I have to vent somewhere

The coverage of this Pocono race is pathetic. Tony just spun and we watch how many replays, then useless commentary. Then we watch the pit stops then we watch more replays and useless commentary and finally it goes green again. We get to watch 2 green flag laps then a fn commercial. After 3+ minutes of commercial it comes back to yet another yellow flag for debris on the track and we missed the lead change to boot. Jeeeez, the actual race plays second fiddle.. Rinse repeat.... Mitch

"Mitch_A" wrote... > The coverage of this Pocono race is pathetic. > <snip> Put it this way: you've got coverage. Jan. ;-( =---

"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:LzcPc.201111$[email hidden]:

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> "Mitch_A" wrote... >> The coverage of this Pocono race is pathetic. >> <snip> > > Put it this way: you've got coverage. > > Jan. ;-( > =---

I remember growing up in the "Golden Days" of TV coverage. Sometime, well after the actual race, we'd see about 15 minutes of highlights on ABC's Wide World of Sports...but we'd have to wait, often months, for the coverage, and THEN, we'd also have to endure 30 to 40 minutes of Cliff Diving from Acapucalo and World Cup Give Up To Jean-Claude Killy Skiing coverage. I never even knew Nascar raced on Short Tracks til ESPN was invented. The Great Pacific Northwest of the USA is a desert for racing. dave henrie

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> I remember growing up in the "Golden Days" of TV coverage. Sometime, > well after the actual race, we'd see about 15 minutes of highlights on > ABC's Wide World of Sports...but we'd have to wait, often months, for the > coverage, and THEN, we'd also have to endure 30 to 40 minutes of Cliff > Diving from Acapucalo and World Cup Give Up To Jean-Claude Killy Skiing > coverage. > I never even knew Nascar raced on Short Tracks til ESPN was invented.

I remember the ABC thing....however, living up in Canada, we don't have ESPN, so it took us even longer... Dave

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> "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:LzcPc.201111$[email hidden]: > > > "Mitch_A" wrote... > >> The coverage of this Pocono race is pathetic. > >> <snip> > > > > Put it this way: you've got coverage. > > > > Jan. ;-( > > =--- > > I remember growing up in the "Golden Days" of TV coverage. Sometime, > well after the actual race, we'd see about 15 minutes of highlights on > ABC's Wide World of Sports...but we'd have to wait, often months, for the > coverage, and THEN, we'd also have to endure 30 to 40 minutes of Cliff > Diving from Acapucalo and World Cup Give Up To Jean-Claude Killy Skiing > coverage. > I never even knew Nascar raced on Short Tracks til ESPN was invented. > The Great Pacific Northwest of the USA is a desert for racing. > > > dave henrie

The MizLou network was the best, even before ESPN.

"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rYbPc.3196$%[email hidden]... > The coverage of this Pocono race is pathetic. Tony just spun and we watch > how many replays, then useless commentary. Then we watch the pit stopsthen > we watch more replays and useless commentary and finally it goes green > again. We get to watch 2 green flag laps then a fn commercial. After 3+ > minutes of commercial it comes back to yet another yellow flag for debrison

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> the track and we missed the lead change to boot. Jeeeez, the actual race > plays second fiddle.. > > Rinse repeat.... > > Mitch >

I feel for you Mitch. Got NASN here recently. They stay on an in-car shot during what appear to be endless commercials breaks. It spoils the coverage a little over here but it must be a whole lot worse for you guys over there. Regards

Back in the "Golden Days" about the only time even WWoS gave much coverage to motorsports (besides the annual tedium of the Indianapolis 500) was when someone -- or better yet, ABC seemed to think, LOTS of someones -- got killed. One of the earliest GP events I can remember actually getting TV air time was the 1961 Italian GP, when Von Trips and eleven spectators died, and America got its first World Champion. ABC's coverage was FAR less about Phil Hill than it was endless grainy replays of Von Trips caroming off Clark and into the spectator fencing. Even their Indy coverage dwelt on the ghoulish, exemplified by the tragic inferno of 1964 that claimed the veteran Eddie Sachs and the great road racer and Indy first-timer Dave MacDonald. That clip must hold some kind of record for replays. TV is so much more civilized now... Bart Brown Dave Henrie wrote: > I remember growing up in the "Golden Days" of TV coverage. Sometime, > well after the actual race, we'd see about 15 minutes of highlights on > ABC's Wide World of Sports...

