Santa will bring me ICR2 or GP2. Which one should I ask for?

I will be getting ICR2 or GP2 from my wife for Christmas but I have to tell her which one. It will be running on a P120 with 3D rage card and 2 Meg VRAM. I will unfortunately be using a joystick instead of wheel/pedal set up. What SIM do you experts recommend I get first? Thanks for the help.

Hi Bill, The only choice is ICR2 or NASCAR 2. The Papyrus SIM's are in a class of their own for racing simulation. With NASCAR2 there is an extra element that is very exciting. Nascar and Sierra/Papyrus have formed a joint venture and a new NASCAR division called the NRO. This will allow people from all over the country to participate in real time true racing competition from the comfort of their own home! This is a truly amazing development for racing enthusiasts! Regards, ---Wayne.

I'll give you three opinions (no extra charge)... * Based on your machine, I'd suggest ICR2. GP2 is a bit more demanding on the CPU, so ICR2 would run more smoothly. * Have you used past racing sims from Papyrus or Microprose? Both ICR2 and GP2 carry the spirit of their predecessors, so you might find one more comfortable. * Which racing series do you prefer as a fan? Pick one or more: Model Rockets (competition-NERCB) / PCs (even Atari!) / Papyrus ICR-ICR2-NCR / Who needs a life when you have multiple non-lives?

> I will be getting ICR2 or GP2 from my wife for Christmas but I have to tell > her which one. It will be running on a P120 with 3D rage card and 2 Meg > VRAM. I will unfortunately be using a joystick instead of wheel/pedal set > up. What SIM do you experts recommend I get first? Thanks for the help. GP2 will run like ***on your machine; it's got one of the worst frame rates I've ever come across in a game. My Pentium Pro 180 can't run it without half the details being turned off. Get ICR II or NASCAR 2.

After playing them both to death gp2 for a number of reasons 1/ more tracks {no ovals which aren't tracks} 2/wheelspin and lock-ups 3/cars feel better to drive {only when u turn all the help off} 4/opponents spinning off and making mistakes trying to pass u and stuff {the AI in other words} 5/ BECAUSE THEY ARE GRAND PRIX CARS :)) After playing them both to death {i am talking serious hours here} i would go for gp2 by a tiny margin. They are both superb games and if u actually like driving ovals go for indy2. Gauntlet "Emm i like sardines too batman"

> > I will be getting ICR2 or GP2 from my wife for Christmas but I have to tell > > her which one. It will be running on a P120 with 3D rage card and 2 Meg > > VRAM. I will unfortunately be using a joystick instead of wheel/pedal set > > up. What SIM do you experts recommend I get first? Thanks for the help. > GP2 will run like ***on your machine; it's got one of the worst frame > rates I've ever come across in a game. My Pentium Pro 180 can't run it > without half the details being turned off. Get ICR II or NASCAR 2. Pro 180 without half a details off ? That's a crap...I have P133 with #9 Motion FX 771 and GP2 tis cool on SVGA medium resolution only sky and far objects are turned off so what are you talking about....you must have a shitty configuration or graphics card... IRC2 simulation sux big time....GP2 as the best physical model of a race car up to day ....

Ovals are tracks but require a different discipline. GP2 has only road courses while ICR2 and Nascar2 have both! ICR2 and NASCAR2 have this Feel of Sierra/Papyrus sims is far more realistic. I have raced a number of different divisions and can honestly say the Papyrus simulation is the closest thing to the real stuff. Nascar2 has much improved AI and has all this and more. However AI pales in comparison to real competition. In this area Nacar2 has everything else blown away. Out of the box you can race up to 8 people via network, 2 via modem or 30+ via Ten Network and to top it off there is a new Nascar divison called NRO, complete with real points, prizes etc. I personally prefer Sprint cars over all other types of race cars as they are by far the narliest monsters on the planet. As far as pavement cars go I think the cup cars are most demanding as they are very heavy and must be 'muscled' around more than a GP or ICR car. Regards, ---Wayne.

