Why NASCAR2 needs alot of work...
1> Unless you have a "Rendition" video card you can't play in hi res
mode which leaves you with 2D graphics. Tech support, as rude as they
were, confirmed this. I've got a Stealth 3D 2000XL w/ 4MB EDO ram
and I get pretty much the same graphics as a 1MB trident.
2> The sound quality just plain sucks. I've got a pentium pro 166,
32MB ram, a sounblaster awe32-pnp, and TWO sets of Altec Lansing
ACS500 speaker systems - when I play the original NASCAR the room
literally shakes. When I play NASCAR2 with the proper and same sound
setup all I get is FM quality sound (rather than the engines rumbling
they buzz) Tech support says it's not coming out with anything to
correct this and its just the difference between the two games. Even
if I had a rendition card to get the full 3D graphics the sound
quality is so poor I just can't justify the $50!
Basically they rushed to get this game out before Christmas and
neglecting many refinements and failing miserably!!!
I find the sounds to be more realistic than before. They may not
be 512 bit stereo with 900 watts, but I can live with that.
The graphics are much better than before and the game has MANY new
features that make me overlook the small stuff. Papyrus track
records show, they included/fixed a lot of stuff with N1, so why
expect the same with N2? They don't exclude things to***people
off, they doit for apparently good reasons. (sorry if you disagree)
good work on this one Papyrus! By the way..it's $39.00 not $50. :)
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Lannie Schafroth
>1> Unless you have a "Rendition" video card you can't play in hi res
>mode which leaves you with 2D graphics. Tech support, as rude as they
>were, confirmed this. I've got a Stealth 3D 2000XL w/ 4MB EDO ram
>and I get pretty much the same graphics as a 1MB trident.
2D graphics? Pac-man was 2D. You mean VGA? Then your system needs
tweaking. I have a P133 with a Hercules Stingray Pro and I find the
framerate very nice indeed running in SVGA.
Well, I've got a set of Altec Lansing ACS-300's and I agree the sound
in Nascar 1 will shake the house. All I do is just adjust the volume
knob. I know it doens't vibrate my desk anymore but the spotter makes
up for it. Besides, the spotter would be pretty tuff to understand
with all that rumbling.
Now, if you've got the money for a P166, 32 MEG, an AWE-32 and TWO
sets of ACS-500's, then just get a real team going! ;)
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>1> Unless you have a "Rendition" video card you can't play in hi res
>mode which leaves you with 2D graphics. Tech support, as rude as they
>were, confirmed this. I've got a Stealth 3D 2000XL w/ 4MB EDO ram
>and I get pretty much the same graphics as a 1MB trident.
Well, what type of machine are you using? I run SVGA on my P90 and it
works fine. I have to turn some things off (grass, asphalt, sky) but
other than that, it runs great.
2> The sound quality just plain sucks. I've got a pentium pro 166,
Actually, you're wrong. There is no FM sound in NASCAR 2. The engine
sample is different. So is the skidding sound. They are still digital
sounds though.
Adam
Papyrus
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> 2> The sound quality just plain sucks. I've got a pentium pro 166, > >32MB ram, a sounblaster awe32-pnp, and TWO sets of Altec Lansing > >ACS500 speaker systems - when I play the original NASCAR the room > >literally shakes. When I play NASCAR2 with the proper and same sound > >setup all I get is FM quality sound (rather than the engines rumbling > >they buzz) Tech support says it's not coming out with anything to > >correct this and its just the difference between the two games. Even > >if I had a rendition card to get the full 3D graphics the sound > >quality is so poor I just can't justify the $50! > Actually, you're wrong. There is no FM sound in NASCAR 2. The engine > sample is different. So is the skidding sound. They are still digital > sounds though.Quoted text (8 lines)
>>1> Unless you have a "Rendition" video card you can't play in hi res >>mode which leaves you with 2D graphics. Tech support, as rude as they >>were, confirmed this. I've got a Stealth 3D 2000XL w/ 4MB EDO ram >>and I get pretty much the same graphics as a 1MB trident. > 2D graphics? Pac-man was 2D. You mean VGA? Then your system needs >tweaking. I have a P133 with a Hercules Stingray Pro and I find the >framerate very nice indeed running in SVGA.Quoted text (16 lines)
>> 2> The sound quality just plain sucks. I've got a pentium pro 166, >> >32MB ram, a sounblaster awe32-pnp, and TWO sets of Altec Lansing >> >ACS500 speaker systems - when I play the original NASCAR the room >> >literally shakes. When I play NASCAR2 with the proper and same sound >> >setup all I get is FM quality sound (rather than the engines rumbling >> >they buzz) Tech support says it's not coming out with anything to >> >correct this and its just the difference between the two games. Even >> >if I had a rendition card to get the full 3D graphics the sound >> >quality is so poor I just can't justify the $50! >Well I don't know about you guys, but that is the *last* time I >listen to someone with "TWO sets of Altec Lansing ACS500 speaker >systems". I seriously doubt that the SOUND is as much of a problem >as a lack of a SAVE game feature. IMHO the lack of a SAVE game is the >disapointment. It should have been one of the first features implimented, >right after the EXIT button.Quoted text (8 lines)
>>1> Unless you have a "Rendition" video card you can't play in hi res >>mode which leaves you with 2D graphics. Tech support, as rude as they >>were, confirmed this. I've got a Stealth 3D 2000XL w/ 4MB EDO ram >>and I get pretty much the same graphics as a 1MB trident. >Well, what type of machine are you using? I run SVGA on my P90 and it >works fine. I have to turn some things off (grass, asphalt, sky) but >other than that, it runs great.The Rendition cards use few features to improve the quality of graphics
in a game (not all of these are used in N2):
Bi-linear filtering: provides smoothing of textures by eliminating
pixelization
Sub-pixel correction: aligns texture maps correctly on polygons
Alpha blending: translucency and transparency effects (atmospheric
effects like smoke and fog)
Anti-Aliasing: smooth lines and polygon edges (remove stair-step edges)
Perspective Correction: Reduces polygon counts and texture warping
MIP mapping: multiple levels of texture details for different distances
Gouraud shading: Smooth interpolation of colors across a polygon
How any times does someone have to say this, Nascar2 is a 3D game no
matter what type of video card you use. It uses polygon based graphics
which are 3D dimensional, although there also are some 2D bitmaps in
the game (like the pit crew). None of the features of a 3D accelerator
can change the inherent graphics model of the game.
