.NET - JIT Debugging Help Needed

Might have asked here before when SCC came out but here goes again. I am still having the JIT Debugger errors with .NET that won't let me into the SCC Launcher. It's becoming a bigger and bigger issue as now Porsche Supercup and probably future add-ons have to be started with the launcher. The problem is: About 80% of the time when I try and start the SCC launcher I get a <<Common Language Runtime Debugging Services>> message followed by a <<No debugger found>> message. This has something to do with the JIT debugging in .NET but I can't figure out what or how to fix it. SCC it's self runs fine and I can launch it directly with the .exe. The weird thing is that it does this on about 80% of the boot ups the other 20% of the time the Launcher works fine. If it works on the boot up it will always work on that boot up. You can start SCC through the launcher, shut it down, open up other programs, and five hours later you can still start the launcher no problem. But if it doesn't work on a boot up it will never work on that boot up. Some one suggested changing the Machine.config file to read true instead of false for the JIT Debugging but that didn't help. One possibility is that when SCC was released and it said it needed .NET Framework 1.1 I went to Microsoft and downloaded and halfassed installed .NET Framework 1.1 SDK when I realized I it wasn't the SDK that I needed I uninstalled it and downloaded and installed .NET Framework 1.1. I've since uninstalled, redownloaded and reinstalled .NET Framework 1.1 a couple of times with no difference. However I'm beginning to think that maybe some part of the SDK lurks around in my HDD causing trouble. Still it's odd that it sometimes works. From what I've read and what little I comprehend I don't need the JIT Debugger. That it's a development tool. As I've stated above I uninstalled the SDK but are there still registry keys I need to get into to root it out. Thanks RUDEBOY

My magic 8 ball suggested you might just need to bite the bullet and do a format and re-install. ;) "Rudeboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:v1BLc.77557$ek5.68023@pd7tw2no...

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> Might have asked here before when SCC came out but here goes again. > > I am still having the JIT Debugger errors with .NET that won't let me into > the SCC Launcher. It's becoming a bigger and bigger issue as now Porsche > Supercup and probably future add-ons have to be started with the launcher. > > The problem is: About 80% of the time when I try and start the SCC

launcher > I get a <<Common Language Runtime Debugging Services>> message followed bya > <<No debugger found>> message. This has something to do with the JIT > debugging in .NET but I can't figure out what or how to fix it. SCC it's > self runs fine and I can launch it directly with the .exe. > > The weird thing is that it does this on about 80% of the boot ups theother > 20% of the time the Launcher works fine. If it works on the boot up itwill > always work on that boot up. You can start SCC through the launcher, shutit > down, open up other programs, and five hours later you can still start the > launcher no problem. But if it doesn't work on a boot up it will neverwork > on that boot up. > > > Some one suggested changing the Machine.config file to read true insteadof

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> false for the JIT Debugging but that didn't help. > > One possibility is that when SCC was released and it said it needed .NET > Framework 1.1 I went to Microsoft and downloaded and halfassed installed > .NET Framework 1.1 SDK when I realized I it wasn't the SDK that I needed I > uninstalled it and downloaded and installed .NET Framework 1.1. I've since > uninstalled, redownloaded and reinstalled .NET Framework 1.1 a couple of > times with no difference. However I'm beginning to think that maybe some > part of the SDK lurks around in my HDD causing trouble. Still it's odd > that it sometimes works. > > From what I've read and what little I comprehend I don't need the JIT > Debugger. That it's a development tool. As I've stated above I

uninstalled > the SDK but are there still registry keys I need to get into to root itout. > > Thanks > > RUDEBOY > >

"Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:upBLc.298016$[email hidden]... > My magic 8 ball suggested you might just need to bite the bullet and do a > format and re-install. ;) > > D'Oh!

Sounds like they have an unhandled error in their code and your just seeing the results of it. If your getting a JIT error then something in the code has failed. "Rudeboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jACLc.73624$Mr4.46889@pd7tw1no... > > "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:upBLc.298016$[email hidden]... > > My magic 8 ball suggested you might just need to bite the bullet and doa > > format and re-install. ;) > > > > > D'Oh! > >

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 23:00:31 GMT, Rudeboy wrote:

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> > "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:upBLc.298016$[email hidden]... >> My magic 8 ball suggested you might just need to bite the bullet and do a >> format and re-install. ;) >> >> > D'Oh!

