That same old question... what PC?

I've been away from ras for a long time, and probably nobody here remembers me (quite likely a GOOD thing). I've been wanting to get involved in GPL and a few other sims for years, but depending on a Mac for my livelihood -- pitiful as that livelihood is -- I've never been quite able to justify buying a Windows box just for games. That has changed -- I now run a hobby shop on Connecticut's fabulous vacation shoreline, and I HAVE to buy a PC to run a POS ("point-of-sale," not "piece of shit") program, so NOW, since I have to get one anyhway, I'm asking the experienced and knowledgeable here to recommend a box or bare-bones setup. The POS app is not very sophisticated -- it would run on a Sinclair ZX80 -- but I want to get or build a box that will run GPL, Spirit of '50s Heat, GT, the West Brothers' fabulous WSC (just kidding!), and whatsonever else, and run them well. I'm not into Unreal or Medal of Honor or any of that other stuff -- just cars (and NOT NASCAR). I realize I need good clock (or overclock) speed, a fast FSB, a reasonable amount of memory, and a good graphics card, but what specifics do you recommend? I'd appreciate answers copied to me (as well as the forum) at: [email hidden]. My thanks in advance. Peace out Bart Brown

[email hidden] (Barton Brown) wrote in news:[email hidden]: > I've been away from ras for a long time, and probably nobody here > remembers me (quite likely a GOOD thing). I've been wanting to get > involved in GPL and a few other sims for years, but depending on a Mac > for my livelihood -- pitiful as that livelihood is -- I've never been > quite able to justify buying a Windows box just for games. That has > changed -- Get as much cpu as you can afford. Don't worry about overclocking. That was needed back in the days of 100mhz systems, but we are running 3000+ mhz so its not as critical. The closer to the 3.0 or higher rating for Pentium 4's or 3000+ for Amd XP+ the better. Video cards are mostly pretty fast now, Real benefit of one type over another usually only shows up as you start using really big screen sizes. So if you can live with 1024x740 then just about any modern ATI or Nvidia card will do. I guess as a filter, I'd shoot for around $200 as a price point for a video card...anything below is gonna have some issues..and as you get above that, you are getting top end stuff. For GPL, you might have better sucess with Nvidia products...ATI works fine, but some folks like to use Full Screen Anti Aliasing, and some versions of ATI drivers do not support 16bit FSAA. I use ATI and I have GPL so it will work, just may be a minor issue. I've worked on alot of systems for friends of my wife.(I don't have friends, they take away from my simming) :) But I've seen several newer systems with really fast components that are a dog compared to mine. So don't be fooled by just numbers...Companies like HP, DELL, GATEWAY, any of the complete box sellers really, often will scrimp in some areas to impress you(the buyer) in others. Make sure you have a fairly big hard drive (and I do mean big...if you have been away for awhile, then you'll be shocked at the size and low cost of Harddrives. 80 meg or more if you plan to add mods{sportscars, trucks etc} to your sims)that is AT MINIMUM a 7200rpm variety.(a nice cache for the HD helps too 8mb is a number I've seen on boxes, although I don't have any info why that is a good or bad number.) <lol> a bare bones GPL only system could be a P4 2.4 or close to that with an older Nvidia 4200 video. If you get a box with Windows XP then pile on the RAM, minimum should be 512mb for XP. IF you plan on MORE than GPL then you need to get near that > 3.0 level for CPU's and then get a video card that prices out closer to $300. One of the latest demos out is for GTR. The demo has just one car on the track and that has been placing a load on some systems. Just about any slow system can be made to run a sim, but you loose graphics, car counts and more the farther down the performance ladder you go. In closing, I'd like to thankyou for your question, since it allowed me to use almost all of the [bracket] symbols...! :> dave henrie

>. 80 meg or more if you > plan to add mods{sportscars, trucks etc} to your sims) That's tiny!!! , obviously you meant gig :D

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>>. 80 meg or more if you >> plan to add mods{sportscars, trucks etc} to your sims) > > That's tiny!!! , obviously you meant gig :D > > > >

WHOOPs! *#&#&( yes indeed...GIGS thanks.. 80gigabyte(or GREATER) not megabyte..doh...dave is sorry.