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> >I will be getting ICR2 or GP2 from my wife for Christmas but I have to tell > >her which one. It will be running on a P120 with 3D rage card and 2 Meg > >VRAM. I will unfortunately be using a joystick instead of wheel/pedal set > >up. What SIM do you experts recommend I get first? Thanks for the help. > After playing them both to death gp2 for a number of reasons > 1/ more tracks {no ovals which aren't tracks} > 2/wheelspin and lock-ups > 3/cars feel better to drive {only when u turn all the help off} > 4/opponents spinning off and making mistakes trying to pass u and > stuff {the AI in other words} > 5/ BECAUSE THEY ARE GRAND PRIX CARS :)) > After playing them both to death {i am talking serious hours here} i > would go for gp2 by a tiny margin. They are both superb games and if u > actually like driving ovals go for indy2. > Gauntlet > "Emm i like sardines too batman"

Also if you don't have a Pentium 1,000,000 GP2 is very slow. -- The wise man can pick up a grain of sand and envision a whole universe, but the stupid man will just lay down on some seaweed and roll around until he's completely draped in it. Then he'll stand up and go, "Hey, I'm Vine Man." Jack Handey. GO #2!

You have got to be kidding. Have you ever driven an actual racing vehicle of any type? ---Wayne.

Hi Bill! It's all about taste. If you prefer Indycar instead of F1, buy ICR2, else GP2. Because they are simulators they will try to fool your brain to believe it's really the real thing, hence in a perfect simulator you want know the difference from the real thing. So with this in mind, if you're an Indycar fan your brain will easier be fooled by ICR2 and if you're a F1 fan your brain will easier be fooled by GP2, because it wants to be. Think about the following when evaluating a simulator. Three things will demand clock cycles in a simulator. 1. Physics Model 2. Model and showing the 3D world 3. Opposition AI You can't have it all. If you get a simulator with a very good physics model, the 3D and AI will suffer and so fort. Good simulators often spend more clock cycles on the physics model, Arcade games spend it on the 3D and strategy games spend it on AI. /Kind Regards Christer Andersson, just a little bit smarter than a chimp, relatively speaking! > I will be getting ICR2 or GP2 from my wife for Christmas but I have to tell > her which one. It will be running on a P120 with 3D rage card and 2 Meg > VRAM. I will unfortunately be using a joystick instead of wheel/pedal set > up. What SIM do you experts recommend I get first? Thanks for the help.

On Mon, 16 Dec 1996 00:55:04 +0100, Christer Andersson >Hi Bill! GP2 is unbelievable, tremendous entertainment! ICR2 is lame I didn't spend money on either so my opinions totally unbiased jim >> I will be getting ICR2 or GP2 from my wife for Christmas but I have to tell >> her which one. It will be running on a P120 with 3D rage card and 2 Meg >> VRAM. I will unfortunately be using a joystick instead of wheel/pedal set >> up. What SIM do you experts recommend I get first? Thanks for the help.

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> On Mon, 16 Dec 1996 00:55:04 +0100, Christer Andersson > >Hi Bill! > GP2 is unbelievable, tremendous entertainment! > ICR2 is lame > I didn't spend money on either so my opinions totally unbiased > jim > >> I will be getting ICR2 or GP2 from my wife for Christmas but I have to tell > >> her which one. It will be running on a P120 with 3D rage card and 2 Meg > >> VRAM. I will unfortunately be using a joystick instead of wheel/pedal set > >> up. What SIM do you experts recommend I get first? Thanks for the help.

GP2 is unbelievably slow, even on a Pentium Pro 180. If you want a game that gives you a sense of speed versus the GP2 "slideshow" buy ICRII or NASCAR 2.

