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Ed Does this mean in Canada too? I spent $310 during my first month of open beta testing. I enjoyed it immensly, but my wife doesnt like the bills too much :))) Randy Peppler Prince George, BC, Canada

Ed Does this mean local access numbers in Canada? I sure hope so. I payed 310 bucks for my first month on the open beta test. It was WELL worth it for entertainment value in my book, but my wife didnt think so :))) Randy Peppler Borderline Racing Prince George, BC, Canada

If it's just a regular modem call (like the current Hawaii system), then I don't see why the NRL front-end would need to be a Win95 application. But because it is being developed as a Win95 app, it stands to reason that the NRL will use TCP/IP connection through Win95's dial-up networking. I would assume that the long delay in getting the system running is a result of efforts to reduce latency. If this proves to be the case, anyone with a local call to an ISP will have local access to the NRL. -- Emory University Graduate School of Arts & Sciences Nascar Setups Page: http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ebusch/

Bad news folks, a couple of days ago my father mentioned to me that there is a big meeting in Washington D.C. to discuss whether or not local phone companies can charge fees for internet use. Hopefully not!! I know that many other countries already have this, but I don't like the idea. There is a lot more to this then what is posted. My father saved the article in the paper so as soon as I get it I will post it here and on comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flt-sim. I'll keep you posted. Regards, John

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>If it's just a regular modem call (like the current Hawaii system), >then I don't see why the NRL front-end would need to be a Win95 >application. But because it is being developed as a Win95 app, it >stands to reason that the NRL will use TCP/IP connection through >Win95's dial-up networking. I would assume that the long delay in >getting the system running is a result of efforts to reduce latency. >If this proves to be the case, anyone with a local call to an ISP will >have local access to the NRL. >-- >Emory University Graduate School of Arts & Sciences >Nascar Setups Page: http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ebusch/ >> Does this mean local access numbers in Canada? >> I sure hope so. I payed 310 bucks for my first month >> on the open beta test. It was WELL worth it for entertainment >> value in my book, but my wife didnt think so :)))

According to the TEN multiplayer provider, They have exclusive rights to the NRL. From what I understand we will have to join them to race.

http://www.ten.net/html/ten__company_info.html According to the link above, Papyrus is currently partnering with TEN. It doesn't mention anything about Sierra though... And according to the pricing plan I saw, it is $30 a month for unlimited play time. Yes, this is much cheaper than the $100+ phone bills to play on Hawaii... man, there goes another hunk of change. There is a $10 month plan, but you only get 5 hours a month, with each additional hour costing $0.95. So, you wanted to know the price for NRL? If the info at the above URL can be believed, this is how much. Robert

I wonder what the latency would be from the UK? ;-) Cheers, Richard

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> > According to the TEN multiplayer provider, They have exclusive rights > > to the NRL. From what I understand we will have to join them to race. > http://www.ten.net/html/ten__company_info.html > According to the link above, Papyrus is currently partnering with TEN. It > doesn't mention anything about Sierra though... > And according to the pricing plan I saw, it is $30 a month for unlimited > play time. Yes, this is much cheaper than the $100+ phone bills to play on > Hawaii... man, there goes another hunk of change. > There is a $10 month plan, but you only get 5 hours a month, with each > additional hour costing $0.95. > So, you wanted to know the price for NRL? If the info at the above URL can > be believed, this is how much. > Robert

I find that hard to believe. I mean the latency is just brutal on TEN unless you have a very fast connection. I can't even play Command & Conquer or Duke Nukem on TEN because MR.Bandwidth says no go. Thats with a 28,800 connection. Maybe with the new cable internet connections.

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><more stuff> > > http://www.ten.net/html/ten__company_info.html > I find that hard to believe. I mean the latency is just brutal on TEN > unless you have a very fast connection. I can't even play Command & > Conquer or Duke Nukem on TEN because MR.Bandwidth says no go. Thats with > a 28,800 connection.

I didn't create the document I found on TEN, I just read it. And while the TEN people say they are partnering with Papyrus, they don't say what they are partnering for. I just put two and two together. Perhaps, hopefully, the answer isn't four. Do you have any info on these connections? I haven't read about them. Robert

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>>If it's just a regular modem call (like the current Hawaii system), >>then I don't see why the NRL front-end would need to be a Win95 >>application. But because it is being developed as a Win95 app, it >>stands to reason that the NRL will use TCP/IP connection through >>Win95's dial-up networking. I would assume that the long delay in >>getting the system running is a result of efforts to reduce latency. >>If this proves to be the case, anyone with a local call to an ISP will >>have local access to the NRL. >>-- >>Emory University Graduate School of Arts & Sciences >>Nascar Setups Page: http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ebusch/ >>> Does this mean local access numbers in Canada? >>> I sure hope so. I payed 310 bucks for my first month >>> on the open beta test. It was WELL worth it for entertainment >>> value in my book, but my wife didnt think so :))) >According to the TEN multiplayer provider, They have exclusive rights >to the NRL. From what I understand we will have to join them to race.

