Nascar2 and cyrix

A quick note to Sierra... (not papyrus 'cause let's face it. they're just developers for Sierra) I refuse to buy into the Pentium only frame of mind. I bought my Cyrix P200 to support an alternative to Intel. Also because it performs better. To put code into your games to support only Intel chips is an affront to myself and all the Cyrix users. I wasted an hour and a half of connect time and net bandwith to download a file that I can not use. And I am a registered buyer of ICR, Nascar, ICRII and the track packs. I do not deserve to be treated this way. Actually, all I am asking for is an assurance that the Pentium only code will be removed from the final product. Thank-you in advance.

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> A quick note to Sierra... (not papyrus 'cause let's face it. they're just > developers for Sierra) > I refuse to buy into the Pentium only frame of mind. I bought my Cyrix P200 > to support an alternative to Intel. Also because it performs better. To put > code into your games to support only Intel chips is an affront to myself > and all the Cyrix users. I wasted an hour and a half of connect time and > net bandwith to download a file that I can not use. And I am a registered > buyer of ICR, Nascar, ICRII and the track packs. I do not deserve to be > treated this way. > Actually, all I am asking for is an assurance that the Pentium only code > will be removed from the final product. > Thank-you in advance.

I think you should be asking Cyrix why they sold you a "Pentium class" processor that is not compatible with the Pentium. I doubt even Sierra would intentionally alienate any customers in such a manner. Now if the game has Intel logos on the track billboards, you may have a legitimate ***. Dana Bailes

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> > Actually, all I am asking for is an assurance that the Pentium only code > > will be removed from the final product. > I think you should be asking Cyrix why they sold you a "Pentium class" > processor that is not compatible with the Pentium. I doubt even Sierra > would intentionally alienate any customers in such a manner. Now if the > game has Intel logos on the track billboards, you may have a legitimate > ***.

First of all, see the reply to an earlier message by Adam L...he said they will support the cpu with the final version. Also, the Cyrix cpu is not the problem, it is compatible, its the software that may or may not be. For example, theres a game that uses pentium (tm) optimized code. The programmers write in a line of code trying to make sure the cpu is actually a pentium (tm) before running the optimized version on it ( so it don't like...die ). If said developers ask a Cyrix cpu who it is casually, it will reply that it is a 486 for reaasons of compatibility. Now if those wacky programmer types would ask the Cyrix who it was all serious like, it would ( mine at least does ) reply that it is an "80486-DO CyrixInstead" as opposed to an "80486e IntelInside" ..... You see the difference? :-)

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>Also, the Cyrix cpu is not the problem, it is compatible, its the >software that may or may not be. For example, theres a game that uses >pentium (tm) optimized code. The programmers write in a line of code >trying to make sure the cpu is actually a pentium (tm) before running >the optimized version on it ( so it don't like...die ). If said >developers ask a Cyrix cpu who it is casually, it will reply that it is >a 486 for reaasons of compatibility. >Now if those wacky programmer types would ask the Cyrix who it was all >serious like, it would ( mine at least does ) reply that it is an >"80486-DO CyrixInstead" as opposed to an "80486e IntelInside" ..... You >see the difference? :-)

you just pointed it out yourself... the chip is NOT compatible to Pentium, but to the 486! else, it would answer back, that is a "80586 CyrixInstead". what were the words you used? it will reply that it is a 486 for reasons of compatibility... to spell it out, it's fast as a Pentium, but compatible to a 486, and NOT a 586. ps: don't take that personal or anything, just looks like a fact to me... feel free to discuss it with ya' though! :) Go #6 Mark Martin,#16 Ted Musgrave & #99 Jeff Burton - Jack Roush Racing!! NASCAR Racing!! http://camalott.com/~sean/nascar/nascar.htm <--NASCAR Racing Sim page

The Matrox card to me is proprietary, ala' U.S. Robotics HST Modems and BETAMAX. but it is a good card. never said Cyrix was a BAD processor. I personally think it's great to have cyrix and amd in the mix. however, the facts are the facts. it's not a pentium compatible, it's a 486 compatible. that's all. again, not trashing Cyrix, just stating a point. if someone wants to know why the cyrix doesn't run on pentium only code, they have to remember it's 486 compatible (according to the message I replied to, that is). when the final code runs on 486 systems (and cyrix as well) I'm sure it'll work really fast and do really well. hehehehe.... I'm a Motorola fan, and personally don't care for Intel. personally, that is. what we're talking about here is a compatibility issue. fact: demo is pentium only. fact: cyrix chip is 486 compatible, not pentium common sense observation: 486 compatibles aren't pentium compatibles therefore they won't run pentium only programs. that's all I was saying :) the day when Cyrix cpu's run on the motherboards I want to put them on, I'll get one :)

