NASCAR Heat: A question...

Is it possible to slow down the extraordinary acceleration of the AI cars at the start/restart of a race? They seem to have the equivalent of a Saturn-V up their exhaust pipes and even tho' I qualify on pole position, I am passed by half the field by the start of the backstretch (Indy)!! If anyone can offer some info (tweaking a file??) I'd be grateful. TIA, Bruce.

"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:40f09ace$[email hidden]:

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> Is it possible to slow down the extraordinary acceleration of the AI > cars at the start/restart of a race? > They seem to have the equivalent of a Saturn-V up their exhaust pipes > and even tho' I qualify on pole position, I am passed by half the > field by the start of the backstretch (Indy)!! > > If anyone can offer some info (tweaking a file??) I'd be grateful. > > TIA, > Bruce. > >

That was addressed somewhat with the patching process IIRC. , pre patch setups were no match for the AI when starting. A whole new gearbox was called for. The uspits used to have a handy little utility that Jan wrote that patched Heat up to whatever the last patch was. Definately a must have. I spent over a year racing Heat online(tptcc league), so the AI starts were not an issue. I can't remember if the starts were fixed or made worse by the patches. sorry dave henrie

Thanks, Dave. I've added all the patches, as required for the "SoH50" mod (and others). I was wondering if this line in the 'Options.cfg' file has anything to do with it.......... ai_start_tweak 3 Anyone know? Cheers! Bruce. "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > That was addressed somewhat with the patching process IIRC. .........

Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:40f0f58f$[email hidden]...

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> Thanks, Dave. > I've added all the patches, as required for the "SoH50" mod (and others). > I was wondering if this line in the 'Options.cfg' file has anything to do > with it.......... > > ai_start_tweak 3 > > Anyone know? > > Cheers! >

Just do as Dave said; the patches fix it. You don't need to tweak anything.

Ummm....perhaps you'd like to read my response again? I *HAVE* patched it. Totally. All patches, official and otherwise. So whilst I may not *need* to tweak anything, I am wondering if anything *can* be tweaked. Bruce. "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cjbIc.111$[email hidden]... > > Just do as Dave said; the patches fix it. You don't need to tweak > anything.

I also have a HEAT question. After installing No-CD patch the game will not start. Any guess? "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:40f09ace$[email hidden]... > Is it possible to slow down the extraordinary acceleration of the AI carsat

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> the start/restart of a race? > They seem to have the equivalent of a Saturn-V up their exhaust pipes and > even tho' I qualify on pole position, I am passed by half the field by the > start of the backstretch (Indy)!! > > If anyone can offer some info (tweaking a file??) I'd be grateful. > > TIA, > Bruce. > >

"Tiny Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]: > I also have a HEAT question. > After installing No-CD patch the game will not start. Any guess? Geez Tiny...why didn't you ask this two freaking years ago when I might have remembered it? :) You and Bruce ignored the bugger when it came out and NOW you pester me..hehehe lol! Patching Heat was always confusing to some, especially the modding process. But for others it was painless. Did you use the Pits all in one patch..that should include a nocd patch. Most likely you patched to game to level 1.x and then used a nocd that was intended for an earlier version. Like v1.x-1. Just a guess tho...give the all in one patch a try... dh

HEAT was never sold in Australia; the copy I have was sent to me. I ran it for a while but then went on to NASCAR 2003 and have only recently re-installed it purely to use the SoH50 mod. Bruce. "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > You and Bruce ignored the bugger when it came out and NOW you pester > me..hehehe lol!

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> "Tiny Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:[email hidden]: > > > I also have a HEAT question. > > After installing No-CD patch the game will not start. Any guess? > > > Geez Tiny...why didn't you ask this two freaking years ago when I might > have remembered it? :) > You and Bruce ignored the bugger when it came out and NOW you pester > me..hehehe lol! > > Patching Heat was always confusing to some, especially the modding process. > But for others it was painless. Did you use the Pits all in one > patch..that should include a nocd patch. Most likely you patched to game > to level 1.x and then used a nocd that was intended for an earlier version. > Like v1.x-1. Just a guess tho...give the all in one patch a try... > dh

I seem to remember something about having to have Heat in the default directory when it installs. If you relocate it, the mods wouldn't start. Or some such :) Bill

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> "Tiny Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:[email hidden]: > > > I also have a HEAT question. > > After installing No-CD patch the game will not start. Any guess? > > > Geez Tiny...why didn't you ask this two freaking years ago when I might > have remembered it? :) > You and Bruce ignored the bugger when it came out and NOW you pester > me..hehehe lol! > > Patching Heat was always confusing to some, especially the modding process. > But for others it was painless. Did you use the Pits all in one > patch..that should include a nocd patch. Most likely you patched to game > to level 1.x and then used a nocd that was intended for an earlier version. > Like v1.x-1. Just a guess tho...give the all in one patch a try... > dh

It's coming back to me now. You have to right click on the No-CD and click on properties. Make sure the folder that the link is looking for matches exactly not "NHeat" versus "Nascar Heat".