Although, Dells latest offering is very leading edge, if you have the money and are prepared to take the risk on Intels new CPU, their new motherboard chipset and the latest PCI-express video card. http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/dimen_xps3?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs Andi. -- Remove only one zero to reply. "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > [email hidden] (Barton Brown) wrote in > news:[email hidden]: > > SNIP >Companies like HP, DELL, GATEWAY, any > of the complete box sellers really, often will scrimp in some areas to > impress you(the buyer) in others. SNIP > > dave henrie

Hell, if money was no object in this, wouldnt an alienware machine just be the coolest? Dayum I love those cases, wish they'd just sell me that case, LOL Andi Cole wrote: > Although, Dells latest offering is very leading edge, if you have the > money and are prepared to take the risk on Intels new CPU, their new > motherboard chipset and the latest PCI-express video card. > > >http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/dimen_xps3?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs

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> > Andi. > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> [email hidden] (Barton Brown) wrote in >> news:[email hidden]: >> >> SNIP >> Companies like HP, DELL, GATEWAY, any >> of the complete box sellers really, often will scrimp in some areas >> to impress you(the buyer) in others. SNIP >> >> dave henrie

your missing a boatload of other types of racing by poo-poo'n out the Nascar Racing 2003 By papyrus. Hell, there is a Open WHeel mod for it let alone Trans-am type cars (2 different types of these) plus tracks galore... http://xrl.home.comcast.net/ find downloads on the right is where I found it... The GPL with the 65 season is good too, Barton Brown wrote:

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> I've been away from ras for a long time, and probably nobody here > remembers me (quite likely a GOOD thing). I've been wanting to get > involved in GPL and a few other sims for years, but depending on a Mac > for my livelihood -- pitiful as that livelihood is -- I've never been > quite able to justify buying a Windows box just for games. That has > changed -- I now run a hobby shop on Connecticut's fabulous vacation > shoreline, and I HAVE to buy a PC to run a POS ("point-of-sale," not > "piece of shit") program, so NOW, since I have to get one anyhway, I'm > asking the experienced and knowledgeable here to recommend a box or > bare-bones setup. The POS app is not very sophisticated -- it would > run on a Sinclair ZX80 -- but I want to get or build a box that will > run GPL, Spirit of '50s Heat, GT, the West Brothers' fabulous WSC > (just kidding!), and whatsonever else, and run them well. I'm not into > Unreal or Medal of Honor or any of that other stuff -- just cars (and > NOT NASCAR). I realize I need good clock (or overclock) speed, a fast > FSB, a reasonable amount of memory, and a good graphics card, but what > specifics do you recommend? > > I'd appreciate answers copied to me (as well as the forum) at: > [email hidden]. My thanks in advance. > > Peace out > > Bart Brown

Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news: <snip> Dave -- just as I remember, you ARE the person to ask! Glad to see that some good things remain in the world. Armed with your information, I hope I can build a box that gets it all done. Many thanks! Bart Brown

Dave Henrie wrote: For GPL, you might > have better sucess with Nvidia products...ATI works fine, but some folks > like to use Full Screen Anti Aliasing, and some versions of ATI drivers > do not support 16bit FSAA. > I use ATI and I have GPL so it will work, just may be a minor issue. >Just a minor nitpick in otherwise solid advice... ATI cards actually work well with GPL now with the last few driver releases (IIRC they fixed the 16bit FSAA with 4.0 and they are now up to 4.6 last I checked). Unlike the GF4 4200 it replaced, my radeon 9700 works wonders in GPL, no menu corruption with D3D and FSAA on, online or off. And it is fast enough that you don't have to resort to using opengl (opengl ran faster by was not as bright or sharp as D3D). My 2cents. Ken

