here's my address again so you can 'copy' it
thanks.
The dog ate mine!
>here's my address again so you can 'copy' it
>thanks.
>The dog ate mine!
Send me $100.00 US, and I'll send you a "copy" that is printed in
color just like the "real" one (that's because it will be the real one
& I'll keep the extra money from your attempt at theft).
Austin, Tx http://www.realtime.net/~indyfan/
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Scott Pruett 1997 PPG Cup Champion!
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>Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 05:24:44 GMT >>here's my address again so you can 'copy' it >>thanks. >>The dog ate mine! >Send me $100.00 US, and I'll send you a "copy" that is printed in >color just like the "real" one (that's because it will be the real one >& I'll keep the extra money from your attempt at theft).>Send me $100.00 US, and I'll send you a "copy" that is printed in
>color just like the "real" one (that's because it will be the real one
>& I'll keep the extra money from your attempt at theft).
Wow, you got a color manual in Austin? I bought two copies of GP2 and both
have b/w manuals. The front cover is color, but that's it. BTW, mine are
first edition, June 1996.
Clark
> >Send me $100.00 US, and I'll send you a "copy" that is printed in
> >color just like the "real" one (that's because it will be the real one
> >& I'll keep the extra money from your attempt at theft).
>Wow, you got a color manual in Austin? I bought two copies of GP2 and both
>have b/w manuals. The front cover is color, but that's it. BTW, mine are
>first edition, June 1996.
That's what I was referring to, the cover.
Austin, Tx http://www.realtime.net/~indyfan/
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Scott Pruett 1997 PPG Cup Champion!
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> >Send me $100.00 US, and I'll send you a "copy" that is printed in
> >color just like the "real" one (that's because it will be the real one
> >& I'll keep the extra money from your attempt at theft).
And we wonder why software needs to cost so much?
It's a shame, software developers work damn hard producing these games
and people think that because the games cost a lot of money that it is
OK to simply rip them off. They don't seem to realize that one of the
main reasons they cost so much is because so few of the people playing
actually paid for it.
While utils like NOCD for GP2 are useful for those of us who are willing
to pay for our hours of entertainment, they do cause a problem in that
piracy becomes possible. A couple a friends swapping games may seem
innocent, but it amounts to nothing more than THEFT. Go to jail,
directly to jail, do not pass go and DO NOT COLLECT GP2.
I thought the manual was colour everywhere. One of the highlights
of the manual was the colour photos of the cars in action. Esp. the
shot of the Ferrari pulling full lock at Monaco.
Jet
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I replied to the text below, I did not write it. Besides, it is just someone
offering to sell their original GP2 manual for US$100. What's wrong with
that?
So much? I don't consider US$36 very much for GP2....
If you mean the photo page facing page 1, no it is in black in both of my
manuals. Only the cover is in color. One copy came from Electronics
Boutique here in Austin on the first day they got it. The other was
pre-ordered from Computer Express and arrived three days later.
Clark
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>> >> >Send me $100.00 US, and I'll send you a "copy" that is printed in >> >color just like the "real" one (that's because it will be the real one >> >& I'll keep the extra money from your attempt at theft). >And we wonder why software needs to cost so much? >It's a shame, software developers work damn hard producing these games >and people think that because the games cost a lot of money that it is >OK to simply rip them off. They don't seem to realize that one of the >main reasons they cost so much is because so few of the people playing >actually paid for it.Quoted text (16 lines)
> >While utils like NOCD for GP2 are useful for those of us who are willing >to pay for our hours of entertainment, they do cause a problem in that >piracy becomes possible. A couple a friends swapping games may seem >innocent, but it amounts to nothing more than THEFT. Go to jail, >directly to jail, do not pass go and DO NOT COLLECT GP2. > >> Wow, you got a color manual in Austin? I bought two copies of GP2 and both >> have b/w manuals. The front cover is color, but that's it. BTW, mine are >> first edition, June 1996. > >I thought the manual was colour everywhere. One of the highlights >of the manual was the colour photos of the cars in action. Esp. the >shot of the Ferrari pulling full lock at Monaco. > >Jet> I thought the manual was colour everywhere. One of the highlights
> of the manual was the colour photos of the cars in action. Esp. the
> shot of the Ferrari pulling full lock at Monaco.
Not in Spain. Only the cover has colour. Inside all is black and white. Furthermore, most of the pics are
visible pixelated (as if badly scanned and poorly processed).
Of course Im talking about the original pack, distributed by Microproses partners in Spain.
What a shame!
By Canci (Nostromo Racing Team)
[snip]
[snip]
The offer was made with a mention of THEFT, and I simple posted my
opinion the software piracy.
Unfortunately, I did not receive the original post, and therefore
followed
up the most recent one following it. If you feel that my comments were
directed at you, and not generic as they were, I apologise for the
misunderstanding. If anything, the comments were applicable to the
person ASKING for the manual, and seeing this as an example of piracy
is not unreasonable. What - the dog ate his manual?
