OT: Amazing car chase

I apologize for posting off-topic, however, it does relate to cars. This is an amazing police chase! Make sure that your sound is on when you go to this news link: http://kimmershow.com/SupportFiles/Scripts/FileTamer.asp?FileID=1357 Tim

"Tim Paullin" wrote... > I apologize for posting off-topic, however, it does > relate to cars. This is an amazing police chase! > <snip> Nice catches, but he pushed his luck just that bit too far. Jan. =---

"Tim Paullin" <[email hidden]> wrote: | I apologize for posting off-topic, however, it does relate to cars. This is | an amazing police chase! Make sure that your sound is on when you go to this | news link: | | http://kimmershow.com/SupportFiles/Scripts/FileTamer.asp?FileID=1357 Is this the video of the mustang that spins three times, recovering each time?

yep its the mustang one Neil "Brent Burton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Tim Paullin" <[email hidden]> wrote: > | I apologize for posting off-topic, however, it does relate to cars. Thisis > | an amazing police chase! Make sure that your sound is on when you go tothis

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> | news link: > | > | http://kimmershow.com/SupportFiles/Scripts/FileTamer.asp?FileID=1357 > > Is this the video of the mustang that spins three times, recovering > each time? >

I have to wonder about employing such a risky technique in traffic (purposely spinning the car ?), On the first spin, the car very nearly hit an oncoming car in the other lane. That would have been ugly! "Tim Paullin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cem53j$9r6$[email hidden]... > I apologize for posting off-topic, however, it does relate to cars. Thisis > an amazing police chase! Make sure that your sound is on when you go tothis

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> news link: > > http://kimmershow.com/SupportFiles/Scripts/FileTamer.asp?FileID=1357 > > Tim > > >

He probably had a taillight out or something. The cops think it's nothing to risk killing innocent civilians if a "suspect" doesn't immediately start bowing and scraping and licking their boots. "John Cauthen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cemk2l$df2c$[email hidden]... > I have to wonder about employing such a risky technique in traffic > (purposely spinning the car ?), On the first spin, the car very nearlyhit

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> an oncoming car in the other lane. That would have been ugly! > > "Tim Paullin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:cem53j$9r6$[email hidden]... > > I apologize for posting off-topic, however, it does relate to cars. This > is > > an amazing police chase! Make sure that your sound is on when you go to > this > > news link: > > > > http://kimmershow.com/SupportFiles/Scripts/FileTamer.asp?FileID=1357 > > > > Tim > > > > > > > >

Thats one of the most ridiculous statements I've seen. So, lets use the tallight argument. Why'd he run then ? Most wanted felons are caught exactly that way; light out, not using a turn signal, etc. Steve Smith <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sbBPc.96623$[email hidden]... > He probably had a taillight out or something. The cops think it's nothing > to risk killing innocent civilians if a "suspect" doesn't immediatelystart

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> bowing and scraping and licking their boots. > > "John Cauthen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:cemk2l$df2c$[email hidden]... > > I have to wonder about employing such a risky technique in traffic > > (purposely spinning the car ?), On the first spin, the car very nearly > hit > > an oncoming car in the other lane. That would have been ugly! > > > > "Tim Paullin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:cem53j$9r6$[email hidden]... > > > I apologize for posting off-topic, however, it does relate to cars.

This > > is > > > an amazing police chase! Make sure that your sound is on when you goto

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> > this > > > news link: > > > > > > http://kimmershow.com/SupportFiles/Scripts/FileTamer.asp?FileID=1357 > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Thats one of the most ridiculous statements I've seen. So, lets use the tallight argument. Why'd he run then ? Most wanted felons are caught exactly that way; light out, not using a turn signal, etc. > He probably had a taillight out or something. The cops think it's nothing > to risk killing innocent civilians if a "suspect" doesn't immediately start

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> bowing and scraping and***ing their boots. > > I have to wonder about employing such a risky technique in traffic > > (purposely spinning the car ?), On the first spin, the car very nearly > hit > > an oncoming car in the other lane. That would have been ugly! > > > I apologize for posting off-topic, however, it does relate to cars.

This > > is > > > an amazing police chase! Make sure that your sound is on when you go to > > this > > > news link: > > > [link lost in import] > > > Tim

It was actually a reported Stollen car. That is why the Cops were trying to pull him over Darf "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sbBPc.96623$[email hidden]... > He probably had a taillight out or something. The cops think it's nothing > to risk killing innocent civilians if a "suspect" doesn't immediatelystart > bowing and scraping and licking their boots.

