sim racing dead? browsing for wheels at the store..

Hi all..was in a few stores (upstate NY area) yesterday. I am amazed at the lack of wheels for pc racing. Only wheel available was the black momo. Used to at least have your choice of a logi, ms, thrustmaster. Must be we are not that important. DC

It comes and goes. I'd say we are in a dead time right now it seems. The fact Act Labs has slowly been dieing for the last year or more shows that the market just can't support a lot of producers for the mass market wheels. Logitech pretty much has a lock on that market now and the high end makers like TSW, ECCI, etc get the rest. Despite what people here might think the sim racing market is just not that big compared to other PC markets. Just not enough profit for the effort I think. Easier to make money selling console games and controllers with less risk. "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%MQMc.4090$[email hidden]... > Hi all..was in a few stores (upstate NY area) yesterday. I am amazed atthe > lack of wheels for pc racing. Only wheel available was the black momo.Used > to at least have your choice of a logi, ms, thrustmaster. Must be we arenot > that important. > > DC > >

"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IVQMc.38033$[email hidden]... > It comes and goes. I'd say we are in a dead time right now it seems. The > fact Act Labs has slowly been dieing for the last year or more shows that > the market just can't support a lot of producers for the mass marketwheels. > Logitech pretty much has a lock on that market now and the high endmakers > like TSW, ECCI, etc get the rest. > Despite what people here might think the sim racing market is just notthat > big compared to other PC markets. Just not enough profit for the effort I > think. Easier to make money selling console games and controllers withless

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> risk. > > > "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:%MQMc.4090$[email hidden]... > > Hi all..was in a few stores (upstate NY area) yesterday. I am amazed at > the > > lack of wheels for pc racing. Only wheel available was the black momo. > Used > > to at least have your choice of a logi, ms, thrustmaster. Must be we are > not > > that important. > > > > DC > > > > > >

agreed..it would be nice to get a nice wheel that falls in between the two levels. I have a tsw but would like a decent ff wheel too. One that is of good quality with out having to take out a loan to purchase it. Oh well... DC

David, If you already have a TSW, why not pick up that black MOMO and use it with the TSW peds if you want FF? Most sims now support multiple simultaneous controllers. I've been using my MOMO (red) along with my TSW's peds for years now in sims like GPL, Nascar Racing ( and Heat) , F1C, LFS, NetKar, TOCA Race Driver 2 etc. I use the red MOMO, but only because my early model black MOMO's paddle shifter broke after a few weeks (a problem that reportedly has been fixed in later models). I thought that the the wheel and FF of the black MOMO was quite good. All you would need to do is keep your TSW hooked up to the PC, as is, and hook up the MOMO via USB. The only drawback is the physical space taken up by having 2 complete wheel/pedal systems hooked up to the PC at the same time. Bert David Ciemny wrote:

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> "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:IVQMc.38033$[email hidden]... > > It comes and goes. I'd say we are in a dead time right now it seems. The > > fact Act Labs has slowly been dieing for the last year or more shows that > > the market just can't support a lot of producers for the mass market > wheels. > > Logitech pretty much has a lock on that market now and the high end > makers > > like TSW, ECCI, etc get the rest. > > Despite what people here might think the sim racing market is just not > that > > big compared to other PC markets. Just not enough profit for the effort I > > think. Easier to make money selling console games and controllers with > less > > risk. > > > > > > "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:%MQMc.4090$[email hidden]... > > > Hi all..was in a few stores (upstate NY area) yesterday. I am amazed at > > the > > > lack of wheels for pc racing. Only wheel available was the black momo. > > Used > > > to at least have your choice of a logi, ms, thrustmaster. Must be we are > > not > > > that important. > > > > > > DC > > > > > > > > > > > > agreed..it would be nice to get a nice wheel that falls in between the two > levels. I have a tsw but would like a decent ff wheel too. One that is of > good quality with out having to take out a loan to purchase it. > > Oh well... > > DC