Man, that's tough luck if this should turn out to be the "solution" to your problem. That is exactly the point why I have not yet brought myself to installing thist .net **** just to run a mod or two. But then, I'm still on loss98se which runs fine for all my gaming needs (everything else is 100% Linux here ;-) Good luck, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

"Rudeboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:v1BLc.77557$ek5.68023@pd7tw2no: > Might have asked here before when SCC came out but here goes again. > > I am still having the JIT Debugger errors with .NET that won't let me > into the SCC Launcher. It's becoming a bigger and bigger issue as now > Porsche Supercup and probably future add-ons have to be started with > the launcher. Do you know if you have the latest version of .net? I beleive SCC runs best with version 1.1xxxx of .net. Try re-installing just the .net runtime files first...before wiping everything clean. dh btw...have you done the simple things like checking for spyprograms and virus' and making sure you don't have a-lot of background programs running?

Why this hatred of dot net? Its not much more than a combination of Visual Basic and C++ both of which you run on 98. Mitch "Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 23:00:31 GMT, Rudeboy wrote: > > > > "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:upBLc.298016$[email hidden]... > >> My magic 8 ball suggested you might just need to bite the bullet and doa

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> >> format and re-install. ;) > >> > >> > > D'Oh! > > Man, that's tough luck if this should turn out to be the "solution" to > your problem. That is exactly the point why I have not yet brought > myself to installing thist .net **** just to run a mod or two. But > then, I'm still on loss98se which runs fine for all my gaming needs > (everything else is 100% Linux here ;-) > > Good luck, > > uwe > > > > -- > mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) > Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ > Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) > GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

If anything .NET is a much cleaner way to install applications than previous ways. People just hate it since it is from MS. I develop with .NET everyday and would not want to go back to previous ways. The .NET framework is nothing more than basically the runtime libraries that applications run on. "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:eI2Mc.326$[email hidden]... > Why this hatred of dot net? Its not much more than a combination ofVisual

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> Basic and C++ both of which you run on 98. > > Mitch > > > "Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 23:00:31 GMT, Rudeboy wrote: > > > > > > "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:upBLc.298016$[email hidden]... > > >> My magic 8 ball suggested you might just need to bite the bullet and

do

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> a > > >> format and re-install. ;) > > >> > > >> > > > D'Oh! > > > > Man, that's tough luck if this should turn out to be the "solution" to > > your problem. That is exactly the point why I have not yet brought > > myself to installing thist .net **** just to run a mod or two. But > > then, I'm still on loss98se which runs fine for all my gaming needs > > (everything else is 100% Linux here ;-) > > > > Good luck, > > > > uwe > > > > > > > > -- > > mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) > > Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ > > Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) > > GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61 > >

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 07:00:26 GMT, Mitch_A wrote: > Why this hatred of dot net? Its not much more than a combination of Visual > Basic and C++ both of which you run on 98. > > Mitch > Hatred? Hardly. Indifference: yes. ;-) Cheers, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:eI2Mc.326$[email hidden]... > Why this hatred of dot net? Its not much more than a combination ofVisual > Basic and C++ both of which you run on 98. > > Mitch > > My guess would be they dont understand it, so it gets blaimed for system problems that existed b4 yet hadnt reared their ugly heads yet.

"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:go5Mc.36933$[email hidden]... > If anything .NET is a much cleaner way to install applications thanprevious > ways. People just hate it since it is from MS. I develop with .NET > everyday and would not want to go back to previous ways. > The .NET framework is nothing more than basically the runtime librariesthat

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> applications run on. > > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:eI2Mc.326$[email hidden]... > > Why this hatred of dot net? Its not much more than a combination of > Visual > > Basic and C++ both of which you run on 98. > > > > Mitch

Ok, OK. I didn't mean for this to become a MS bashing thread (or a MS apologist thread either ;-) I just want a solution. So Schooner do you know if JIT Debugging is part of .Net Framework 1.1? Or is it part of the .NET Framework 1.1 SDK? And if so how do I remove it completely including Registries? And do you think that will solve things? Thanks.

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > Do you know if you have the latest version of .net? I beleive SCCruns > best with version 1.1xxxx of .net. Try re-installing just the .net > runtime files first...before wiping everything clean. > > dh > btw...have you done the simple things like checking for spyprograms and > virus' and making sure you don't have a-lot of background programsrunning? >Ya it was the latest .NET version 1.1. I have a pretty minimal bootup so there shouldn't be much running in the background. But I'll try shutting down various XP background stuff. I don't think I have a virus or spyware but I'll do an other scan just incase. (What would you suggest for a spyware sweeper?) What do you mean "just the runtime files"? What are they and where do I find them? Thanks

The JIT debugging error is probably due to the SDK install however that shouldn't matter. The point is an error is happening with the program to cause that to show up. If reinstalling the framework doesn't help then again it is probably an error in the program's code itself and little you can do other than contact the authors. "Rudeboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bCdMc.101564$ek5.90396@pd7tw2no...