[email hidden] wrote in > I seem to remember something about having to have Heat in the default > directory when it installs. If you relocate it, the mods wouldn't > start. Or some such :) > > Bill Heat really insists on being installed on the system drive, typically C: Something to try, is running the other .exe- after one patch (I forget which) you get the choice of nascar heat.exe or nheat.exe Otherwise the other advice is sound- best way to patch is the all-in-one method. cheers John

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> Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:<[email hidden]>... >> "Tiny Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in >> news:[email hidden]: >> >> > I also have a HEAT question. >> > After installing No-CD patch the game will not start. Any >> > guess? >> >> >> Geez Tiny...why didn't you ask this two freaking years ago when I >> might >> have remembered it? :) >> You and Bruce ignored the bugger when it came out and NOW you pester >> me..hehehe lol! >> >> Patching Heat was always confusing to some, especially the modding >> process. But for others it was painless. Did you use the Pits all >> in one patch..that should include a nocd patch. Most likely you >> patched to game to level 1.x and then used a nocd that was intended >> for an earlier version. Like v1.x-1. Just a guess tho...give the >> all in one patch a try... dh > > It's coming back to me now. You have to right click on the No-CD and > click on properties. Make sure the folder that the link is looking for > matches exactly not "NHeat" versus "Nascar Heat". >

Good thinking everyone, I had forgotten most of that. to sum up.. A. Do NOT move Heat from it's default installation path. Don't ask why just don't do it. I don't care how you feel about that...let Heat install to drive C:\ If this presents a moral problem for you, then abandon the sim. Getting around this feature is just too complicated. B. Look for the Nheat.exe(that would be the nocd exe) instead of Nascar Heat.exe c. You should be able to check your version number on the options screen. If you have patched correctly, it will have a much different number than v1.0. To run the mods and probably the nocd, you must have properly patched the sim first. Thanks guys for the memory jogs. dh

Umm.... perhaps you'd like to chill out. Yep, lots can be tweaked. Since you get so pissed at someone trying to help, figure out yourself how to do it. Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Ummm....perhaps you'd like to read my response again? > I *HAVE* patched it. Totally. All patches, official and otherwise. > So whilst I may not *need* to tweak anything, I am wondering if anything > *can* be tweaked. > > Bruce. > > "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:cjbIc.111$[email hidden]... > > > > Just do as Dave said; the patches fix it. You don't need to tweak > > anything. > >

Well, you'd have to be a major dickhead, wouldn't you? Did you attain the qualification at university or does it just come naturally? First off, I ask a simple question, and you come back with the "helpful" answer, quote, "Just do as Dave said; the patches fix it. You don't need to tweak anything." That was *really* of tremendous assistance to someone who specifically asked if it can be tweaked. Then, when I point out that I had already stated that I'd fully-patched the bloody game, you come back with this gem..."Yes, lots can be tweaked". Why didn't you say that in answer to my first question, instead of being such a smug twerp and tossing back your clever, know-it-all response? You make cretins look like MENSA candidates. Bruce. "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WrjKc.518$[email hidden]... > Umm.... perhaps you'd like to chill out. Yep, lots can be tweaked.Since > you get so pissed at someone trying to help, figure out yourself how to do > it.

lol, whew. Step away from the pc, do you good. I'd explain how you completely missed the boat on my response, but it would obviously be to hard for you to grasp, being as common sense is required. Though maybe not, your using big words like cretin and MENSA and all, wow, impressive <rolls eyes> Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:40fb44d8$[email hidden]... > Well, you'd have to be a major dickhead, wouldn't you? Did you attain the > qualification at university or does it just come naturally? > > First off, I ask a simple question, and you come back with the "helpful" > answer, quote, "Just do as Dave said; the patches fix it. You don't needto > tweak anything." > > That was *really* of tremendous assistance to someone who specificallyasked > if it can be tweaked. > > Then, when I point out that I had already stated that I'd fully-patchedthe