David, If you already have a TSW, why not pick up that black MOMO and use it with the TSW peds if you want FF? Most sims now support multiple simultaneous controllers. I've been using my MOMO (red) along with my TSW's peds for years now in sims like GPL, Nascar Racing ( and Heat) , F1C, LFS, NetKar, TOCA Race Driver 2 etc. I use the red MOMO, but only because my early model black MOMO's paddle shifter broke after a few weeks (a problem that reportedly has been fixed in later models). I thought that the the wheel and FF of the black MOMO was quite good. All you would need to do is keep your TSW hooked up to the PC, as is, and hook up the MOMO via USB. The only drawback is the physical space taken up by having 2 complete wheel/pedal systems hooked up to the PC at the same time. Bert

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> > It comes and goes. I'd say we are in a dead time right now it seems. The > > fact Act Labs has slowly been dieing for the last year or more shows that > > the market just can't support a lot of producers for the mass market > wheels. > > Logitech pretty much has a lock on that market now and the high end > makers > > like TSW, ECCI, etc get the rest. > > Despite what people here might think the sim racing market is just not > that > > big compared to other PC markets. Just not enough profit for the effort I > > think. Easier to make money selling console games and controllers with > less > > risk. > > > Hi all..was in a few stores (upstate NY area) yesterday. I am amazed at > > the > > > lack of wheels for pc racing. Only wheel available was the black momo. > > Used > > > to at least have your choice of a logi, ms, thrustmaster. Must be we are > > not > > > that important. > > > DC > agreed..it would be nice to get a nice wheel that falls in between the two > levels. I have a tsw but would like a decent ff wheel too. One that is of > good quality with out having to take out a loan to purchase it. > Oh well... > DC

"BRH @comcast.net>" <"bhoenig<no-spam> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > David, > > If you already have a TSW, why not pick up that black MOMO and use it withthe > TSW peds if you want FF? Most sims now support multiple simultaneous > controllers. I've been using my MOMO (red) along with my TSW's peds foryears > now in sims like GPL, Nascar Racing ( and Heat) , F1C, LFS, NetKar, TOCARace > Driver 2 etc. > > I use the red MOMO, but only because my early model black MOMO's paddleshifter > broke after a few weeks (a problem that reportedly has been fixed in later > models). I thought that the the wheel and FF of the black MOMO was quitegood. > > All you would need to do is keep your TSW hooked up to the PC, as is, andhook > up the MOMO via USB. The only drawback is the physical space taken up byhaving

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> 2 complete wheel/pedal systems hooked up to the PC at the same time. > > Bert > > > > > David Ciemny wrote: > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:IVQMc.38033$[email hidden]... > > > It comes and goes. I'd say we are in a dead time right now it seems.

The > > > fact Act Labs has slowly been dieing for the last year or more showsthat

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> > > the market just can't support a lot of producers for the mass market > > wheels. > > > Logitech pretty much has a lock on that market now and the high end > > makers > > > like TSW, ECCI, etc get the rest. > > > Despite what people here might think the sim racing market is just not > > that > > > big compared to other PC markets. Just not enough profit for the

effort I > > > think. Easier to make money selling console games and controllerswith

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> > less > > > risk. > > > > > > > > > "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:%MQMc.4090$[email hidden]... > > > > Hi all..was in a few stores (upstate NY area) yesterday. I am amazed

at > > > the > > > > lack of wheels for pc racing. Only wheel available was the blackmomo. > > > Used > > > > to at least have your choice of a logi, ms, thrustmaster. Must be weare

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> > > not > > > > that important. > > > > > > > > DC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreed..it would be nice to get a nice wheel that falls in between the

two > > levels. I have a tsw but would like a decent ff wheel too. One that isof > > good quality with out having to take out a loan to purchase it. > > > > Oh well... > > > > DC > Kind of forgot about that. I used to use the tsw pedals with my old red logi. In fact I found a few other wheels to be decent when I tried them but the pedals were always the weakest part of the set up. That's where the tsw pedals would come in handy. I tried the black momo and wasn't all that impressed. Maybe I didn't spend enough time with it (or the settings) happy racing.. DC

"David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%MQMc.4090$[email hidden]... > Hi all..was in a few stores (upstate NY area) yesterday. I am amazed atthe > lack of wheels for pc racing. Only wheel available was the black momo.Used > to at least have your choice of a logi, ms, thrustmaster. Must be we arenot > that important. All the stores here in Florida have several racing wheels. Microsoft and Act Labs are exiting the market, but they still have Logitech, Saitek, and Thrustmaster. There's usually 4-6 wheels at most stores I go to, looking for games. And that's JUST PC wheels.