>GP2 is unbelievably slow, even on a Pentium Pro 180. If you want a game >that gives you a sense of speed versus the GP2 "slideshow" buy ICRII or >NASCAR 2. You my friend must have an unbelievably slow P180 or something else wrong with your system. GP2 runs great on my P166 Matrox Mill system with just the sky turned off and a few details in the mirrors turned off. Back to the original person's question, all three are great games it just depends on which kind of racing you like. I own all 3, and I play different ones depending on my mood. Both GP2 and Nascar2 have great graphics with GP2 having a bit better physics and sound IMHO, although the damage model on GP2 is too forgiving for collisions. Nascar2 is great if you feel like racing ovals.... GP2 is great when you feel like racing non-ovals, ICR2 is great when you feel like doing a combination of the two. Really comparing one against the other is like comparing apples to oranges, why must people always argue about which one is better since each one of these terrific games strives to simulate completely different race series and car models, and each has a different focus as far as playability and simulation. Personally if I had to choose I would probably choose GP2 first since my favorite racing series is Formula1 and that is my admitted bias, but Nascar2 would be very close behind, and ICR2 is starting to feel a bit dated as far as the driving model goes, but it is still fun to take a car out on the great Elkhart Lake track or Laguna Seca now and then. Really if you are a driving sim fan like me you will end up buying all three eventually and each one has redeeming qualities that will bring you back for more. To start with just ask yourself which race series you like most and that should give you a point to start with. Here's hoping we get MORE types of sims to choose from (i.e. motorcycle etc.) and less bashing between different auto sims (GP2 vs Nascar2 vs ICR2 vs NFS.) Cheers. --John -- Note: my real e-mail address is below. Delete the asterisks. ------------------------------+-------------------------- Seattle, Washington USA. | http://www.cool.com/~jsilva

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>> On Mon, 16 Dec 1996 00:55:04 +0100, Christer Andersson >> >Hi Bill! >> GP2 is unbelievable, tremendous entertainment! >> ICR2 is lame >> I didn't spend money on either so my opinions totally unbiased >> jim >> >> I will be getting ICR2 or GP2 from my wife for Christmas but I have to tell >> >> her which one. It will be running on a P120 with 3D rage card and 2 Meg >> >> VRAM. I will unfortunately be using a joystick instead of wheel/pedal set >> >> up. What SIM do you experts recommend I get first? Thanks for the help. >GP2 is unbelievably slow, even on a Pentium Pro 180. If you want a game >that gives you a sense of speed versus the GP2 "slideshow" buy ICRII or >NASCAR 2.

I have both sims, and I would gladly unload GP2 if I could get a decent amount for it. ICR2 is great, with the added "free" option of converting Nascar tracks (provided you have Nascar)

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>> >> I will be getting ICR2 or GP2 from my wife for Christmas but I have to tell >> >> her which one. It will be running on a P120 with 3D rage card and 2 Meg >> >> VRAM. I will unfortunately be using a joystick instead of wheel/pedal set >> >> up. What SIM do you experts recommend I get first? Thanks for the help. >GP2 is unbelievably slow, even on a Pentium Pro 180. If you want a game >that gives you a sense of speed versus the GP2 "slideshow" buy ICRII or >NASCAR 2.

Grow up. My p166 does VERY well, thank you.

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> On Mon, 16 Dec 1996 00:36:53 -0500, "Aw C'mon!" > >> On Mon, 16 Dec 1996 00:55:04 +0100, Christer Andersson > >> >Hi Bill! > >> GP2 is unbelievable, tremendous entertainment! > >> ICR2 is lame > >> I didn't spend money on either so my opinions totally unbiased > >> jim > >> >> I will be getting ICR2 or GP2 from my wife for Christmas but I have to tell > >> >> her which one. It will be running on a P120 with 3D rage card and 2 Meg > >> >> VRAM. I will unfortunately be using a joystick instead of wheel/pedal set > >> >> up. What SIM do you experts recommend I get first? Thanks for the help. > >GP2 is unbelievably slow, even on a Pentium Pro 180. If you want a game > >that gives you a sense of speed versus the GP2 "slideshow" buy ICRII or > >NASCAR 2. > I have both sims, and I would gladly unload GP2 if I could get a > decent amount for it. ICR2 is great, with the added "free" option of > converting Nascar tracks (provided you have Nascar)

Personally, I like both. I prefer GP2, but I think that whatever series you enjoy most could be an indicator to which you should get. I like Formula 1, so I play GP2 (played ICR2 until GP2 came out). Both games have their strenghts and weaknesses. -- __________________________ Torgeir Foss, Norway __________________________