If you are so convinced that software piracy is not a problem, and
does not drive the cost of software up, ask ID software how they feel
about software pirates. I'm a developer of business software, and the
extra hours we need to put in to cover protection of our code DOES
drive the cost up. Are you condoning software theft or just being
apathetic?
Bear in mind that US$36 or A$90 may not seem much, but with less theft
of software it could be lower.
Jet
Nothing.
I've cancelled a previous post, 'cos I guess I lost the plot a bit.
My comments were made generically on the subject of software piracy
which
is something I feel strongly about being a developer myself. They were
not directed at you or anybody (except the original poster after a copy
of the manual). I didn't receive the original post (damn news server)
and followed up the most recent message I could.
If you feel I have directed those comments at you - you misunderstand
what I meant. This is a discussion group - if I had a problem with
something you said specifically, I would send email.
With regard to colour manuals - Australia got the Euro box and manual,
could this make a difference? My manual is filled with colour photos
of real F1 cars on various circuits. Does anyone know if the euro
version of the actual game is any different from the US? The NOCDROM
program supposedly converts the game to a US version even if you are
already running the Euro release.
Jet. (wearing flame proof asbestos underwear :-)
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> The offer was made with a mention of THEFT, and I simple posted my > opinion the software piracy. > Unfortunately, I did not receive the original post, and therefore > followed > up the most recent one following it. If you feel that my comments were > directed at you, and not generic as they were, I apologise for the > misunderstanding. If anything, the comments were applicable to the > person ASKING for the manual, and seeing this as an example of piracy > is not unreasonable. What - the dog ate his manual? > If you are so convinced that software piracy is not a problem, and > does not drive the cost of software up, ask ID software how they feel > about software pirates. I'm a developer of business software, and the > extra hours we need to put in to cover protection of our code DOES > drive the cost up. Are you condoning software theft or just being > apathetic? > Bear in mind that US$36 or A$90 may not seem much, but with less theft > of software it could be lower. > Jet<snipped for brevity>
All of these people talking about the manual prompted me to reach for my own
(well you know the way it is - I just havent gotten around to reading it
yet.. gets in the way of racing<g>)
Suprise, suprise.....my manual is in glorious colour.
Thats C O L O U R ! !
So maybe its a European thing.
On Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:35:34 +1100, Jason Harrison
>And we wonder why software needs to cost so much?
>It's a shame, software developers work damn hard producing these games
>and people think that because the games cost a lot of money that it is
>OK to simply rip them off. They don't seem to realize that one of the
>main reasons they cost so much is because so few of the people playing
>actually paid for it.
No, sorry but I can't agree with this. I agree that software piracy is
a crime and do not condone it, but you're demonstrating a total lack
of reasoning when you believe more ppl buying the game will bring the
price down.
Remember what Professor Adam "Father of Modern Economics" Smith wrote
about in his papers on maket forces and supply/demand.
More ppl buying ----> incresed demand/decreased supply ----->
increased price (and vice versa)
Stop kidding yourself. Software companies will always rip the
consumers off and justify it by saying it's to make up for so called
losses resulting from piracy. 2 wrongs don't make it right. Stop
software companies ripping us off, stop piracy...that makes things
right.
Regards,
Gobbledygook.
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Jon Jeffries, "To study medicine without books
Final Year Med, is to sail an uncharted sea,
Glasgow University, to study medicine with books alone
Scotland. is not to go to sea at all."
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You are correct, I was displaying a lack of reasoning. Piracy just
gets me very irate, and my statements were not clearly thought out.
Software companies are going to *have* to change their tune soon.
If you look at other industries where theft in the form of copying is
common, the solution has been to price things more reasonably.
I agree that stating reducing piracy would reduce prices accordingly
was incorrect. Something to consider is that lowering prices or at
least pricing according to actual value for a user might reduce
piracy *and* prices. For example, book piracy is illegal - Charles
***ens travelled to America in the 1840s for the sole purpose of
complaining about piracy of his literature. Today, the fact that
copying books is illegal is not what limits the crime. It is the fact
that books are reasonably priced and the public gets what is
generally agreed as being value for money. Recording from the
radio is also illegal. But there is no real point because of the
lack of quality and the fact that a CD from the shop costs so little.
I think another major problem in the software industry is the
dicrepancies between prices for various packages. How can
Microsoft charge hundreds for Word, Excel etc and then
give away IE3.0 for free. I have no doubt that the intellectual
property and work that were put in were similar and the value
to a user is entirely subjective...I get more hours use from IE
than from Office.
I guess the point I am trying to make is that while my comparison
of piracy and it's effects of pricing were clearly incorrect, there
*is* a relationship between pricing and theft. It just might need
to work in the other direction.
Jet