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> bloody game, you come back with this gem..."Yes, lots can be tweaked". > > Why didn't you say that in answer to my first question, instead of being > such a smug twerp and tossing back your clever, know-it-all response? > > You make cretins look like MENSA candidates. > > Bruce. > > > "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:WrjKc.518$[email hidden]... > > Umm.... perhaps you'd like to chill out. Yep, lots can be tweaked. > Since > > you get so pissed at someone trying to help, figure out yourself how to

do > > it. > >

Anything with two syllables falls into the "Big Word" category in your part of the world, does it? Christ...how do you classify "encyclopaedia" or "antidisestablishmentarianism"? Unintelligible? Please, do explain how I completely missed the boat; I'd be delighted to try and understand, seeing as I can use big words and all. Bruce "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8oiLc.697$[email hidden]... > lol, whew. Step away from the pc, do you good. I'd explain how you > completely missed the boat on my response, but it would obviously be tohard > for you to grasp, being as common sense is required. > > Though maybe not, your using big words like cretin and MENSA and all, wow, > impressive <rolls eyes>

"Bruce Kennewell" wrote... > <snip> > Please, do explain how I completely missed the boat; > I'd be delighted to try and understand, seeing as I > can use big words and all. I think you've run into someone who doesn't realise the logical implications of the language he/she uses in terms of word choice and grammar. Their writing doesn't convey their intended meaning and they themselves don't realise it. Likewise they tend to misread statements which have not been hammered out. Seeing as you rely heavily on your words to carry meaning for you(1), I'm not surprised this situation has come to a head. I had a similar run-in with someone on a Flemisch motorsport forum recently and ended up saying: "I can't help it you people in Limburg(2) don't understand Dutch!!", which didn't exactly endear me to the other users, but what can you do if people fail to understand what is right in front of them? Giving up is probably easier though... Jan. =--- (1): in the olden days I regularly had to defer to dictionaries and others to understand you, especially for the satirical F1 pieces. (2): province of Flanders which is a regular butt of "redneck-jokes", because the dialect also has a slow drawl.

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:04:13 -0500, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote: >lol, whew. Step away from the pc, do you good. I'd explain how you >completely missed the boat on my response, but it would obviously be to hard >for you to grasp, being as common sense is required. WHEW! Talk about "missing the boat"! I've kill-filled a bunch of people on this board because of their obvious lack of common sense. Bruce Kennewell is probably the LAST person I would kill-file. I've been a member of this board for going on five years, I can tell you that he demonstrates an enormous amount of common sense in his posts. Apparently you are new, and you didn't know that. The best practice is for newbies to lurk around and read a lot of posts before they attempt to jump in and post something that makes them look like a complete fool. PLONK!

Joe Palooka <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:04:13 -0500, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >lol, whew. Step away from the pc, do you good. I'd explain how you > >completely missed the boat on my response, but it would obviously be tohard

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> >for you to grasp, being as common sense is required. > > WHEW! Talk about "missing the boat"! I've kill-filled a bunch of > people on this board because of their obvious lack of common sense. > Bruce Kennewell is probably the LAST person I would kill-file. I've > been a member of this board for going on five years, I can tell you > that he demonstrates an enormous amount of common sense in his posts. > > > Apparently you are new, and you didn't know that. The best practice > is for newbies to lurk around and read a lot of posts before they > attempt to jump in and post something that makes them look like a > complete fool. > > PLONK!

Sniff, plonked. How disappointing. <rolls eyes> Since you're giving advice, heres some for you; mind your own business. >

Jan Verschueren <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:AzrLc.190643$[email hidden]...

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> "Bruce Kennewell" wrote... > > <snip> > > Please, do explain how I completely missed the boat; > > I'd be delighted to try and understand, seeing as I > > can use big words and all. > > I think you've run into someone who doesn't realise the logical

implications

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> of the language he/she uses in terms of word choice and grammar. Their > writing doesn't convey their intended meaning and they themselves don't > realise it. > Likewise they tend to misread statements which have not been hammered out. > Seeing as you rely heavily on your words to carry meaning for you(1), I'm > not surprised this situation has come to a head. > > I had a similar run-in with someone on a Flemisch motorsport forum

recently > and ended up saying: "I can't help it you people in Limburg(2) don't > understand Dutch!!", which didn't exactly endear me to the other users,but > what can you do if people fail to understand what is right in front ofthem?