Gosh, how I've missed watching cliff diving. Those were the days. Bill

I have to agree with everyone......the old days of racing coverage on TV was either non-existent, or was delayed by weeks before ABC WWoS coverage. I even remember laying on the floor with my mom when I was a kid, and listening to the Indy-500 on the radio......with no TV coverage (even delayed/tapped). But, that was then and this is now! So I have to agree with Mitch that I didn't think today's Pocono coverage was up to par, either! I generally don't watch much past the pre-race and the opening laps, then listen and work in the shop or something.....until the final 50 laps or so! And, that's pretty much what I did today and I still noticed the coverage wasn't very good. What happened to all the in-car cameras? I don't recall very many shots today from them and those are by far the best coverage you can get, especially at a long track like Pocono. I also think the commentary from the main booth isn't up to par with FOX, even though Benny and Wally have a lot of racing experience, so I really don't understand why this is. I also don't like the numerous times TNT uses this, "let's take you through the field" sequence. It's mostly useless information that is old by the time you hear it, and they do it way too often, IMHO. Who cares who is loose and who is tight? Every car on the track is something......and those are the only two choices! And chances are, only the leader at the moment has got a balanced car....and even that's a big "maybe!" I do believe that the Pocono races tend to be somewhat boring......field strung out and not much drafting. Guess what, that's what we used to have at Tally and Tona......and those races now are among the most exciting I get to watch each year now. Maybe the aero package, restrictor plate and limited fuel cells need to be implemented at Pocono too? It sure wouldn't hurt to give it a try to find out. And my last comment: I hate that NASCAR splits up the year between FOX and TNT/NBC! And, this is even worse now that we have a "run-off" for the championship for the last 10 races. Bring back FOX....for the whole year....P.L.E.A.S.E! The CTS race yesterday at Michigan was anything but boring! And the coverage was awesome! Then I remembered, that was a FOX/Speed broadcast team and production crew! Oh yeah, no wonder! Regards, Tom

On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 19:59:19 GMT, "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>The coverage of this Pocono race is pathetic. Tony just spun and we watch >how many replays, then useless commentary. Then we watch the pit stops then >we watch more replays and useless commentary and finally it goes green >again. We get to watch 2 green flag laps then a fn commercial. After 3+ >minutes of commercial it comes back to yet another yellow flag for debris on >the track and we missed the lead change to boot. Jeeeez, the actual race >plays second fiddle..

I totally agree. I guess coverage is better than no coverage, but I can't stand watching the NBC crew . If they would just focus on the great racing that goes on throughout the pack, they wouldn't have to do that lame-ass through-the-field crap. They always focus on some part of the race where nothing's going on and you get moronic commentary from the three (especially BP, who's getting more senile by the minute), and the three guys will engage in some in-depth, but totally uninteresting, discussion about some driver. Total.bunch.of.idiots. I think they're just trying to be the anti-Fox. They just want to do everything differently, regardless of whether or not it's better. I wish Fox could do the whole season. They're not perfect by any means, and Larry Mac can be such a dope, but NBC looks amatuerish compared to Fox.

"Neil Charlton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cejt14$afq$[email hidden]... > > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:rYbPc.3196$%[email hidden]... > > The coverage of this Pocono race is pathetic.<snip>

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> > > > Rinse repeat.... > > > > Mitch > > > > I feel for you Mitch. Got NASN here recently. They stay on an in-car shot > during what appear to be endless commercials breaks. It spoils the

coverage > a little over here but it must be a whole lot worse for you guys overthere. > > Regards > > I would prefer what you have Neil. Sean