> you just pointed it out yourself... the chip is NOT compatible to > Pentium, but to the 486! Ahhhh...thats likely to cause some discussion. :-) You're right, it is compatible to a 486 for worst case. But consider this...Why does a 6x86 running at 133 MHz have comparable preformance to a pentium running at 166 MHZ ? Unless Papyrus has discovered something that Cyrix, Intel, Microsoft, or ZD Labs all missed its completely compatible with a pentium. In fact, it has a couple things in there that the pentium pro now has. The only problem is the fpu. I aint got a clue as to why its so much slower than the rest of the cpu, but "SLOW" is a matter of perception...it seems fine to me.

yeah, and the bottom line is that most of the time, it works great!!!! however, like you said, in worst case scenarios... well, this looks pretty bad :> ummm, I really dunno what to tell ya' (btw, I don't hate Cyrix, in fact, I'm GLAD they're around to kick Intel's butt!) hehehe

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> >>Also, the Cyrix cpu is not the problem, it is compatible, its the > >>software that may or may not be. For example, theres a game that uses > >>pentium (tm) optimized code. The programmers write in a line of code > >>trying to make sure the cpu is actually a pentium (tm) before running > >>the optimized version on it ( so it don't like...die ). If said > >>developers ask a Cyrix cpu who it is casually, it will reply that it is > >>a 486 for reaasons of compatibility. > >you just pointed it out yourself... the chip is NOT compatible to > >Pentium, but to the 486! > >else, it would answer back, that is a "80586 CyrixInstead". what were > >the words you used? it will reply that it is a 486 for reasons of > >compatibility... to spell it out, it's fast as a Pentium, but > >compatible to a 486, and NOT a 586. > >ps: don't take that personal or anything, just looks like a fact to > >me... feel free to discuss it with ya' though! :) > >Go #6 Mark Martin,#16 Ted Musgrave & #99 Jeff Burton - Jack Roush Racing!! > >NASCAR Racing!! > >http://camalott.com/~sean/nascar/nascar.htm <--NASCAR Racing Sim page > Glewis, > Try running a matrox enhanced version of nascar on a computer not > running a matrox video card. It wont work huh? Does that mean any > graphics card that wont run matrox optimized code is not compatible > and somehow incompatible? > Maybe try putting 98 octaine fuel in a funnycars tank! Do you think > that would work? Does that mean regular fuel is crap? > I think you can follow me here, why cant you use a little logic > before trashing cyrix? The Nascar 2 demo is very rough and > incomplete, and when Papy releases it a cyrix 166+ will dust every > intel 166 system. Oh yeah and it will be much cheaper too! > If you want to be sold by Intels propoganda and be one of the heard > (bahhhh...) just keep your lemming mentality. > Oh yeah, its not personal it just looks like a fact to me.... ;-) > RacerX > ps. Cyrix owners aint missing much yet. GP2 for all its fault is > really worlds ahead, I wish that Crammond dude could join Papy and > give a few pointers! For that matter I wish Papy could help with the > GP2 game too!! Maybe someday we will get the best of both.

Well put.

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> > you just pointed it out yourself... the chip is NOT compatible to > > Pentium, but to the 486! > Ahhhh...thats likely to cause some discussion. :-) > You're right, it is compatible to a 486 for worst case. But consider > this...Why does a 6x86 running at 133 MHz have comparable preformance to > a pentium running at 166 MHZ ? Unless Papyrus has discovered something > that Cyrix, Intel, Microsoft, or ZD Labs all missed its completely > compatible with a pentium. In fact, it has a couple things in there that > the pentium pro now has. The only problem is the fpu. I aint got a clue > as to why its so much slower than the rest of the cpu, but "SLOW" is a > matter of perception...it seems fine to me.

My brother works for a computer wholesaler and most of his business is for the cyrix line of chip. he generally says "twice the cpu, 1/3 less fpu and a hundred bucks cheaper" works for me. With the hundered bucks go out and buy yourself a better video card.