"David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:gLZMc.959$NV3.18@trndny01... > I tried the black momo and wasn't all that impressed. Maybe I didn't spend > enough time with it (or the settings) I have a black Logitech Momo. The left paddle broke after two years of off-and-on, but heavy, use (every few months I take a break from racing altogether and put the wheel away for a while, and maybe get out my flight stick or gamepad, and I'm always taking the wheel off my desk a few times a day (one of these days if I have money, I will have a dedicated racing PC). I fixed the paddle with some ABS glue and it seems to be working just fine (although it was a little tough to take it apart and put it back together). For 99 dollars I consider it a very good deal. It has a gear drive, but I believe this system is probably far more reliable than a belt drive, even though it will feel a little "notchy", especially when forces aren't acting on the wheel. The feel is also solid, unlike some of the cheaper wheels, and the force feedback can be quite powerful (whereas the little red Logitech FF wheel I have, has very wimpy effects). The pedals also move around very little and the base is nice and large- if you put down some grippy no-slip matting, it doesn't move around at all.

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> > "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:%MQMc.4090$[email hidden]... > > Hi all..was in a few stores (upstate NY area) yesterday. I am amazed at > the > > lack of wheels for pc racing. Only wheel available was the black momo. > Used > > to at least have your choice of a logi, ms, thrustmaster. Must be we are > not > > that important. > > All the stores here in Florida have several racing wheels. Microsoft

and > Act Labs are exiting the market, but they still have Logitech, Saitek, and > Thrustmaster. There's usually 4-6 wheels at most stores I go to, looking > for games. And that's JUST PC wheels. > > I was surprised the thrustmaster was not available. They seem to always have a wheel or two available. Dave

I've used ECCI "tractor" pedals w. the red Logi, and TSW pedals w. the black Momo, and the latter seems far superior to me, both in terms of FF and pedal "feel". You don't HAVE to connect the wheel & pedals as 2 separate devices; you can wire them together (or, rather, I had ECCI wire the former and Thomas Enterprises wire the latter...for a price). "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:gLZMc.959$NV3.18@trndny01... > > "BRH @comcast.net>" <"bhoenig<no-spam> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > David, > > > > If you already have a TSW, why not pick up that black MOMO and use itwith

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> the > > TSW peds if you want FF? Most sims now support multiple simultaneous > > controllers. I've been using my MOMO (red) along with my TSW's peds for > years > > now in sims like GPL, Nascar Racing ( and Heat) , F1C, LFS, NetKar, TOCA > Race > > Driver 2 etc. > > > > I use the red MOMO, but only because my early model black MOMO's paddle > shifter > > broke after a few weeks (a problem that reportedly has been fixed in

later > > models). I thought that the the wheel and FF of the black MOMO wasquite > good. > > > > All you would need to do is keep your TSW hooked up to the PC, as is,and > hook > > up the MOMO via USB. The only drawback is the physical space taken upby

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> having > > 2 complete wheel/pedal systems hooked up to the PC at the same time. > > > > Bert > > > > > > > > > > David Ciemny wrote: > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:IVQMc.38033$[email hidden]... > > > > It comes and goes. I'd say we are in a dead time right now it

seems.

