NASCAR2 RAM Requirements

This really disgusts me. I seriously doubt that the RAM requirements for the actual game will be lower than the demo, which is just too high at 16 megs of RAM. There is no reason why this product cannot be made to run with 8 megs of RAM. I already need to upgrade my computer's processor, even though it's a Pentium 75mhz. That's going to cost $300. Upgrading RAM will also cost money. Some of us own excellent computers, manufactured in the last YEAR, which are already too weak to run a damn DEMO. Not everyone has hundreds of dollars to play with, after spending thousands on a system. Come on, Papyrus, unless you include a RAM upgrade with NASCAR2, expect a lot of people to be upset if the 16 meg requirement remains. Kirn Cromur

Keep in mind the demo is SVGA only. I'm sure (just like in the original Nascar Racing) the requirements will be lower for VGA. Save an extra $38 dollars (the best price for 8meg SIMMS I've seen recently) and add some RAM to your system. But frankly if you can't afford that upgrade, you shouldn't be buying games in the first place. -- Emory University Graduate School of Arts & Sciences Nascar Setups Page: http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ebusch/

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> This really disgusts me. I seriously doubt that the RAM requirements > for the actual game will be lower than the demo, which is just too > high at 16 megs of RAM. There is no reason why this product cannot be > made to run with 8 megs of RAM. I already need to upgrade my > computer's processor, even though it's a Pentium 75mhz. That's going > to cost $300. Upgrading RAM will also cost money. Some of us own > excellent computers, manufactured in the last YEAR, which are already > too weak to run a damn DEMO. Not everyone has hundreds of dollars to > play with, after spending thousands on a system. Come on, Papyrus, > unless you include a RAM upgrade with NASCAR2, expect a lot of people > to be upset if the 16 meg requirement remains. > Kirn Cromur

Co'mon People. 16 MEGS is entry level now! Stop fussing, the price of RAM is way down and the requirements for computers is higher. Its called evolution. I have a Pentium 120 and it is already outdated! But, I am living with it. Bill

I am definately not disagreeing with you, but if you had to buy RAM, now is a good time to do it. I just bought another 16M of EDO for just over $120. Pretty sad considering I paid around $200 for 4M just about a year ago. I am not sure why NR2 takes that much RAM. I thought that Nascar Racing used most of the RAM for replay caching only. Jon

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> This really disgusts me. I seriously doubt that the RAM requirements > for the actual game will be lower than the demo, which is just too > high at 16 megs of RAM. There is no reason why this product cannot be > made to run with 8 megs of RAM. I already need to upgrade my > computer's processor, even though it's a Pentium 75mhz. That's going > to cost $300. Upgrading RAM will also cost money. Some of us own > excellent computers, manufactured in the last YEAR, which are already > too weak to run a damn DEMO. Not everyone has hundreds of dollars to > play with, after spending thousands on a system. Come on, Papyrus, > unless you include a RAM upgrade with NASCAR2, expect a lot of people > to be upset if the 16 meg requirement remains. > Kirn Cromur

Kirn, In the sim business, realism/fun is proportional to CPU/RAM requirements. Lack of money to upgrade is not the issue here, it is the symptom. It's the byproduct of your not going out and taking control of your own life. Would you be willing to work for what it would cost for a cheap RAM upgrade? Fixed income you say? Hmmmmmm......do folks in your town litter the roadways with aluminum cans? Yes? THEN WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU SITTING THERE READING THIS FOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GET YOUR LAZY TUSH OUT OF THAT CHAIR AND GRAB A FEW TRASH CAN LINERS FROM THE PANTRY, GO OUT AND FILL 'EM UP WITH CANS. AND DON'T COME BACK UNTIL YOU DO!!!!!! CT