True, I was just pointing out that not all 'mainstream' manufacturers sell over hyped junk. Dells PC is very well specced. Andi. -- Remove only one zero to reply. "Plowboy2" <stingre.removethis_@yahoo!.removeit> wrote in message news:fsyIc.69039$rn1.47294@okepread07... > Hell, if money was no object in this, wouldnt an alienware machine just be > the coolest? Dayum I love those cases, wish they'd just sell me that case, > LOL > Andi Cole wrote: > > Although, Dells latest offering is very leading edge, if you have the > > money and are prepared to take the risk on Intels new CPU, their new > > motherboard chipset and the latest PCI-express video card. > > > > > > > http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/dimen_xps3?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs > > > > Andi. > > > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > >> [email hidden] (Barton Brown) wrote in > >> news:[email hidden]: > >> > >> SNIP > >> Companies like HP, DELL, GATEWAY, any > >> of the complete box sellers really, often will scrimp in some areas > >> to impress you(the buyer) in others. SNIP > >> > >> dave henrie > >

I really, REALLY want to build a new Athlon-64 3500-939 system with a new ATI X800xt. -Larry "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> [email hidden] (Barton Brown) wrote in > news:[email hidden]: > > > I've been away from ras for a long time, and probably nobody here > > remembers me (quite likely a GOOD thing). I've been wanting to get > > involved in GPL and a few other sims for years, but depending on a Mac > > for my livelihood -- pitiful as that livelihood is -- I've never been > > quite able to justify buying a Windows box just for games. That has > > changed -- > > > Get as much cpu as you can afford. Don't worry about overclocking. > That was needed back in the days of 100mhz systems, but we are running > 3000+ mhz so its not as critical. The closer to the 3.0 or higher rating > for Pentium 4's or 3000+ for Amd XP+ the better. > Video cards are mostly pretty fast now, Real benefit of one type over > another usually only shows up as you start using really big screen sizes. > So if you can live with 1024x740 then just about any modern ATI or Nvidia > card will do. I guess as a filter, I'd shoot for around $200 as a price > point for a video card...anything below is gonna have some issues..and as > you get above that, you are getting top end stuff. For GPL, you might > have better sucess with Nvidia products...ATI works fine, but some folks > like to use Full Screen Anti Aliasing, and some versions of ATI drivers > do not support 16bit FSAA. > I use ATI and I have GPL so it will work, just may be a minor issue. > > I've worked on alot of systems for friends of my wife.(I don't have > friends, they take away from my simming) :) But I've seen several newer > systems with really fast components that are a dog compared to mine. So > don't be fooled by just numbers...Companies like HP, DELL, GATEWAY, any > of the complete box sellers really, often will scrimp in some areas to > impress you(the buyer) in others. Make sure you have a fairly big hard > drive (and I do mean big...if you have been away for awhile, then you'll > be shocked at the size and low cost of Harddrives. 80 meg or more if you > plan to add mods{sportscars, trucks etc} to your sims)that is AT MINIMUM > a 7200rpm variety.(a nice cache for the HD helps too 8mb is a number I've > seen on boxes, although I don't have any info why that is a good or bad > number.) <lol> > > a bare bones GPL only system could be a P4 2.4 or close to that with > an older Nvidia 4200 video. If you get a box with Windows XP then pile > on the RAM, minimum should be 512mb for XP. > > IF you plan on MORE than GPL then you need to get near that > 3.0 > level for CPU's and then get a video card that prices out closer to $300. > One of the latest demos out is for GTR. The demo has just one car on the > track and that has been placing a load on some systems. Just about any > slow system can be made to run a sim, but you loose graphics, car counts > and more the farther down the performance ladder you go. > > In closing, I'd like to thankyou for your question, since it allowed me > to use almost all of the [bracket] symbols...! :> > > > dave henrie

I'm not. Intel's newest stuff just isn't doing it for me at all. When I can get the money together, I'm going back to AMD and will turn my current P4-2.53Ghz into a file server. The Athlon64 3500-939 is looking real good to me right now. The other thing that bugs me about Dell is the proprietary nature of their components. Upgrading their systems (Power supplies, system boards, etc...) can be a pain in the hoot. -Larry "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:40f192c8$0$560$[email hidden]... > Although, Dells latest offering is very leading edge, if you have themoney > and are prepared to take the risk on Intels new CPU, their new motherboard > chipset and the latest PCI-express video card. > > >http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/dimen_xps3?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs

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> > Andi. > > -- > Remove only one zero to reply. > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > [email hidden] (Barton Brown) wrote in > > news:[email hidden]: > > > > SNIP > >Companies like HP, DELL, GATEWAY, any > > of the complete box sellers really, often will scrimp in some areas to > > impress you(the buyer) in others. SNIP > > > > dave henrie > >

Thanks for all the good answers -- I'm pretty sure which way I'm going with this. I want to share a pretty decent deal I found on TigerDirect: Soyo - K7VME - VIA Socket A Barebones Kit with 52x CD-ROM,350-watt PS, Keyboard, Mouse and Speakers Price: $109.99 Less Rebate: - $90.00 Final Price: $19.99* Kinda hard to beat for 20 bucks. There are three rebates, two of which expire 7-18-04. I'm going to combine this with an AMD XP processor -- what I'm not sure of: is it worth the $40-$50 difference between an Athlon XP2800+ (512K Cache / 333MHz FSB) and an Athlon XP 3200+ (512KB Cache / 400MHz FSB), when the K7VME only supports up to 333MHz FSB? I guess what I'm asking is will I take a performance hit on the 3200+ at 333MHz (rather than its full-rated 400) to such an extent (or at all?) that I'd be just as well off with the 2800+? Sorry for the convoluted sentence structure... Also, I've had great success on the Mac with two 7200rpm drives in RAID 0 configuration -- is it worth the trouble on the PC? Anyway, thanks again for your help! Bart Brown

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> I'm going to combine this with an AMD XP processor -- what I'm not sure > of: is it worth the $40-$50 difference between an Athlon XP2800+ (512K > Cache / 333MHz FSB) and an Athlon XP 3200+ (512KB Cache / 400MHz FSB), > when the K7VME only supports up to 333MHz FSB? I guess what I'm asking > is will I take a performance hit on the 3200+ at 333MHz (rather than its > full-rated 400) to such an extent (or at all?) that I'd be just as well > off with the 2800+?

Yea it will take a hit, I think the overall clock speed will decrease, so get the 333 processor

> Soyo - K7VME - VIA Socket A Barebones Kit with 52x CD-ROM,350-watt PS, Well, this is a lousy choice of motherboard, especially given that you are thinking of a XP3200+, which is designed to run at 400FSB. I would choose the Abit NF7-S, hands down, especially since it includes a decent builtin soundsystem. > I'm going to combine this with an AMD XP processor -- what I'm not sure > of: is it worth the $40-$50 difference between an Athlon XP2800+ (512K > Cache / 333MHz FSB) and an Athlon XP 3200+ A MUCH smarter move is purchasing the Mobile Barton 2400+ for $70 at newegg & elsewhere. This cpu is completely unlocked and will overclock to 3500+ rating pretty easily (with a good heatsink). BTW, a low-end Athlon64 2800+ and a Socket754 Nforce3 250gb or KT800pro motherboard (which has a decent soundchip) looks really tempting when you compare it to a highend AthlonXP system. Think about it. > Also, I've had great success on the Mac with two 7200rpm drives in RAID > 0 configuration -- is it worth the trouble on the PC? Both Anandtech and Storagereview say raid on a desktop is pointless. Put the money saved into more ram (2x512meg PC3200 or PC3500) and a better videocard (X800pro or 6800). rms

Perhaps from a performance standpoint but not from a redundancy standpoint. "rms" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > Both Anandtech and Storagereview say raid on a desktop is pointless. > Put the money saved into more ram (2x512meg PC3200 or PC3500) and a better > videocard (X800pro or 6800). > > rms > >

> Perhaps from a performance standpoint but not from a redundancystandpoint. He's talking raid0, which is twice as bad as a single drive, from a redundancy standpoint. rms

He squeaked the 0 right past me :) I'd mirror it but thats just me. "rms" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:zZ3Jc.1764$[email hidden]...

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> Perhaps from a performance standpoint but not from a redundancy standpoint. > > > > "rms" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > Both Anandtech and > Storagereview say raid on a desktop is pointless. >> Put the money saved into more ram (2x512meg PC3200 or PC3500) and a better >> videocard (X800pro or 6800).