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> The > > > > fact Act Labs has slowly been dieing for the last year or more shows > that > > > > the market just can't support a lot of producers for the mass market > > > wheels. > > > > Logitech pretty much has a lock on that market now and the high end > > > makers > > > > like TSW, ECCI, etc get the rest. > > > > Despite what people here might think the sim racing market is just

not

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> > > that > > > > big compared to other PC markets. Just not enough profit for the > effort I > > > > think. Easier to make money selling console games and controllers > with > > > less > > > > risk. > > > > > > > > > > > > "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:%MQMc.4090$[email hidden]... > > > > > Hi all..was in a few stores (upstate NY area) yesterday. I am

amazed > at > > > > the > > > > > lack of wheels for pc racing. Only wheel available was the black > momo. > > > > Used > > > > > to at least have your choice of a logi, ms, thrustmaster. Must bewe

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> are > > > > not > > > > > that important. > > > > > > > > > > DC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreed..it would be nice to get a nice wheel that falls in between the > two > > > levels. I have a tsw but would like a decent ff wheel too. One that

is

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> of > > > good quality with out having to take out a loan to purchase it. > > > > > > Oh well... > > > > > > DC > > > > Kind of forgot about that. I used to use the tsw pedals with my old red > logi. In fact I found a few other wheels to be decent when I tried them

but > the pedals were always the weakest part of the set up. That's where thetsw

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> pedals would come in handy. > > I tried the black momo and wasn't all that impressed. Maybe I didn't spend > enough time with it (or the settings) > > happy racing.. > > DC > >

"BRH @comcast.net>" <"bhoenig<no-spam> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > David, > > If you already have a TSW, why not pick up that black MOMO and use it withthe > TSW peds if you want FF? Most sims now support multiple simultaneous > controllers. I've been using my MOMO (red) along with my TSW's peds foryears > now in sims like GPL, Nascar Racing ( and Heat) , F1C, LFS, NetKar, TOCARace > Driver 2 etc. > > I use the red MOMO, but only because my early model black MOMO's paddleshifter > broke after a few weeks (a problem that reportedly has been fixed in later > models). I thought that the the wheel and FF of the black MOMO was quitegood. > > All you would need to do is keep your TSW hooked up to the PC, as is, andhook > up the MOMO via USB. The only drawback is the physical space taken up byhaving

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> 2 complete wheel/pedal systems hooked up to the PC at the same time. > > Bert > > > > > David Ciemny wrote: > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:IVQMc.38033$[email hidden]... > > > It comes and goes. I'd say we are in a dead time right now it seems.

The > > > fact Act Labs has slowly been dieing for the last year or more showsthat

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> > > the market just can't support a lot of producers for the mass market > > wheels. > > > Logitech pretty much has a lock on that market now and the high end > > makers > > > like TSW, ECCI, etc get the rest. > > > Despite what people here might think the sim racing market is just not > > that > > > big compared to other PC markets. Just not enough profit for the

effort I > > > think. Easier to make money selling console games and controllerswith

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> > less > > > risk. > > > > > > > > > "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:%MQMc.4090$[email hidden]... > > > > Hi all..was in a few stores (upstate NY area) yesterday. I am amazed

at > > > the > > > > lack of wheels for pc racing. Only wheel available was the blackmomo. > > > Used > > > > to at least have your choice of a logi, ms, thrustmaster. Must be weare

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> > > not > > > > that important. > > > > > > > > DC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreed..it would be nice to get a nice wheel that falls in between the

two > > levels. I have a tsw but would like a decent ff wheel too. One that isof > > good quality with out having to take out a loan to purchase it. > > > > Oh well... > > > > DC > Bert...did exactly what you said. With very good results. Imho my tsw does not work to perfection in xp through the gameport or usb converter (as a whole). The new usb wheels are probably the way to go but for now I will stay with the momo and the tsw pedals. Hats off to papy for allowing their sims to use these configs. Thanks again.. Dave

You're Welcome! Now you have the best of both worlds, relatively cheaply. Decent FF wheel with the peds that you're already used to. I don't know why your TSW "doesn't work to perfection" (your words) in XP, because I have no problem with mine (an original TSW) and XP. Perhaps the pots need cleaning/replacing? Best of Luck with your new set-up.. Bert David Ciemny wrote:

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> "BRH @comcast.net>" <"bhoenig<no-spam> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > David, > > > > If you already have a TSW, why not pick up that black MOMO and use it with > the > > TSW peds if you want FF? Most sims now support multiple simultaneous > > controllers. I've been using my MOMO (red) along with my TSW's peds for > years > > now in sims like GPL, Nascar Racing ( and Heat) , F1C, LFS, NetKar, TOCA > Race > > Driver 2 etc. > > > > I use the red MOMO, but only because my early model black MOMO's paddle > shifter > > broke after a few weeks (a problem that reportedly has been fixed in later > > models). I thought that the the wheel and FF of the black MOMO was quite > good. > > > > All you would need to do is keep your TSW hooked up to the PC, as is, and > hook > > up the MOMO via USB. The only drawback is the physical space taken up by > having > > 2 complete wheel/pedal systems hooked up to the PC at the same time. > > > > Bert > > > > > > > > > > David Ciemny wrote: > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:IVQMc.38033$[email hidden]... > > > > It comes and goes. I'd say we are in a dead time right now it seems. > The > > > > fact Act Labs has slowly been dieing for the last year or more shows > that > > > > the market just can't support a lot of producers for the mass market > > > wheels. > > > > Logitech pretty much has a lock on that market now and the high end > > > makers > > > > like TSW, ECCI, etc get the rest. > > > > Despite what people here might think the sim racing market is just not > > > that > > > > big compared to other PC markets. Just not enough profit for the > effort I > > > > think. Easier to make money selling console games and controllers > with > > > less > > > > risk. > > > > > > > > > > > > "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:%MQMc.4090$[email hidden]... > > > > > Hi all..was in a few stores (upstate NY area) yesterday. I am amazed > at > > > > the > > > > > lack of wheels for pc racing. Only wheel available was the black > momo. > > > > Used > > > > > to at least have your choice of a logi, ms, thrustmaster. Must be we > are > > > > not > > > > > that important. > > > > > > > > > > DC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreed..it would be nice to get a nice wheel that falls in between the > two > > > levels. I have a tsw but would like a decent ff wheel too. One that is > of > > > good quality with out having to take out a loan to purchase it. > > > > > > Oh well... > > > > > > DC > > > > Bert...did exactly what you said. With very good results. Imho my tsw does > not work to perfection in xp through the gameport or usb converter (as a > whole). The new usb wheels are probably the way to go but for now I will > stay with the momo and the tsw pedals. Hats off to papy for allowing their > sims to use these configs. > > Thanks again.. > > Dave

You're Welcome! Now you have the best of both worlds, relatively cheaply. Decent FF wheel with the peds that you're already used to. I don't know why your TSW "doesn't work to perfection" (your words) in XP, because I have no problem with mine (an original TSW) and XP. Perhaps the pots need cleaning/replacing? Best of Luck with your new set-up.. Bert

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> > David, > > If you already have a TSW, why not pick up that black MOMO and use it with > the > > TSW peds if you want FF? Most sims now support multiple simultaneous > > controllers. I've been using my MOMO (red) along with my TSW's peds for > years > > now in sims like GPL, Nascar Racing ( and Heat) , F1C, LFS, NetKar, TOCA > Race > > Driver 2 etc. > > I use the red MOMO, but only because my early model black MOMO's paddle > shifter > > broke after a few weeks (a problem that reportedly has been fixed in later > > models). I thought that the the wheel and FF of the black MOMO was quite > good. > > All you would need to do is keep your TSW hooked up to the PC, as is, and > hook > > up the MOMO via USB. The only drawback is the physical space taken up by > having > > 2 complete wheel/pedal systems hooked up to the PC at the same time. > > Bert > > > > It comes and goes. I'd say we are in a dead time right now it seems. > The > > > > fact Act Labs has slowly been dieing for the last year or more shows > that > > > > the market just can't support a lot of producers for the mass market > > > wheels. > > > > Logitech pretty much has a lock on that market now and the high end > > > makers > > > > like TSW, ECCI, etc get the rest. > > > > Despite what people here might think the sim racing market is just not > > > that > > > > big compared to other PC markets. Just not enough profit for the > effort I > > > > think. Easier to make money selling console games and controllers > with > > > less > > > > risk. > > > > > Hi all..was in a few stores (upstate NY area) yesterday. I am amazed > at > > > > the > > > > > lack of wheels for pc racing. Only wheel available was the black > momo. > > > > Used > > > > > to at least have your choice of a logi, ms, thrustmaster. Must be we > are > > > > not > > > > > that important. > > > > > DC > > > agreed..it would be nice to get a nice wheel that falls in between the > two > > > levels. I have a tsw but would like a decent ff wheel too. One that is > of > > > good quality with out having to take out a loan to purchase it. > > > Oh well... > > > DC > Bert...did exactly what you said. With very good results. Imho my tsw does > not work to perfection in xp through the gameport or usb converter (as a > whole). The new usb wheels are probably the way to go but for now I will > stay with the momo and the tsw pedals. Hats off to papy for allowing their > sims to use these configs. > Thanks again.. > Dave