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> > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:go5Mc.36933$[email hidden]... > > If anything .NET is a much cleaner way to install applications than > previous > > ways. People just hate it since it is from MS. I develop with .NET > > everyday and would not want to go back to previous ways. > > The .NET framework is nothing more than basically the runtime libraries > that > > applications run on. > > > > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:eI2Mc.326$[email hidden]... > > > Why this hatred of dot net? Its not much more than a combination of > > Visual > > > Basic and C++ both of which you run on 98. > > > > > > Mitch > Ok, OK. I didn't mean for this to become a MS bashing thread (or a MS > apologist thread either ;-) I just want a solution. > > So Schooner do you know if JIT Debugging is part of .Net Framework 1.1?

Or > is it part of the .NET Framework 1.1 SDK? And if so how do I remove it > completely including Registries? And do you think that will solve things? > > Thanks. > >

"Rudeboy" <

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> Ya it was the latest .NET version 1.1. > I have a pretty minimal bootup so there shouldn't be much running in the > background. But I'll try shutting down various XP background stuff. > I don't think I have a virus or spyware but I'll do an other scan just > incase. (What would you suggest for a spyware sweeper?) > What do you mean "just the runtime files"? What are they and where do I > find them? > > Thanks > > >

I use both adaware 6 and Spybot. They both seem to pick up stuff missed . Although, Adaware seems to find a few more things after Spybot is done. The runtime files was my reference to the .net stuff. I just wanted to make sure you had the files needed to run .net code. So uninstall and then re-install .net. Did you get any installation errors? Another option would be to dload the non installer version of SCC and unrar it manually. You'd need to go to RaceSimCentral's SCC forum and get a premade driver. The .net usage is by the SCC loader only. If you can bypass that, then the .net isn't needed. Of course you can use the nifty featurers like the headlight activation, carlocker, track stats etc. I had the demo previously installed and there was a 2nd SCC exe file. IT had a longer file name than the loader(which is scc.exe) With the demo exe, you can launch directly to SCC, again skipping the SCC loader. good luck dave henrie

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I use both adaware 6 and Spybot. They both seem to pick up stuffmissed > . > Although, Adaware seems to find a few more things after Spybot is done. > The runtime files was my reference to the .net stuff. I just wanted to > make sure you had the files needed to run .net code. So uninstall andthen > re-install .net. Did you get any installation errors? Another option > would be to dload the non installer version of SCC and unrar it manually. > You'd need to go to RaceSimCentral's SCC forum and get a premade driver. > The .net usage is by the SCC loader only. If you can bypass that, thenthe

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> .net isn't needed. Of course you can use the nifty featurers like the > headlight activation, carlocker, track stats etc. > > I had the demo previously installed and there was a 2nd SCC exe file. IT > had a longer file name than the loader(which is scc.exe) With the demo > exe, you can launch directly to SCC, again skipping the SCC loader. > > good luck > dave henrie

Ran Adware 6, everything clean. Uninstalled .NET Framework 1.1. Manually erased Microsoft.NET folder in Windows that was still hanging around. Downloaded .NET Framework 1.1 again from Windows update. Installed. No instalation errors. Same problem. Sorry I've asked about this in a few places I'm not sure that I mentioned it here but SCC works perfectly fine from the .exe. It's only the Installer that there is an issue with, that's why I didn't push the issue before, in that I could use SCC perfectly although your right I missed out a few options in the Launcher. But now Porsche Cup is out you can't really start it without the Installer. Also I suspect that in the future more and more Mods will use it too. I never installed the SCC demo so I didn't have anything hanging around from it. Schooner is probably right that there is some small error in the SCC Launcher code that's launching the JIT debugger but it must be pretty inocuous because everyone else runs it with no problem. I still think that the problem is some SDK stuff hanging around in the Registry. Does anyone know how to clean it out? Thanks.

Again you will only get the JIT windows IF an error has occurred. Getting rid of the SDK and related is not going to fix the problem causing this IMHO. "Rudeboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0VxMc.108240$ek5.33202@pd7tw2no...

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> "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > I use both adaware 6 and Spybot. They both seem to pick up stuff > missed > > . > > Although, Adaware seems to find a few more things after Spybot is done. > > The runtime files was my reference to the .net stuff. I just wanted to > > make sure you had the files needed to run .net code. So uninstall and > then > > re-install .net. Did you get any installation errors? Another option > > would be to dload the non installer version of SCC and unrar it

manually.