Yep. I always get a kick out of so many times on the net, someone posts a clip of incident x, and everyone jumps to criticizing, without having been there, knowing the full story, etc. From an *edited* (usually for effect) tv clip, everyones an expert on how things should have been handled, on whatever the clips subject is. Darf <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:410eed9a$0$18672$[email hidden]... > It was actually a reported Stollen car. That is why the Cops were tryingto

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> pull him over > > > Darf > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:sbBPc.96623$[email hidden]... > > He probably had a taillight out or something. The cops think it's

nothing > > to risk killing innocent civilians if a "suspect" doesn't immediately > start > > bowing and scraping and licking their boots. > >

"JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:xbCPc.227$[email hidden]:

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> Yep. I always get a kick out of so many times on the net, someone > posts a > clip of incident x, and everyone jumps to criticizing, without having > been there, knowing the full story, etc. > > From an *edited* (usually for effect) tv clip, everyones an expert > on how > things should have been handled, on whatever the clips subject is. >

Well, I AM an expert...cuz I SAY so. You run, you should have a harpoon fired up your tailpipe. Quit this chase ninny stuff...just get behind, lockon and rip the guy a new....cavity. dave henrie (I76 anyone?)

Now you're thinking logically Dave... this localize the damage to the felon's car, and not the oncoming traffic! :-) "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:xbCPc.227$[email hidden]: > > > Yep. I always get a kick out of so many times on the net, someone > > posts a > > clip of incident x, and everyone jumps to criticizing, without having > > been there, knowing the full story, etc. > > > > From an *edited* (usually for effect) tv clip, everyones an expert > > on how > > things should have been handled, on whatever the clips subject is. > > > Well, I AM an expert...cuz I SAY so. You run, you should have a > harpoon fired up your tailpipe. Quit this chase ninny stuff...just get > behind, lockon and rip the guy a new....cavity. > > dave henrie > (I76 anyone?) >

Darf, I'm not saying the police weren't justified in trying to stop the guy; I just thought the method used was a bit risky. He was a danger to all the traffic on the road at that rate of speed and he had to be stopped. I still wonder if there isn't a better way than spinning the car out and risk having it go head-on into the other lane. Now if the police had been able to block the oncoming traffic well ahead of the car before tapping him.... yeah, I'd say it was kosher. It's easy to armchair this incident now. In defense of the police, they didn't have the luxury of plotting and moving resources in the time they had, most likely. I wonder if it might not be best to just back off in a situation like this, and let the driver sense that he's no longer being pursued. At least he might slow down. Heck, they had him tracked by helicopter. It's not like he could have gone on forever, they could have grabbed him when the gas tank emptied. "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xbCPc.227$[email hidden]... > Yep. I always get a kick out of so many times on the net, someone postsa > clip of incident x, and everyone jumps to criticizing, without having been > there, knowing the full story, etc. > > From an *edited* (usually for effect) tv clip, everyones an expert onhow

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> things should have been handled, on whatever the clips subject is. > > > Darf <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:410eed9a$0$18672$[email hidden]... > > It was actually a reported Stollen car. That is why the Cops were trying > to > > pull him over > > > > > > Darf > > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:sbBPc.96623$[email hidden]... > > > He probably had a taillight out or something. The cops think it's > nothing > > > to risk killing innocent civilians if a "suspect" doesn't immediately > > start > > > bowing and scraping and licking their boots. > > > > > >

fuck the police "John Cauthen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cen9je$doj1$[email hidden]... > Darf, > > I'm not saying the police weren't justified in trying to stop the guy; I > just thought the method used was a bit risky. He was a danger to all the > traffic on the road at that rate of speed and he had to be stopped. Istill > wonder if there isn't a better way than spinning the car out and riskhaving > it go head-on into the other lane. Now if the police had been able toblock > the oncoming traffic well ahead of the car before tapping him.... yeah,I'd

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> say it was kosher. > > It's easy to armchair this incident now. In defense of the police, they > didn't have the luxury of plotting and moving resources in the time they > had, most likely. I wonder if it might not be best to just back off in a > situation like this, and let the driver sense that he's no longer being > pursued. At least he might slow down. Heck, they had him tracked by > helicopter. It's not like he could have gone on forever, they could have > grabbed him when the gas tank emptied. > > "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:xbCPc.227$[email hidden]... > > Yep. I always get a kick out of so many times on the net, someone

posts > a > > clip of incident x, and everyone jumps to criticizing, without havingbeen