Not only will you have two drives making noise at the same time, they'll also consume additional power from your PSU. I have my linux box running 24x7 (smp celeron 500, thanks to Dave McCulloch, old mate ;-) running gentoo linux) and use an "old" 40gb drive for backups at night. HD spins up, stuff is rsync'ed to the backup drive, backup drive gets powered down, hey presto instant backup. No need for RAID, and I can always just remove the backup drive from the system and put it on the shelf (which is sort of hard with a live RAID configuration and most el-cheapo RAID controllers out there). Cheers, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Barton Brown wrote: > > I've been away from ras for a long time, and probably nobody here > remembers me (quite likely a GOOD thing). I remember you, not sure if that's a good or bad sign though, are you gonna discuss grammar and language peculiarities with "Bruce from down under" again ? :D You've already gotten sone decent advice so I'll just throw in some brief stuff Athlon64 is prolly the way to go these days, not sure if I'd go PCI Express just yet since you'll be paying a premium and AGP isn't exactly dead yet, mate a 2800 to an inexpensive KT800 based MoBo and an ATI Radeon 9800 PRO 128MB (very cheap these days) and you have a decently powerful PC for a relatively modest sum of money Nice to have you back Bart Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

rms wrote: >>Soyo - K7VME - VIA Socket A Barebones Kit with 52x CD-ROM,350-watt PS, > Well, this is a lousy choice of motherboard, especially given that you > are thinking of a XP3200+, which is designed to run at 400FSB. <snip> Well, here's where PC guys lose me. I understand that the K7VME isn't the absolute latest and greatest, but both AnandTech and Tom's Hardware had very nice things to say about it. What I most don't understand (and this is purely my own ignorance) is why GPL, a sim written what -- five years ago? -- optimized for the bog-slow CPUs of its day and graphics cards (VooDoo?) a hundred times obsoleted, today requires some blown, injected, water-intercooled Blast-O-Megaherz frankenstein processor and a mobo with something like 5 times the FSB speed of 1999-2000 boxes. I don't know what I'm missing here -- is it the many add-ons developed by this immensely clever community since GPL was first launched that requires such immense firepower? Whatever the answer to THAT question, for me it's a bit of a moot point, as I've already bought the box, and at $19.00, it's hard to see how I went wrong. I'm sure at some point not too far down the road, I'll upgrade the old crock, but for right now, it fills a need (POS and general retail use, plus some games (even if it will only manage Falcon 1.0 in B&W) at a very attractive price. Now that I've bought the thing, my task is to make it as good as I can within a reasonable budget, "reasonable" being that difficult-to-determine point just short of my wife hitting me in the head with a skillet... <snip> > A MUCH smarter move is purchasing the Mobile Barton 2400+ for $70 at > newegg & elsewhere. This cpu is completely unlocked and will overclock to > 3500+ rating pretty easily (with a good heatsink). <snip> Now we're talking. I understand the Mobile Barton chip is multiplier unlocked, but can you change the multiplier in the BIOS, or does the motherboard have to support it? Thanks for the education! Bart Brown

Yes Uncle, it is me. I promise to behave this time. Say, whatever happened to that young French-Canadian gent? Kind regards Bart Goy Larsen wrote:

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> > Barton Brown wrote: > >>I've been away from ras for a long time, and probably nobody here >>remembers me (quite likely a GOOD thing). > > > I remember you, not sure if that's a good or bad sign though, are you > gonna discuss grammar and language peculiarities with "Bruce from down > under" again ? :D

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> Well, here's where PC guys lose me. I understand that the K7VME isn't > the absolute latest and greatest, but both AnandTech and Tom's Hardware > had very nice things to say about it. What I most don't understand (and > this is purely my own ignorance) is why GPL, a sim written what -- five > years ago? -- optimized for the bog-slow CPUs of its day and graphics > cards (VooDoo?) a hundred times obsoleted, today requires some blown, > injected, water-intercooled Blast-O-Megaherz frankenstein processor and > a mobo with something like 5 times the FSB speed of 1999-2000 boxes. I > don't know what I'm missing here -- is it the many add-ons developed by > this immensely clever community since GPL was first launched that > requires such immense firepower?