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> > You'd need to go to RaceSimCentral's SCC forum and get a premade driver. > > The .net usage is by the SCC loader only. If you can bypass that, then > the > > .net isn't needed. Of course you can use the nifty featurers like the > > headlight activation, carlocker, track stats etc. > > > > I had the demo previously installed and there was a 2nd SCC exe file.

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> > had a longer file name than the loader(which is scc.exe) With the demo > > exe, you can launch directly to SCC, again skipping the SCC loader. > > > > good luck > > dave henrie > > Ran Adware 6, everything clean. > > Uninstalled .NET Framework 1.1. Manually erased Microsoft.NET folder in > Windows that was still hanging around. Downloaded .NET Framework 1.1

again > from Windows update. Installed. No instalation errors. Same problem. > > Sorry I've asked about this in a few places I'm not sure that I mentionedit > here but SCC works perfectly fine from the .exe. It's only the Installer > that there is an issue with, that's why I didn't push the issue before, in > that I could use SCC perfectly although your right I missed out a few > options in the Launcher. But now Porsche Cup is out you can't reallystart > it without the Installer. Also I suspect that in the future more and more > Mods will use it too. > > I never installed the SCC demo so I didn't have anything hanging aroundfrom

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> it. > > Schooner is probably right that there is some small error in the SCC > Launcher code that's launching the JIT debugger but it must be pretty > inocuous because everyone else runs it with no problem. > I still think that the problem is some SDK stuff hanging around in the > Registry. Does anyone know how to clean it out? > > Thanks. > >

"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:s6yMc.37565$[email hidden]... > Again you will only get the JIT windows IF an error has occurred. Getting > rid of the SDK and related is not going to fix the problem causing this > IMHO. > But how come no one else has this problem or a CTD for the error if there is no Debugger? I've re-downloaded and reinstalled SCC a couple of times.

It could be something specific to your setup that is causing the error and perhaps others don't have the same configuration, I have no idea. Without seeing the actual error there isn't much I or anyone else can do really. "Rudeboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:TDAMc.104572$Mr4.37078@pd7tw1no... > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:s6yMc.37565$[email hidden]... > > Again you will only get the JIT windows IF an error has occurred.Getting > > rid of the SDK and related is not going to fix the problem causing this > > IMHO. > > > > But how come no one else has this problem or a CTD for the error if thereis > no Debugger? > I've re-downloaded and reinstalled SCC a couple of times. > >

"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tQAMc.37630$[email hidden]... > It could be something specific to your setup that is causing the error and > perhaps others don't have the same configuration, I have no idea. Without > seeing the actual error there isn't much I or anyone else can do really. Okeydokey, I know it of by heart by now: <<SCC.exe - Common Language Runtime Debugging Services Application has generated an exception that could not be handled. Process id=0x5dc(1500), Thread id=0x5e0(1504). Click OK to terminate the application. Click CANCEL to debug the application.>> Clicking OK terminates it, obviously, clicking cancel results in: <<SCC.exe - No Debugger found. Registered JIT debugger is not available. An attempt to launch a JIT debugger with the following comand resulted in an error code of 0x2(2). Please check computer settings. cordbg.exe !a 0x5dc Click Retry to have the process wait while attaching a debugger manually. Click Cancel to abort the JIT debug request.>> Clicking Cancel results in termination and clicking Retry results in nothing, except I think it leaves a runtime process going waiting for the debugger that never comes. Thanks Rudeboy

Have you contacted the authors with this problem? "Rudeboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:82FMc.109126$ek5.78821@pd7tw2no... > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:tQAMc.37630$[email hidden]... > > It could be something specific to your setup that is causing the errorand > > perhaps others don't have the same configuration, I have no idea.Without

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> > seeing the actual error there isn't much I or anyone else can do really. > > Okeydokey, I know it of by heart by now: > > <<SCC.exe - Common Language Runtime Debugging Services > > Application has generated an exception that could not be handled. > > Process id=0x5dc(1500), Thread id=0x5e0(1504). > > Click OK to terminate the application. > Click CANCEL to debug the application.>> > > > Clicking OK terminates it, obviously, clicking cancel results in: > > <<SCC.exe - No Debugger found. > > Registered JIT debugger is not available. An attempt to launch a JIT > debugger with the following comand resulted in an error code of 0x2(2). > Please check computer settings. > > cordbg.exe !a 0x5dc > > Click Retry to have the process wait while attaching a debugger manually. > Click Cancel to abort the JIT debug request.>> > > Clicking Cancel results in termination and clicking Retry results in > nothing, except I think it leaves a runtime process going waiting for the > debugger that never comes. > > Thanks > Rudeboy > > >