Level on Hawaii??

> > Okay now. Since you all, the beta testers of Hawaii, say that there is a "level" > > playing field, then answer me this... > > Why do you get the releases or so called, "fixes" before everyone else? Like a > > couple or months ahead of everyone. Now that's an advantage in itself. Julian; I know you are upset at some people because you feel that they are twisting your words, but now You are twisting words. Who told you this? Nobody who was on the closed beta receives anything more than those who are on the open beta now. We're all on the same level. We get releases or fixes or anything else you want to call them just like everyone else does. When we log onto the Hawaii system, we get it Auto DL'ed to us or they are in the file area. We don't get anything else/more than what anyone else who chooses to be on the system gets. Oh so now you're saying that if a guy puts in his time and money to help test and tune the system, he should not get to partake in the final product? Try this one on for size. Mark Martin tested out at the new Texas Speedway a couple of weeks back. He's one of the few WC drivers to be on that track. By your logic, he should now not be allowed to race there in April. So what your saying is that if I should be so lucky as to get to test the NRL prototype, if indeed there should be one, then it's no more MP racing for Mark? Congratulations Julian, you've just managed to***me off. Contrary to your belief, Julian, some guy in a black car doesn't show up at our houses with weekly X-Files. Scully! There's Not Anything Up There! You know what the bugs are by being on the system. You get in a race, a bug occurs, you tell somebody at papy, they fix it. My God! You'd think it was an open beta test or something! As much as you do. They read this group. I have EMail addresses (The same ones you'll find on the opening screens of Hawaii and in here). If I lived in Mass. I might even stop by the shop as I'm sure you could (please make an appointment though... I would). Julian, you're digging for something that's just not there.

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> Okay now. Since you all, the beta testers of Hawaii, say that there is a "level" > playing field, then answer me this... > Why do you get the releases or so called, "fixes" before everyone else? Like a > couple or months ahead of everyone. Now that's an advantage in itself. > If you get the software for NRL in advance.. I don't think you should be apart > of NRL... > Now who is playing level or fair?? > You all know of all the bugs on MP.. You have close contact with the Papy boyz..

Can we say, glutton for punishment? And you wonder why people come down on you with comments like that. ~G

Okay now. Since you all, the beta testers of Hawaii, say that there is a "level" playing field, then answer me this... Why do you get the releases or so called, "fixes" before everyone else? Like a couple or months ahead of everyone. Now that's an advantage in itself. If you get the software for NRL in advance.. I don't think you should be apart of NRL... Now who is playing level or fair?? You all know of all the bugs on MP.. You have close contact with the Papy boyz..

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> Okay now. Since you all, the beta testers of Hawaii, say that there is a "level" > playing field, then answer me this... > Why do you get the releases or so called, "fixes" before everyone else? Like a > couple or months ahead of everyone. Now that's an advantage in itself. > If you get the software for NRL in advance.. I don't think you should be apart > of NRL... > Now who is playing level or fair?? > You all know of all the bugs on MP.. You have close contact with the Papy boyz..

Julian, your dead wrong! None of the original beta's get any fixes before anyone else. You think we had a big advantage when they went open beta? Well guess what we got a brand new multi the same as the new guys! And the physics models were changed on a bunch of tracks! Gee, all my hard worked setings gone down the drain! At Bristol my numbers were as good as anybodies online before they went open beta and Rhawn and I had a few memorable duels by ourselves because few others could run with us! But they made it a whole lot stickier in the new multi and my old setup was worthless! Now, everybody it seems can run 134-35's. Most of the bugs on line now, didn't occur when we had smaller numbers racing because the system wasn't being pushed to the max, like it is now! So, again we found out the same time as you! Maybe, you would have liked all the bugs we had to put up with when it first started! Guys, today race a whole lot more than we used to. Plus, we had very little experience racing big fields, as the only nights enough were online were Tuesday nights. I got more races in the first 2 weeks it went open than in the first 4 months combined! We reported our bugs to Papy and they looked at them and decided if they were valid. We got very little feedback unless there was a specific question. In fact I would lay odds that most original betas have never spoken to Papy people, other than by fax or e-mail and you can do that as well! Don't know who is feeding you this but it is incorrect at least from my perspective! Pete P.S. The biggest difference between today and the early days was the patience, respect and sportsmanship! Win at any cost seems to have replaced that "poor attitude". Hmmm.. come to think of it maybe we did have an advantage it was more enjoyable!

Julian, I am now convinced without a doubt that you are speaking for someone else. Maybe you really believe what they are telling you, I'm not sure. Unfortunately they are pointing you down the wrong path. Wake up man, before it's too late. The only advantage I have is dedication. If your not as good as someone else in the upcoming NRL, face it like a man. Go back and practice but don't try and make yourself feel better by thinking some have an advantage. What a waste of time. Sounds like you won't be on the NRL because of these beliefs, so good luck wherever you race. Ripp Virtual Velocity Racing

shooting through ***space: Yaaaaaaaaaaaagh! I knew this pun would come out of the closet sooner or later.. but from YOU, Ed?! Paragon of straight-lacedness? The Al ***of the sim world? Man. What is this world coming to? -- SimRacing Online Webmaster http://www.simracing.com/ Hawaii: IWCCCARS

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>Okay now. Since you all, the beta testers of Hawaii, say that there is a "level" >playing field, then answer me this... >Why do you get the releases or so called, "fixes" before everyone else? Like a >couple or months ahead of everyone. Now that's an advantage in itself. >If you get the software for NRL in advance.. I don't think you should be apart >of NRL... >Now who is playing level or fair?? >You all know of all the bugs on MP.. You have close contact with the Papy boyz..

Give it up Julian. Nothing justifies cheating. Hawaii is a test package if I'm not mistaken. IF your not following the rules then your not being fair to yourself or anyone else. It doesn't matter what anyone else does.

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>Okay now. Since you all, the beta testers of Hawaii, say that there is a "level" >playing field, then answer me this... >Why do you get the releases or so called, "fixes" before everyone else? Like a >couple or months ahead of everyone. Now that's an advantage in itself. >If you get the software for NRL in advance.. I don't think you should be apart >of NRL... >Now who is playing level or fair?? >You all know of all the bugs on MP.. You have close contact with the Papy boyz..

Nobody outside of Papyrus gets "fixes" or updates to Hawaii before they are released publicly. Yes, before we released Hawaii publicly back in April of this year, there was a closed beta period where a few hundred people participated. However, since we went public, no "private" fixes/pathces/enhancements have been privately released. I think you have some bad data, Julian. Ed Martin Manager, NASCAR Racing League Papyrus / Sierra On-Line, Inc.

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> shooting through ***space: > >I think you have some bad data, Julian. > >Ed Martin > Yaaaaaaaaaaaagh! I knew this pun would come out of the closet sooner > or later.. but from YOU, Ed?! Paragon of straight-lacedness? The Al >***of the sim world? > Man. What is this world coming to? > -- > SimRacing Online Webmaster > http://www.simracing.com/ > Hawaii: IWCCCARS

Hmm, Ed must be working too hard these days, eh?? <g>

Rhawn, I WILL be on NRL when it comes out.. I look forward in racing the "Fast" guys!~!<G> I really want to see how good you are .. I have been told by many. Plus, I have respect for you before Hawaii was an "open" beta.. take care

Pete, I understand... Just searching for the truth that's all.. take care..

:I think you have some bad data, Julian. : : :Ed Martin :Manager, NASCAR Racing League :Papyrus / Sierra On-Line, Inc. Go one Edward!!<G> It's about time to see some humor out of you guys!! take care