Ever notice that each year, Fox carries the first half of the season and NBC carries the second -- even though they alternate coverage of the Daytona 500 in February from year to year? Unfortunately, because Fox has the Major League Baseball broadcast rights they have to cover a lot of late summer/early fall afternoon baseball games during the pennant drives in September, and the playoffs and World Series in October. So there's no way they could broadcast the entire Nascar season. Not to mention that their broadcasts of the NFL on Sunday afternoons starting in September present a direct scheduling conflict with Nascar. NBC only got the late season Nascar rights after they lost the rights to both baseball and football. (Hmm.... Maybe MLB and the NFL knew something that Nascar didn't?) I also prefer Fox's Nascar coverage, but don't expect the situation to change any time soon. Zathras wrote:

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> On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 19:59:19 GMT, "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >The coverage of this Pocono race is pathetic. Tony just spun and we watch > >how many replays, then useless commentary. Then we watch the pit stops then > >we watch more replays and useless commentary and finally it goes green > >again. We get to watch 2 green flag laps then a fn commercial. After 3+ > >minutes of commercial it comes back to yet another yellow flag for debris on > >the track and we missed the lead change to boot. Jeeeez, the actual race > >plays second fiddle.. > > I totally agree. I guess coverage is better than no coverage, but I > can't stand watching the NBC crew . If they would just focus on the > great racing that goes on throughout the pack, they wouldn't have to > do that lame-ass through-the-field crap. They always focus on some > part of the race where nothing's going on and you get moronic > commentary from the three (especially BP, who's getting more senile by > the minute), and the three guys will engage in some in-depth, but > totally uninteresting, discussion about some driver. > Total.bunch.of.idiots. > > I think they're just trying to be the anti-Fox. They just want to do > everything differently, regardless of whether or not it's better. I > wish Fox could do the whole season. They're not perfect by any means, > and Larry Mac can be such a dope, but NBC looks amatuerish compared to > Fox.

Ever notice that each year, Fox carries the first half of the season and NBC carries the second -- even though they alternate coverage of the Daytona 500 in February from year to year? Unfortunately, because Fox has the Major League Baseball broadcast rights they have to cover a lot of late summer/early fall afternoon baseball games during the pennant drives in September, and the playoffs and World Series in October. So there's no way they could broadcast the entire Nascar season. Not to mention that their broadcasts of the NFL on Sunday afternoons starting in September present a direct scheduling conflict with Nascar. NBC only got the late season Nascar rights after they lost the rights to both baseball and football. (Hmm.... Maybe MLB and the NFL knew something that Nascar didn't?) I also prefer Fox's Nascar coverage, but don't expect the situation to change any time soon.

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> >The coverage of this Pocono race is pathetic. Tony just spun and we watch > >how many replays, then useless commentary. Then we watch the pit stops then > >we watch more replays and useless commentary and finally it goes green > >again. We get to watch 2 green flag laps then a fn commercial. After 3+ > >minutes of commercial it comes back to yet another yellow flag for debris on > >the track and we missed the lead change to boot. Jeeeez, the actual race > >plays second fiddle.. > I totally agree. I guess coverage is better than no coverage, but I > can't stand watching the NBC crew . If they would just focus on the > great racing that goes on throughout the pack, they wouldn't have to > do that lame-ass through-the-field crap. They always focus on some > part of the race where nothing's going on and you get moronic > commentary from the three (especially BP, who's getting more senile by > the minute), and the three guys will engage in some in-depth, but > totally uninteresting, discussion about some driver. > Total.bunch.of.idiots. > I think they're just trying to be the anti-Fox. They just want to do > everything differently, regardless of whether or not it's better. I > wish Fox could do the whole season. They're not perfect by any means, > and Larry Mac can be such a dope, but NBC looks amatuerish compared to > Fox.

Get TIVO, you can watch a 5 hour race in about an hour and a half

On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 19:59:19 GMT, "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote: e track and we missed the lead change to boot. Jeeeez, the actual race >plays second fiddle.. > >Rinse repeat.... Why not vent to some people who care? Try rec.autos.sport.nascar . This is SIMULATORS. Or why not NBC? I'm sure they'd love to hear from you.

On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 02:36:31 GMT, "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote: >are the only two choices! And chances are, only the leader at the moment >has got a balanced car....and even that's a big "maybe!" Jimmie Johnson had a balanced race car for almost 1,000 miles at the Pocono track. Now that is amazing. >to watch each year now. Maybe the aero package, restrictor plate and >limited fuel cells need to be implemented at Pocono too? It sure wouldn't >hurt to give it a try to find out. IMHO, restricter plates != real racing. Besides, those turns are way too tight for 3 wide. Every time it went 3 wide, someone had to let off the throttle to avoid an accident. It would be nice to try the small fuel cells on all the speedways for a better chance at having more green-flag pit stops and also reduce fuel-mileage strategy.