"BRH @comcast.net>" <"bhoenig<no-spam> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > You're Welcome! Now you have the best of both worlds, relatively cheaply. > Decent FF wheel with the peds that you're already used to. > > I don't know why your TSW "doesn't work to perfection" (your words) in XP, > because I have no problem with mine (an original TSW) and XP. Perhaps thepots

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> need cleaning/replacing? > > Best of Luck with your new set-up.. > > Bert > > > > David Ciemny wrote: > > > "BRH @comcast.net>" <"bhoenig<no-spam> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > David, > > > > > > If you already have a TSW, why not pick up that black MOMO and use it

with > > the > > > TSW peds if you want FF? Most sims now support multiple simultaneous > > > controllers. I've been using my MOMO (red) along with my TSW's pedsfor > > years > > > now in sims like GPL, Nascar Racing ( and Heat) , F1C, LFS, NetKar,TOCA > > Race > > > Driver 2 etc. > > > > > > I use the red MOMO, but only because my early model black MOMO'spaddle > > shifter > > > broke after a few weeks (a problem that reportedly has been fixed inlater > > > models). I thought that the the wheel and FF of the black MOMO wasquite > > good. > > > > > > All you would need to do is keep your TSW hooked up to the PC, as is,and > > hook > > > up the MOMO via USB. The only drawback is the physical space taken upby

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> > having > > > 2 complete wheel/pedal systems hooked up to the PC at the same time. > > > > > > Bert > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David Ciemny wrote: > > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:IVQMc.38033$[email hidden]... > > > > > It comes and goes. I'd say we are in a dead time right now it

seems. > > The > > > > > fact Act Labs has slowly been dieing for the last year or moreshows > > that > > > > > the market just can't support a lot of producers for the massmarket > > > > wheels. > > > > > Logitech pretty much has a lock on that market now and the highend > > > > makers > > > > > like TSW, ECCI, etc get the rest. > > > > > Despite what people here might think the sim racing market is justnot

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> > > > that > > > > > big compared to other PC markets. Just not enough profit for the > > effort I > > > > > think. Easier to make money selling console games and controllers > > with > > > > less > > > > > risk. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:%MQMc.4090$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Hi all..was in a few stores (upstate NY area) yesterday. I am

amazed > > at > > > > > the > > > > > > lack of wheels for pc racing. Only wheel available was the black > > momo. > > > > > Used > > > > > > to at least have your choice of a logi, ms, thrustmaster. Mustbe we

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> > are > > > > > not > > > > > > that important. > > > > > > > > > > > > DC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreed..it would be nice to get a nice wheel that falls in between

the > > two > > > > levels. I have a tsw but would like a decent ff wheel too. One thatis

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> > of > > > > good quality with out having to take out a loan to purchase it. > > > > > > > > Oh well... > > > > > > > > DC > > > > > > > Bert...did exactly what you said. With very good results. Imho my tsw

does > > not work to perfection in xp through the gameport or usb converter (as a > > whole). The new usb wheels are probably the way to go but for now I will > > stay with the momo and the tsw pedals. Hats off to papy for allowingtheir > > sims to use these configs. > > > > Thanks again.. > > > > Dave > Replaced the pots not too long ago. I just think I would get better performance out of a new tsw usb wheel. It still is very precise but didn't seem the same as in windows 98. Decided to give this ff wheel a try in case I decide to send in the tsw for the conversion. Could be just my warped imagination. Thanks for the replies. Dave