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Emory University Graduate School of Arts & Sciences
The IWCCCARS Project: Q & A Representative
Nascar Setups Page: http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ebusch/
> Mine runs fine w/ just about everything turned on - great frame rate
> too, but w/ 2D graphics! Two different senior Sierra tech's say
> unless you have a rendition card your going to get 2D NOT 3D!!!!!!!!
> A good example is when your driving through the pits the people
> standing behind the wall look like flat cardboard stand ups.
Whoa, I have a Rendition 3D Reactor card and I was under the impression
that it was running in fast dma mode (i.e. 3D mode), but the people in
the pits are just cardboard stand ups. Does this mean that I am not
getting 3D? I am running renddma and I have to use dmadiag or it
doesn't work.
David Martin
The game is always in 3D mode (it's a polygon based game) regardless of
which exe you run or video card you have. The Rendition 3D cards just
add some enhanced graphical features like bi-linear filtering. The
people in the pits are always 2D bitmaps, having a 3D card does not
change the graphics model.
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Emory University Graduate School of Arts & Sciences
The IWCCCARS Project: Q & A Representative
Nascar Setups Page: http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ebusch/
> >>1> Unless you have a "Rendition" video card you can't play in hi res
> >>mode which leaves you with 2D graphics. Tech support, as rude as they
> >>were, confirmed this. I've got a Stealth 3D 2000XL w/ 4MB EDO ram
> >>and I get pretty much the same graphics as a 1MB trident.
Your screen is a 2D device. Therefore, any graphics which you are to see
have to be in 2 dimensions at some point. They are 2D representations of
a 3 dimensional scene. Having or not having a Rendition card doesn't
affect squat here. (The Rendition chip still outputs a 2D picture, it
just does it faster and in 16 bit...)
NASCAR2 is a 3D game (like Quake, Doom, VF, etc.) Your monitor is 2D, so
we project the 3D world onto your 2D screen and voila, you've got a
game.
This doesn't meant the game is 2D...
The only "2D Graphics" in the game are the interface screens, the
***pit
overlay, the fonts, etc. The rest is all 3D... What's the problem?
---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus
> Mine runs fine w/ just about everything turned on - great frame rate
> too, but w/ 2D graphics! Two different senior Sierra tech's say
> unless you have a rendition card your going to get 2D NOT 3D!!!!!!!!
> A good example is when your driving through the pits the people
> standing behind the wall look like flat cardboard stand ups.
Look at them on the Rendition version. They are the same...
---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus
The digital sound is nothing like FM QUALITY. it has got to be a problem
with your card, like what somebody suggested, and thats the sound is
playing in fast foward. There Is NO FM sound, and it doesnt sound like it
either. Have you tried manually configuring your soundcard in setup, or
even tried other cards? Try it, it could work.
The problem is that when I play N1 I get much better 3D graphics than
N2. I would think that the 3D graphics should be at least as good as
N1 and not much worse which is the case. OK so the graphics are 3D -
but the main thing is what you see on your screen, and what I see is
poor 3D graphics which may as well be 2D. Kinda like the horrible
digital sound of the engine which may as well be FM since thats the
quality sound it produces.
zig
Believe me, I've tried every config possible, as well as making sure
my sound card was in proper working order and had the most recent
drivers. One test that proves theres nothing wrong with it is when I
play N2 (listen to the engine that sounds like a swarm of bee's) exit
and load N1 to hear the rumble/girgle of the very realistic sound of
the N1 engine which you can actually feel the rumble and watch the
furniture shake!!! I use the same sound card config for both N1 & N2.
N2 produces no bass. I'm sure that a lot of people (anyone w/out a
subwoofer or high quality speaker system) wouldn't notice the
difference between the two simply because they havn't heard the sound
N1 produces to it's full potential.
zig
I had the same problem with mine. The problem is that the sound level
was too low on mine. I have an AWE32 and here's how I solved it. I had
to turn the volume all the way up in Win95, then when I get in the game,
I turn the speakers up to about 3/4. Be careful though when exiting,
because Win95 will be REAL loud.
On Sat, 21 Dec 1996 15:40:59 -0800, Eric Franzen
>> zig
> I had the same problem with mine. The problem is that the sound level
>was too low on mine. I have an AWE32 and here's how I solved it. I had
>to turn the volume all the way up in Win95, then when I get in the game,
>I turn the speakers up to about 3/4. Be careful though when exiting,
>because Win95 will be REAL loud.
Actually I have no problem with the actual volume of the sound, it's
the QUALITY.......it's horrible - theres no bass.
zig
Sears Point, CA