: I am not sure why NR2 takes that much RAM. I thought that Nascar Racing : used most of the RAM for replay caching only. I would hazard to guess that the extra memory is needed for the Spotter. All of the sounds will need to be loaded into memory to be ready at a moments notice. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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> This really disgusts me. I seriously doubt that the RAM requirements > for the actual game will be lower than the demo, which is just too > high at 16 megs of RAM. There is no reason why this product cannot be > made to run with 8 megs of RAM. I already need to upgrade my > computer's processor, even though it's a Pentium 75mhz. That's going > to cost $300. Upgrading RAM will also cost money. Some of us own > excellent computers, manufactured in the last YEAR, which are already > too weak to run a damn DEMO. Not everyone has hundreds of dollars to > play with, after spending thousands on a system. Come on, Papyrus, > unless you include a RAM upgrade with NASCAR2, expect a lot of people > to be upset if the 16 meg requirement remains. > Kirn Cromur

Well Kirn, I'm sorry to say guy but, 16 megs is going to be the requirement for most games coming out now. Its been a requirement for alot of games already out. Just be glad that memory is at a record breaking low (about 100 dollars for 16 megs, not too bad). Face it, this is an expensive hobby and if you cant afford to upgrade your going to have to stick with the older games. Papy needs the upgrade capabilities to make better enhanched games for the market. Almost every computer on the market nowadays comes with 16megs. You gota roll wit' da punches my man! -CrazyAce

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>This really disgusts me. I seriously doubt that the RAM requirements >for the actual game will be lower than the demo, which is just too >high at 16 megs of RAM. There is no reason why this product cannot be >made to run with 8 megs of RAM. I already need to upgrade my >computer's processor, even though it's a Pentium 75mhz. That's going >to cost $300. Upgrading RAM will also cost money. Some of us own >excellent computers, manufactured in the last YEAR, which are already >too weak to run a damn DEMO. Not everyone has hundreds of dollars to >play with, after spending thousands on a system. Come on, Papyrus, >unless you include a RAM upgrade with NASCAR2, expect a lot of people >to be upset if the 16 meg requirement remains.

Hi Kim, I know you don't want to hear this, but if you bought a PC in the last year with the intention of playing serious games on it, you made a _big_ mistake in getting a P75 with only 8MB of RAM. You really should have gone for an absolute minimum of a P90 with 16MB. Far from being an "excellent" machine, a P75 (even a year ago) was the chip that Intel were dumping. Whilst the upward spiral in CPU & memory requirements is a little worrying, you can't blame the software writers for going with the requirements that enable them to produce the best sim possible. Richard

Well, there is alot more in this game that requires more memory. The spotter sound and really the main thing is the SVGA UI. We made a decision early on to make the interface look as slick as possible. We have lots of special backgrounds for the different screens. We could have done a VGA UI, but that would have taken twice as long (2 distinct sets of artwork) and meant the interface as a whole wouldn't have looked as good. The addition of the spotter voice also takes alot of memory. We are doing everything we can to get the memory down, but I can say that 8MB won't be enough for the final version. Adam Papyrus

seeing that 16 MB of RAM is now the "de-facto" standard for Windows 95 systems, I don't see why a 16 MB minimum would be a big deal... In fact, I just upgraded from 16 MB to 48 MB, should take care of me for a least a year or so :)

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>This really disgusts me. I seriously doubt that the RAM requirements >for the actual game will be lower than the demo, which is just too >high at 16 megs of RAM. There is no reason why this product cannot be >made to run with 8 megs of RAM. I already need to upgrade my >computer's processor, even though it's a Pentium 75mhz. That's going >to cost $300. Upgrading RAM will also cost money. Some of us own >excellent computers, manufactured in the last YEAR, which are already >too weak to run a damn DEMO. Not everyone has hundreds of dollars to >play with, after spending thousands on a system. Come on, Papyrus, >unless you include a RAM upgrade with NASCAR2, expect a lot of people >to be upset if the 16 meg requirement remains.