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> > Giving up is probably easier though... > > Jan. > =--- > (1): in the olden days I regularly had to defer to dictionaries and others > to understand you, especially for the satirical F1 pieces. > > (2): province of Flanders which is a regular butt of "redneck-jokes", > because the dialect also has a slow drawl.

Possibly. Or maybe, just maybe, Mr. Kennewell went ballistic for who knows why, eh ? Nah, must be the "new" guys fault <g> The entire point of my reply, "Just do as Dave said; the patches fix it. You don't need to tweak anything. " was that hacking isn't necessary to solve the problem you mentioned Bruce(ai starts); in other words, trying to save you time and effort. Maybe my reply sounded like a smartass, but I don't see it. <shrugs> > >

Excuse me for being so obtuse as to not quite grasp your line of reasoning, but if hacking (or tweaking the config file, more to the point) wasn't necessary to solve the ai starts, why did you then come back with, quote,:- "Yep, lots can be tweaked. Since you get so pissed at someone trying to help, figure out yourself how to do it."? Why didn't you simply say that the ai launch could not be controlled by tweaking anything? Would've saved all this angst, don't you think? And if it wasn't a smart-arse response, then it was certainly well disguised. Bruce. "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IPALc.21$[email hidden]... > > The entire point of my reply, "Just do as Dave said; the patches fixit. > You don't need to tweak > anything. " was that hacking isn't necessary to solve the problem you > mentioned Bruce(ai starts); in other words, trying to save you time and > effort. > > Maybe my reply sounded like a smartass, but I don't see it. <shrugs>

Whatever Bruce. Keep being pissed if you'd rather. I couldn't care less. Regarding my quote below, that has nothing to do with the ai starts. I.e., lots, as in lots of things, can be tweaked. Since the ai problem had been answered twice before, (patches) no idea how you tied that in it. Oh well. Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:40ff23e5$[email hidden]... > Excuse me for being so obtuse as to not quite grasp your line ofreasoning, > but if hacking (or tweaking the config file, more to the point) wasn't > necessary to solve the ai starts, why did you then come back with,quote,:-

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> > "Yep, lots can be tweaked. Since you get so pissed at someone trying to > help, figure out yourself how to do > it."? > > Why didn't you simply say that the ai launch could not be controlled by > tweaking anything? > Would've saved all this angst, don't you think? > > And if it wasn't a smart-arse response, then it was certainly well > disguised. > > Bruce. > > "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:IPALc.21$[email hidden]... > > > > The entire point of my reply, "Just do as Dave said; the patches fix > it. > > You don't need to tweak > > anything. " was that hacking isn't necessary to solve the problem you > > mentioned Bruce(ai starts); in other words, trying to save you time and > > effort. > > > > Maybe my reply sounded like a smartass, but I don't see it. <shrugs> > >

Oh, please don't mistake my effort to understand your line of reasoning as being "pissed". At my age it takes a whole lot more to piss me off - like things that actually have a bearing on my life - than a debate involving a computer game! This is more akin to an attempt at comprehending the thinking process of an alien lifeform. Bruce. "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:UtGLc.37$[email hidden]... > Whatever Bruce. Keep being pissed if you'd rather. I couldn't careless. > > Regarding my quote below, that has nothing to do with the ai starts. > I.e., lots, as in lots of things, can be tweaked. Since the ai problemhad

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> been answered twice before, (patches) no idea how you tied that in it. > > Oh well. > > > Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:40ff23e5$[email hidden]... > > Excuse me for being so obtuse as to not quite grasp your line of > reasoning, > > but if hacking (or tweaking the config file, more to the point) wasn't > > necessary to solve the ai starts, why did you then come back with, > quote,:- > > > > "Yep, lots can be tweaked. Since you get so pissed at someone trying to > > help, figure out yourself how to do > > it."? > > > > Why didn't you simply say that the ai launch could not be controlled by > > tweaking anything? > > Would've saved all this angst, don't you think? > > > > And if it wasn't a smart-arse response, then it was certainly well > > disguised. > > > > Bruce. > > > > "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:IPALc.21$[email hidden]... > > > > > > The entire point of my reply, "Just do as Dave said; the patches

fix > > it. > > > You don't need to tweak > > > anything. " was that hacking isn't necessary to solve the problem you > > > mentioned Bruce(ai starts); in other words, trying to save you timeand > > > effort. > > > > > > Maybe my reply sounded like a smartass, but I don't see it.<shrugs> > > > > > >