Most definitely. There are comparison pics around showing out of the box versus those with all the mods (GPLEA cars, track textures, addon trackside objects etc.). It has kept pace with the new stuff extraordinarily well. Of course some of the home built tracks and car add ons are built specifically for the very latest hardware, so it is possible to have to use the lite versions even with a PC 6 times as powerful than when originally playing GPL! Still the favourite (and best looking) for some of the old timers here :)

Barton Brown wrote: > > Yes Uncle, it is me. I promise to behave this time. Say, whatever > happened to that young French-Canadian gent? Behave ? This is the Usenet, few if anyone "behaves" on here, or in the case of people like John Simmons, they're just being their usual grumpy selves :D As for ymenard, he still lurks over on the "other" news group that once was about sim racing, AFAIK, don't frequent it anymore I'm afraid, it contracted some kind of illness.... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

"Goy Larsen" wrote: > This is the Usenet, few if anyone "behaves" on here, or in the case of > people like John Simmons, they're just being their usual grumpy selves > :D Oi! leave Simmo alone you brute. It is unfair to pick on the meek...

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> > "Goy Larsen" wrote: > > > This is the Usenet, few if anyone "behaves" on here, or in the case of > > people like John Simmons, they're just being their usual grumpy selves > > :D > > Oi! leave Simmo alone you brute. It is unfair to pick on the meek...

Has he inherited the earth yet ? Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

"Goy Larsen" wrote: > > > This is the Usenet, few if anyone "behaves" on here, or in the caseof > > > people like John Simmons, they're just being their usual grumpyselves > > > :D > > > > Oi! leave Simmo alone you brute. It is unfair to pick on the meek... > > Has he inherited the earth yet ? Nah, that was the Greek. They've done Europe you know...

"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > As for ymenard, he still lurks over on the "other" news group that once > was about sim racing, AFAIK, don't frequent it anymore I'm afraid, it > contracted some kind of illness.... ROTFL, I think its some kind of a venereal disease. :-) Pete

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> > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > As for ymenard, he still lurks over on the "other" news group that once > > was about sim racing, AFAIK, don't frequent it anymore I'm afraid, it > > contracted some kind of illness.... > > ROTFL, I think its some kind of a venereal disease. :-) > > Pete

Some form of Pox wasn't it ? Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Monkey Pox transmited through anal dialogue. :-) Pete "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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Depends on which RAID you are talking about :) -Laryr "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kY0Jc.10246$[email hidden]... > Perhaps from a performance standpoint but not from a redundancystandpoint. > > > > "rms" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > Both Anandtech and > Storagereview say raid on a desktop is pointless. > > Put the money saved into more ram (2x512meg PC3200 or PC3500) and abetter

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Remember this about GPL. No matter WHAT you throw at it, you will get 36fps :) -Larry "Barton Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:UrgJc.919$[email hidden]... > rms wrote: > > >>Soyo - K7VME - VIA Socket A Barebones Kit with 52x CD-ROM,350-watt PS, > > > Well, this is a lousy choice of motherboard, especially given thatyou

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> > are thinking of a XP3200+, which is designed to run at 400FSB. > > <snip> > > Well, here's where PC guys lose me. I understand that the K7VME isn't > the absolute latest and greatest, but both AnandTech and Tom's Hardware > had very nice things to say about it. What I most don't understand (and > this is purely my own ignorance) is why GPL, a sim written what -- five > years ago? -- optimized for the bog-slow CPUs of its day and graphics > cards (VooDoo?) a hundred times obsoleted, today requires some blown, > injected, water-intercooled Blast-O-Megaherz frankenstein processor and > a mobo with something like 5 times the FSB speed of 1999-2000 boxes. I > don't know what I'm missing here -- is it the many add-ons developed by > this immensely clever community since GPL was first launched that > requires such immense firepower?

> I really, REALLY want to build a new Athlon-64 3500-939 system with a new > ATI X800xt. Instead do a 3400+ and a x800pro or xt rms