I found the information on C-NET's page.

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> http://www.ten.net/html/ten__company_info.html > According to the link above, Papyrus is currently partnering with TEN. It > doesn't mention anything about Sierra though... > And according to the pricing plan I saw, it is $30 a month for unlimited > play time. Yes, this is much cheaper than the $100+ phone bills to play on > Hawaii... man, there goes another hunk of change. > There is a $10 month plan, but you only get 5 hours a month, with each > additional hour costing $0.95. > So, you wanted to know the price for NRL? If the info at the above URL can > be believed, this is how much. > Robert

At $30/month, how difficult will it be to get on to the system. Right now we get busy signals during peak times. When the system goes public, they expect to at least double their volume. I, for one, hope they put a reasonable limit on access. Otherwise, the degaheads will end up hogging access for hours on end, while those who need to get on for quality racing will have to wait. I only need to have about 20 hours of racing time per month. That's 5 hours per week. Plenty enough time to run 2 50% length races. If everyone is limited this way, hopefully noone should complain. David Martin

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> At $30/month, how difficult will it be to get on to the system. Right > now we get busy signals during peak times. When the system goes public, > they expect to at least double their volume. I, for one, hope they put > a reasonable limit on access. Otherwise, the degaheads will end up > hogging access for hours on end, while those who need to get on for > quality racing will have to wait. I only need to have about 20 hours of > racing time per month. That's 5 hours per week. Plenty enough time to > run 2 50% length races. If everyone is limited this way, hopefully > noone should complain. > David Martin

Just my $.02, but my understanding of this whole venture is that Hawaii is a beta and with that test-platform status goes some limitations, whether they be number of users at a time or otherwise. The NRL on the other hand, as a commercial venture, would not be so constrained - ie. the more people sign up, the more cash is infused in the system, the more servers, and so on, and so on! Don't you think that they will be increasing their capacity in anticipation of all the new drivers? Nothing scares people away from an online service like the inability to log on. I personally have faith that they have enough bean counters and eggheads up there to do some heavy duty cost and usage analysis before they dump all their money into the venture. I may be proven wrong, but lets see it happen before we try to impose limitations on all those cash-spending 'degaheads'. They are probably what will keep such a large undertaking afloat, as they come in such shear numbers. ;) Mike -- ___ _ ____ _____ ____ ____ _____ | \ | | / _ \| ___| / ___| / _ \| __ \ | \ | || | | || |___ | | | | | || |__| | | |\ \| || |_| ||___ || | | |_| || _ / | | \ || _ | ___| || |___ | _ || | \ \ |_| \__||_| |_||_____| \____||_| |_||_| \_\ Go fast, Turn left! The reason to live!

Yeah the cable internet connections are available right now in Canada via Rogers Cable, but only in a small test market near Toronto. I've been told they should be available throughout Canada sometime in early 97. Supposedly the speed is around the 400,000 baud rate right now. I heard the price however is going to be around 60 dollars a month for unlimited access, which includes the cable box you need to hook up and all other cables, wires etc. Sounds promising.

Is the same price as ISDN, and a lot faster. Sounds good. And installation prices? The computer hardware required? Questions, questions....

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> At $30/month, how difficult will it be to get on to the system. Right > now we get busy signals during peak times. When the system goes public, > they expect to at least double their volume. I, for one, hope they put > a reasonable limit on access. Otherwise, the degaheads will end up > hogging access for hours on end, while those who need to get on for > quality racing will have to wait. I only need to have about 20 hours of > racing time per month. That's 5 hours per week. Plenty enough time to > run 2 50% length races. If everyone is limited this way, hopefully > noone should complain. > David Martin

Well put David. It is far more enjoyable to me to run two 50% length races a week than it is to run 25 5-10% races. My $.02 worth. See you at the track! Don Clawson DonC - Hawaii

I was talking with someone yesterday about cable modems. He is in the test market here in Fremont, CA. I guess they are charging approx. $40 a month. That's for the rental, and I assume unlimited access. I guess you need a network card as well, since the com ports can't handle that much info. It's about 5X faster than an ISDN line. When he was messing with it at TCI, he said that it could play video with almost no slowdown (a little bit of a pause every ten sec. or so). The guy has his own network (so they didn't have to charge him for a network card) at home consisting of 4 pc's; so with the cable modem, all of them are hooked up through the network connection. Which I thought was pretty neat! That's about all the info I have on it

hey john id like to read it as i am thinking of solutions to this very big and unfair problem thanks don