Live with it, Kirn! Here's a fact of life: computer's double and sometimes triple themselves in everything in about 2-3 years. today you can buy a PPro 200, and in 2 years, a PPro 200 will probably be bottom of the barrel. When Windows95 came out, 16 MB of RAM became the recommended miniumum, with 8 MB RAM as the BARE minimum. Hopefully you didn't buy a proprietary system (i.e., Packard Bell, Acer, etc, at the risk of starting a war), and you can just go and buy a new chip and/or a motherboard. RAM is cheap - get 8 MB for what, $45 now? I'd suggest you go and grab as much as you can why it's still "cheap*, cuz prices are on the rise! oh, and no matter what you buy today, tomorrow it will be obsolete, it's a fact of life. you can get disgusted, or you can move on with the rest of us.... Go #6 Mark Martin,#16 Ted Musgrave & #99 Jeff Burton - Jack Roush Racing!! NASCAR Racing!! http://camalott.com/~sean/nascar/nascar.htm <--NASCAR Racing Sim page

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> Well Kirn, I'm sorry to say guy but, 16 megs is going to be the >requirement for most games coming out now. Its been a requirement for >alot of games already out. Just be glad that memory is at a record >breaking low (about 100 dollars for 16 megs, not too bad). Face it, this >is an expensive hobby and if you cant afford to upgrade your going to >have to stick with the older games. Papy needs the upgrade capabilities >to make better enhanched games for the market. Almost every computer on >the market nowadays comes with 16megs. You gota roll wit' da punches my >man! -CrazyAce

yeah, and not to mention that if it were a "real" race car, you'd spend all your money on tires, let alone engine and drivetrain parts, and all that other stuff. be thankful that a computer cost less than your average stock race car! so I guess another way to look at it would be "get them tars for my car" or perhaps a new set of gears, or a new cam, or, more ram :) Go #6 Mark Martin,#16 Ted Musgrave & #99 Jeff Burton - Jack Roush Racing!! NASCAR Racing!! http://camalott.com/~sean/nascar/nascar.htm <--NASCAR Racing Sim page

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> > Well Kirn, I'm sorry to say guy but, 16 megs is going to be the > >requirement for most games coming out now. Its been a requirement for > >alot of games already out. Just be glad that memory is at a record > >breaking low (about 100 dollars for 16 megs, not too bad). Face it, this > >is an expensive hobby and if you cant afford to upgrade your going to > >have to stick with the older games. Papy needs the upgrade capabilities > >to make better enhanched games for the market. Almost every computer on > >the market nowadays comes with 16megs. You gota roll wit' da punches my > >man! -CrazyAce > yeah, and not to mention that if it were a "real" race car, you'd > spend all your money on tires, let alone engine and drivetrain parts, > and all that other stuff. be thankful that a computer cost less than > your average stock race car! > so I guess another way to look at it would be "get them tars for my > car" or perhaps a new set of gears, or a new cam, or, more ram :) > Go #6 Mark Martin,#16 Ted Musgrave & #99 Jeff Burton - Jack Roush Racing!! > NASCAR Racing!! > http://camalott.com/~sean/nascar/nascar.htm <--NASCAR Racing Sim page

And don't forget the price of racing fuel. It costs me $4.50 per gallon and I have a 15.5 gallon tank. Luckily it lasts me the whole weekend.

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> Well, there is alot more in this game that requires more memory. The > spotter sound and really the main thing is the SVGA UI. We made a > decision early on to make the interface look as slick as possible. We > have lots of special backgrounds for the different screens. We could have > done a VGA UI, but that would have taken twice as long (2 distinct sets of > artwork) and meant the interface as a whole wouldn't have looked as good. > The addition of the spotter voice also takes alot of memory. We are doing > everything we can to get the memory down, but I can say that 8MB won't be > enough for the final version. > Adam > Papyrus

Hi Adam, I wouldnt worry too much about people ***ing about the memory requirements of N2, with the low prices on RAM now there is no reason not to upgrade. If people dont want to spend a little extra money to do what they should be doing with or without N2, then let them miss out on an incredible sim :)! Trev ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Enterprises Makers of the TSW the best racing controller. http://www.ia.net/~thomas Lifetime warranty. Solid steel construction. -------------------------------------------------------------------------

RAM. Please feel free to design one, and I am sure you and all the other 8 meg people out there will buy it. As for me, I hope they put so many options and other useless pretties in the darn thing that I am forced to sell the wife's car in order to upgrade to a P-6 200mzh with a 16meg video card and 128 megs of ram. Not to mention two or three 2.5 gig hard drives. Go Papy!! Pile in the features. I'll buy at least two copies! Robert