube) as hot as possible before qualifying hoping to further lessen drag by thinning the fluids. I would imagine that a 5th or 6th race lap would be very close to a qual lap since the fluids are even hotter by that time. Just my 2 cents and no flames if I'm wrong...just my OPINION. :)
Quoted text (13 lines)> Anyone ever notice that the AI cars race much quicker than their > qualifiying times even near the beginning of the race with full tanks of > gas? In reality, I thought qualifying times were always faster than what > is actually achievable during a Nascar race. Can anyone set me straight on > this (game vs. real life)? > Thanks. > --- > () http://www.pacifier.com/~dtuso () Dominic Tuso > () http://www.nicad.com/ () For you NiCd needs > () http://www.teleport.com/~cramark () R/C car racing club > () http://www.teleport.com/~lzwz/rcsr.htlml () R/C car racing club
well nascar2 is setup to qualify with 22 gallons so at the start your laps will be quickest then and as tire ware takes effect the speeds drop . the tire wear is realistic in nascar2 if im on new tires compared to ai's i can pass high low anywhere on the track.....
Domin 03 Jan 1997#351606
}> }> Anyone ever notice that the AI cars race much quicker than their }> qualifiying times even near the beginning of the race with full tanks of }> gas? In reality, I thought qualifying times were always faster than what }> is actually achievable during a Nascar race. Can anyone set me straight on }> this (game vs. real life)? }well nascar2 is setup to qualify with 22 gallons so at the start your }laps will be quickest then and as tire ware takes effect the speeds drop }. Yes, I know N2 is setup to qualify with 22 gallons. But why do the AI cars run faster under racing condtions. I qualified in the middle of the pack at Rockingham (or was it another, hmmm...doesn't matter) and I started to turn the very lap times that I qualified at (since I used the same setup). But then the AI cars started to pass me like I was 1-2 seconds off of pace, which I wasn't. It was clear that the AI cars actually were turning faster lap times than they qualified at. In real life, isn't a qualifying lap a tad faster than what they can run in a race (since they taped off the front grill, etc.)? I have seen one where they were running near qualifying times because they were drafting on a super speedway. --- () http://www.pacifier.com/~dtuso () Dominic Tuso () http://www.nicad.com/ () For you NiCd needs () http://www.teleport.com/~cramark () R/C car racing club () http://www.teleport.com/~lzwz/rcsr.htlml () R/C car racing club
David Spark 03 Jan 1997#351607
>Anyone ever notice that the AI cars race much quicker than their >qualifiying times even near the beginning of the race with full tanks of >gas? In reality, I thought qualifying times were always faster than what >is actually achievable during a Nascar race. Can anyone set me straight on >this (game vs. real life)? On most tracks, qualifying times are faster than race times, the exceptions being the restrictor plate tracks (Daytona and Talladega) where drafting allows the cars to travel faster during the race. As far as N2 is concerned, I know that Papyrus worked on balancing the AI race speeds and qual speeds to those of the human player. Without the added advantage of less fuel in the tank (ala NASCAR 1), it's much harder to put together a decent qualifying lap. I typically run faster laps during the race (once the tires are heated up) than I do in qualifying. Dave (davids) Sparks Late Night League http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html
Aw C'mon 03 Jan 1997#351608
Quoted text (31 lines)> }> > }> Anyone ever notice that the AI cars race much quicker than their > }> qualifiying times even near the beginning of the race with full tanks of > }> gas? In reality, I thought qualifying times were always faster than > what > }> is actually achievable during a Nascar race. Can anyone set me straight > on > }> this (game vs. real life)? > }well nascar2 is setup to qualify with 22 gallons so at the start your > }laps will be quickest then and as tire ware takes effect the speeds drop > }. > Yes, I know N2 is setup to qualify with 22 gallons. But why do the AI cars > run faster under racing condtions. I qualified in the middle of the pack > at Rockingham (or was it another, hmmm...doesn't matter) and I started to > turn the very lap times that I qualified at (since I used the same setup). > But then the AI cars started to pass me like I was 1-2 seconds off of pace, > which I wasn't. It was clear that the AI cars actually were turning faster > lap times than they qualified at. > In real life, isn't a qualifying lap a tad faster than what they can run in > a race (since they taped off the front grill, etc.)? I have seen one where > they were running near qualifying times because they were drafting on a > super speedway. > --- > () http://www.pacifier.com/~dtuso () Dominic Tuso > () http://www.nicad.com/ () For you NiCd needs > () http://www.teleport.com/~cramark () R/C car racing club > () http://www.teleport.com/~lzwz/rcsr.htlml () R/C car racing club
I have never seen this. The AI's qualifying times are always quicker than race speeds. Even if I qualify poorly, I can generally race the pack because my race setups are competitive. Check the setups you're using; this could be the root of the problem, since you're probably running a different setup to qualify with than to race with. Also, arcade mode will yield different results, I only play in sim mode.
Mike Radl 03 Jan 1997#351609
Quoted text (11 lines)>Yes, I know N2 is setup to qualify with 22 gallons. But why do the AI cars >run faster under racing condtions. I qualified in the middle of the pack >at Rockingham (or was it another, hmmm...doesn't matter) and I started to >turn the very lap times that I qualified at (since I used the same setup). >But then the AI cars started to pass me like I was 1-2 seconds off of pace, >which I wasn't. It was clear that the AI cars actually were turning faster >lap times than they qualified at. >In real life, isn't a qualifying lap a tad faster than what they can run in >a race (since they taped off the front grill, etc.)? I have seen one where >they were running near qualifying times because they were drafting on a >super speedway.
I think it's because the AI cars haven't been endowed with great qualifying setups. I haven't either. My race laps (and I believe the AI's) are faster than my qualifying laps because my tires etc... are warmer and my fuel/weight is dropping. Nascar1 was not this way. AI cars qualified too well and didn't suffer from cold tires at the start of the race. If I set the opponent strength in NCR1 where I could qualify well I would be way too fast for the AI cars during the race. Nascar2 is better, believe me. Mike Radler

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