GP2: HELPS OFF while playing with joystick!

I couldn't agree more. I'm wondering the same thing you are... Mika, I've got a T-1 and I have the same problems. It's just too "jumpy", I finally got it set at Zone 100%, Steering lock of 20 and Reduce to 65%. No matter what I did, I either had a car that on the long straights was twitchy at every move, or it wouldn't make the corners with any sense of decency at all. With the steering help on, I can't help but feel like I just turn the wheel, and eventually, the car will come to the corner, and the car will turn. It's almost as bad as Blue Angels simulation, where you just "go thru the motions"... So... I can either drive a car that is stable and get frustrated thinking I'm driving something with training wheels, OR, I can spin out everytime I hit a curbing in the least little bit. I am used to taking slightly different lines thru the hairpin areas of Brazil, and with steering help ON, I can't do that at all. with it off, it's Wednesday before I even arrive in that area of the track. My race car becomes a lawn mower more than anything else. anyone got any suggestions? Go #6 Mark Martin,#16 Ted Musgrave & #99 Jeff Burton - Jack Roush Racing!! NASCAR Racing!! [link lost in import: /~sean/nascar/nascar.htm] <--NASCAR Racing Sim page

I'm going through the same thing right now. Try loading the default T2.con on the CD (in util I think) set pedal/brake sensitivity to 0%, turn opposite lock help on and MAKE yourself race a full season. I'm finding the max lock/reduce/sens a pretty stable combination so my steering isn't too twitchy but I find my passing is improving since I'm not 'riding the steering help rails' anymore. It takes time to get used to running with steering help off but I'm having a lot more fun (though I'm sure not winning much yet :) And above all...have fun! warlock

I was just wondering that there is no reason to play gp2 with joystick helps off (steering help, opposition lock help doesn't matter). Last weekend I took that steering help off and tryed to play the game, but it just pisses me off. Of course it is more realistic, but there is something wrong on the steering, coz if your front wheel goes to a gerb in a high speed corner the car spins immediately. Are the simulations ot the kerbs of the game made so "high" that you just cant hit them without spinning. This spinning happens also on low speed corners, so because of this I made a time 1:24:xxx on Monza, but with steering help on I managed to do 1:21:9xx time. IT WOULD BE MUCH BETTER TO DRIVE WITH A STEERING WHEEL, so has anyone managed to find a good balance with the game, without using steering help. While driving, I used that "Sensitive zone" 100%, "Steering angle" 10 and "Reduce with speed" 65%. I think i'll go back to the steering help on and make good times and stay in the track (while racing) THAN just do a one "medium" lap and spin off. Mika Melonen -- ..ooOooOooOooOooOooOooOooOooOooOooOooOooOooOooOooOooOooOooOooOooOooOooOooOoo.. Mika Melonen Kuopio Institute phone: 040 5204117 Kuopion Teknillinen http://orion.pspt.fi/~mmelone O p p i l a i t o s ..ooOooOooOooOooOooOooOooOooOooOooOooOooOooOooOooOooOooOooOooOooOooOooOooOoo..

This depends greatly on where you are and how the car is set up. For instance there are many corners where you can use huge amounts of kerbing on the outside (Second Lesmo, Renault, Estoril Bend, Copse). It does seem that all the corners I`ve listed are quick ones. There are also corners such as Ascari, Chicane 1(Hockenheim) and practically anywhere at Jerez where you can use lots of kerbing at the apex. Its just a matter of figuring how much you can get away with using. I too found GP2 incredibaly (sp?) difficult when I first switched off steering help, but IMHO it is much more rewading to drive without it. From experience and other peoples comments it seems that you can`t use as much oversteer with SH off, so you could try adding more rear wing, or softening the rear suspension (Generally changing the overall balance of your set up). I use all L.S. zones 75%, R.W.S. 65%, Lock 14 deg. With these settings I can run 1m20.x(Barcelona),1m15.x(Magny Cours),1m23.x(Silverstone) using a joystick. I hope this helps you some. Mark _________________________________ "..every lap I think `Oh bollocks! This is dreadful..`" Damon Hill __________________________________

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>>I am used to taking slightly different lines thru the hairpin areas of >>Brazil, and with steering help ON, I can't do that at all. with it >>off, it's Wednesday before I even arrive in that area of the track. >>My race car becomes a lawn mower more than anything else. >>anyone got any suggestions? >I'm going through the same thing right now. Try loading the default >T2.con on the CD (in util I think) set pedal/brake sensitivity >to 0%, turn opposite lock help on and MAKE yourself race a full >season. I'm finding the max lock/reduce/sens a pretty stable >combination so my steering isn't too twitchy but I find my passing >is improving since I'm not 'riding the steering help rails' >anymore. It takes time to get used to running with steering help >off but I'm having a lot more fun (though I'm sure not winning much >yet :)

I am also going through this at present. The only setup I could adapt before accel/brakes with a stick and steering with the keys. I felt a lot more comfortable with digital steering than digital accel/braking. Now I have purchased a T2 wheel and find that I have to relearn all the tracks. I don't want to hear about SH (Steering Help that is, not Spectrum Holobyte:) anymore, but boy does learning come hard. Tho I drive with a T2 I guess we face the same problems moving from keyboard steering with SH to analog steering. I'd like to point out that GP2 is the first racing sim that I really felt like going deep into. My previous driving experience is with driving regular cars in a regular way, i.e. never learned or been taught how to take a climbing hairpin at 130kph :) Some things I have learned the hard way (without SH): Don't do curbs while steering. Steering while on curbs will effectively send you into the grass, and you'll be lucky if you're not at Monte-Carlo. Try to control your speed so that you only clip it with less than half a wheel, or enter them with your steering is almost neutral. Computer cars drive with SH, so that's no problem for them. In slippery and inclined surfaces (Interlagos, Aida) never brake and steer at the same time. I don't think it's my car setup, as I am using record-breaking setups taken from various GP2 sites on the Web. Set your speed right before you enter the corner, from my experience the slightest touch of brakes inside Estoril's hairpin or Aida's Hobbs Corner for instance with make you spin in the middle of the track. Don't accelerate much also, results will be the same as with braking. I found out that my T2 pedals really work on only about 30 degrees of 'deflection', i.e. more pressure and wheels lock or I am at full throttle (I attribute this to my CH gamecard and my AWE32 game port, but I can't find a Thrustmaster ACM gamecard where I live). One thing that made me gain a couple of seconds on every track is when I realized that high values in Steering Lock mean trouble. I thought 35 degrees would allow me to steer better, but it only resulted in terrible underspin. After much experimenting I found out that my car steers the best with 11 deg. of steering lock. Enough steering to get into any hairpin, no control input induced understeering. Sorry if any of this sounds like bullshit, I have made some posts for hints but never saw any, (I know my ISP or the ones before him lose a _lot_ of posts, like I never saw the original one), as well as I couldn't find a non-Microprose GP2 FAQ or hintsheet. So pls take all of the above FWIW. I'd be happy to know myself what I am doing wrong. Sincerely, Karim ---------------------------------------- Please double any reply with an e-mail. My ISP loses them less often :(