It ain't Winston Cup/Fox any more :( -Larry "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rYbPc.3196$%[email hidden]... > The coverage of this Pocono race is pathetic. Tony just spun and we watch > how many replays, then useless commentary. Then we watch the pit stopsthen > we watch more replays and useless commentary and finally it goes green > again. We get to watch 2 green flag laps then a fn commercial. After 3+ > minutes of commercial it comes back to yet another yellow flag for debrison

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> the track and we missed the lead change to boot. Jeeeez, the actual race > plays second fiddle.. > > Rinse repeat.... > > Mitch > >

I thought I'd get TrackPass to get more out of the race. For me, it's been a waste of time and I'm cancelling before the 14 day trial is up. It's WAY behind the live action (8-12 seconds). Plus to use it you really have to watch the race live, which is a problem for me because I like to let it Tivo for an hour then start watching. You can figure out why. Finally, it requires RealPlayer, and I can't think of a company I despise more. -Larry "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rYbPc.3196$%[email hidden]... > The coverage of this Pocono race is pathetic. Tony just spun and we watch > how many replays, then useless commentary. Then we watch the pit stopsthen > we watch more replays and useless commentary and finally it goes green > again. We get to watch 2 green flag laps then a fn commercial. After 3+ > minutes of commercial it comes back to yet another yellow flag for debrison

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> the track and we missed the lead change to boot. Jeeeez, the actual race > plays second fiddle.. > > Rinse repeat.... > > Mitch > >

SURE they can. They have two channels to get it done on. Three if you include Speed. -Larry "BRH @comcast.net>" <"bhoenig<no-spam> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Ever notice that each year, Fox carries the first half of the season andNBC > carries the second -- even though they alternate coverage of the Daytona500 in > February from year to year? > > Unfortunately, because Fox has the Major League Baseball broadcast rightsthey > have to cover a lot of late summer/early fall afternoon baseball gamesduring the > pennant drives in September, and the playoffs and World Series in October.So > there's no way they could broadcast the entire Nascar season. Not tomention > that their broadcasts of the NFL on Sunday afternoons starting inSeptember > present a direct scheduling conflict with Nascar. > > NBC only got the late season Nascar rights after they lost the rights toboth > baseball and football. (Hmm.... Maybe MLB and the NFL knew something thatNascar > didn't?) > > I also prefer Fox's Nascar coverage, but don't expect the situation tochange any

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> time soon. > > > > Zathras wrote: > > > On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 19:59:19 GMT, "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> > > wrote: > > > > >The coverage of this Pocono race is pathetic. Tony just spun and we

watch > > >how many replays, then useless commentary. Then we watch the pit stopsthen > > >we watch more replays and useless commentary and finally it goes green > > >again. We get to watch 2 green flag laps then a fn commercial. After3+ > > >minutes of commercial it comes back to yet another yellow flag fordebris on > > >the track and we missed the lead change to boot. Jeeeez, the actualrace

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> > >plays second fiddle.. > > > > I totally agree. I guess coverage is better than no coverage, but I > > can't stand watching the NBC crew . If they would just focus on the > > great racing that goes on throughout the pack, they wouldn't have to > > do that lame-ass through-the-field crap. They always focus on some > > part of the race where nothing's going on and you get moronic > > commentary from the three (especially BP, who's getting more senile by > > the minute), and the three guys will engage in some in-depth, but > > totally uninteresting, discussion about some driver. > > Total.bunch.of.idiots. > > > > I think they're just trying to be the anti-Fox. They just want to do > > everything differently, regardless of whether or not it's better. I > > wish Fox could do the whole season. They're not perfect by any means, > > and Larry Mac can be such a dope, but NBC looks amatuerish compared to > > Fox. >

Yessir! -Larry "PC24" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Get TIVO, you can watch a 5 hour race in about an hour and a half

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