Estoril bug ?

Anyone else noticed? When exiting turn 4 the game slows down A LOT and you can see cars through the fence(guess thats why the game slows down). It also becomes more difficult to make the car steer through the corner (exiting). This is actually not the only place I noticed these odd cars. Sometimes I can also see cars through the pitlane barrier. For a moment I thought there was a bug in that horrible corner towards the end too. I couldnt belive I had to drive so slow (60 km/h). And the car just wanted to spin off as soon as applied the throttle. I already named it "The Ice-bug". After lots of practicing it has become a little more drivable though : ) Ronny

Hi Ronny: I thought I was the only one racing at Estoril. I hardly ever hear anyone else talk about it. I'm getting the transparent effects you describe at several points of Estoril. I've seen that at another track, can't remember which. I don't notice my P6 slowing down at all. This is the hardest track I've done so far. I started at Germany, which was the next race when F1GP2 came out, so there might be harder ones. That "Ice Bug" corner gave me fits to. I learned it by riding with the computer driven cars. I take the right hand approach near flat out, then *** the binders as I approach that killer left. Once I'm at a speed I believe will do, I maintain that speed, I really concentrate on not attempting to accelerate until I'm out of that left. As I exit that turn I add just a tiny bit more gas and hold that throttle until I get up out of the hole. I steer to the outside of the turn, so my wheels are usually on the outside line as the track gets level. I'm not quite finished with that right, but when the track gets level I find being on the outside of the turn gives the next turns, 8 and 9, a bigger diameter which allows me go go full throttle as I accelerate toward turn 10. After getting acquainted with this corner, I feel it is not a bug. Perhaps we should christen it "Ice ***". I suck as a driver. I drive with the the default setup, no help, and invulnerable. T1 steering wheel/pedal. I'm consistently 10 seconds slower than the posted best times at other tracks. So I'm not telling you how to drive anything, but this is the way I do it. Larry

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> Hi Ronny: > I thought I was the only one racing at Estoril. I hardly ever hear > anyone else talk about it. > I'm getting the transparent effects you describe at several points > of Estoril. I've seen that at another track, can't remember which. I > don't notice my P6 slowing down at all. This is the hardest track I've > done so far. I started at Germany, which was the next race when F1GP2 > came out, so there might be harder ones. > That "Ice Bug" corner gave me fits to. I learned it by riding with > the computer driven cars. I take the right hand approach near flat out, > then *** the binders as I approach that killer left. Once I'm at a > speed I believe will do, I maintain that speed, I really concentrate on > not attempting to accelerate until I'm out of that left. As I exit that > turn I add just a tiny bit more gas and hold that throttle until I get > up out of the hole. I steer to the outside of the turn, so my wheels > are usually on the outside line as the track gets level. I'm not quite > finished with that right, but when the track gets level I find being on > the outside of the turn gives the next turns, 8 and 9, a bigger diameter > which allows me go go full throttle as I accelerate toward turn 10. > After getting acquainted with this corner, I feel it is not a bug. > Perhaps we should christen it "Ice ***". > I suck as a driver. I drive with the the default setup, no help, and > invulnerable. T1 steering wheel/pedal. I'm consistently 10 seconds > slower than the posted best times at other tracks. So I'm not telling > you how to drive anything, but this is the way I do it. > Larry

I think what your seeing is the cars going uphill to turn 7 or 8. Just before the (Ice turn). Remember Estoril is a hilly course. When you come out of turn 4 your pointed uphill, when you come out 6 your going uphill. Turn 5 goes downhill. I know it doesn't seem like it in GP2, up and down doesn't come across very well. I hope that can be fixed. I've noticed this feature on a few of the hilly courses.

|>For a moment I thought there was a bug in that horrible corner towards the end |>too. I couldnt belive I had to drive so slow (60 km/h). And the car just |>wanted to spin off as soon as applied the throttle. I already named it "The |>Ice-bug". After lots of practicing it has become a little more drivable |>though : ) With lots of practise, it is driveable. After a few inboard cameras shots from Estoril Sunday, it is exactly like the real one. The seem to take around 50 Kms with no acceleration at all up to the top. I like to give it a gentle tap on the accelerator as soon as I am straight, then leave it again for the bumpy middle section and gently re-applying gas, short shifting asap to second gear JFD

Sounds like a job for soft suspension, and perhaps a touch more gentle on the old throttle. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Southend, Essex. UK -----------------------------------------------------------------

> I thought I was the only one racing at Estoril. I hardly ever hear >anyone else talk about it. I love Estoril. It's a very technical track with lots of variety, and I think is particularly well modelled in GP2. Me too. Seems to be noticeable in tracks with height variations. No slowdown noticed. This corner appears to be modelled just like the real thing. And don't forget at 50kph they're getting no downforce at this corner. Damon Hill calls the section 'Cadwell Park' in reference to an English track which is just as squirmy. I love the way different levels of grip seem to have been modelled into various parts of the track, which means at this corner the quickest way through it is to be as wide as possible at the entry, do all your braking in a straight line into the corner, then carry speed through the first left while trying to make a straight line of the exit and getting on as much gas as grip allows. Amazing how one can lose a second on this corner by getting the braking point wrong by just a yard. SO annoying! The AI for the other cars is the best ever, but a couple of niggles at Estoril are that the AI cars take a wider, slower line onto the straight which makes overtaking far too easy, and at the end of the straight they brake too heavily and carry little speed into Turn 2. Most odd. Oh, I suck too. But I love F1, and watching the last couple of races have been so enjoyable because I have a good idea of the kind of problems each track brings for the drivers. It's got a little obsessional though: we have Eurosport (Euro Satellite channel) which shows ALL the practise, qualifying and race, ALL live! Plus they have lots of driver interviews, and it's really weird to listen to Jacques grumbling about Turn 4 at Estoril and find myself thinking "Yeah, Jacques, I find just the same problem". With the new F1 standard camera position on top of the cars featuring heavily, it's eerie that the game and the real thing seem to move nearer and nearer to each other. I may have to check myself in for help soon.... I haven't been outdoors for seven weeks. I find Estoril in particular very difficult without F7 traction help, so I use this all the time, along with auto gears (yeah, I know, I'm a wuss!). I use a joystick, and I'm trying to justify buying a T2. I run SVGA, automatic, which gives 17.2 framerate. (P120, ATI 2mb, 20mb) I think it's a shame that the 'slow-motion' cheat (turning on all graphics options) means that comparing times is meaningless unless you know the other guy's not cheating. I like one-on-one 'Best of Three' quickraces over the modem, so e-mail if you're in London and run sub 1.26's in races at Estoril! -- ????????????????????????? Think Clean, Live Clean, Shoot Clean Pinball ????????????????????????? [link lost in import] "Walk softly and carry a megawatt laser"