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> > there, knowing the full story, etc. > > > > From an *edited* (usually for effect) tv clip, everyones an expert on > how > > things should have been handled, on whatever the clips subject is. > > > > > > Darf <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:410eed9a$0$18672$[email hidden]... > > > It was actually a reported Stollen car. That is why the Cops were

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> > to > > > pull him over > > > > > > > > > Darf > > > > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:sbBPc.96623$[email hidden]... > > > > He probably had a taillight out or something. The cops think it's > > nothing > > > > to risk killing innocent civilians if a "suspect" doesn't

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That's right. It's more important that the cops get back a hunk of rolling steel. If some innocent people (especially children---they haven't been around very long, so they are of little value) get mangled or killed, so what? That steel is definitely worth a few body bags. The cops get off on those completely unnecessary chases. David G Fisher "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xbCPc.227$[email hidden]... > Yep. I always get a kick out of so many times on the net, someone postsa > clip of incident x, and everyone jumps to criticizing, without having been > there, knowing the full story, etc. > > From an *edited* (usually for effect) tv clip, everyones an expert onhow

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> things should have been handled, on whatever the clips subject is. > > > Darf <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:410eed9a$0$18672$[email hidden]... > > It was actually a reported Stollen car. That is why the Cops were trying > to > > pull him over > > > > > > Darf > > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:sbBPc.96623$[email hidden]... > > > He probably had a taillight out or something. The cops think it's > nothing > > > to risk killing innocent civilians if a "suspect" doesn't immediately > > start > > > bowing and scraping and licking their boots. > > > > > >

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> That's right. It's more important that the cops get back a hunk of rolling > steel. If some innocent people (especially children---they haven't been > around very long, so they are of little value) get mangled or killed, so > what? That steel is definitely worth a few body bags. > > The cops get off on those completely unnecessary chases. > > David G Fisher > >

Considering there was a helicopter following the whole thing, what was the point? You're certainly not going to outrun a helicopter. Stephen ------------ And now a word from our sponsor --------------------- For a secure high performance FTP using SSL/TLS encryption upgrade to SurgeFTP ---- See http://netwinsite.com/sponsor/sponsor_surgeftp.htm ----

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> That's right. It's more important that the cops get back a hunk of rolling > steel. If some innocent people (especially children---they haven't been > around very long, so they are of little value) get mangled or killed, so > what? That steel is definitely worth a few body bags. > > The cops get off on those completely unnecessary chases. > > David G Fisher >

The cops weren't putting anyone at risk. It was the criminal, thief, scumbag that was putting innocent civilians at risk of injury and death. I'd prefer if the cops would just put a bullet in the guys head and spare us all the expense.

Cops don't kill people; it's the criminals they're chasing who put the populace at risk? Or is it guns don't kill people, it's the people who are chasing the people who use guns who kill people? IOW, how many cops can dance on the head of a perp? Cops are trained never to use their puny little 9mm Glocks unless there is a clear and imminent threat to human life, and even then they have to hold their fire if there is *any* danger of hitting an innocent bystander. OTOH, it's perfectly alright to chase some jacked-up nut-job in a 3,000-lb. car (or, more frequently, pickup truck) thru a heavily traveled civilian concours with several jacked-up, half-trained cops in 4,000-lb. cruisers. I've seen them do this even when there were kids in the vehicle being chased. The cops get off on this sport because they get off on violence. Why else join the force? "Internet User" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > David G Fisher wrote: > > That's right. It's more important that the cops get back a hunk ofrolling

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> > steel. If some innocent people (especially children---they haven't been > > around very long, so they are of little value) get mangled or killed, so > > what? That steel is definitely worth a few body bags. > > > > The cops get off on those completely unnecessary chases. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > The cops weren't putting anyone at risk. It was the criminal, thief, > scumbag that was putting innocent civilians at risk of injury and death. > I'd prefer if the cops would just put a bullet in the guys head and > spare us all the expense.

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:xbCPc.227$[email hidden]: > > > Yep. I always get a kick out of so many times on the net, someone > > posts a > > clip of incident x, and everyone jumps to criticizing, without having > > been there, knowing the full story, etc. > > > > From an *edited* (usually for effect) tv clip, everyones an expert > > on how > > things should have been handled, on whatever the clips subject is. > > > Well, I AM an expert...cuz I SAY so. You run, you should have a > harpoon fired up your tailpipe. Quit this chase ninny stuff...just get > behind, lockon and rip the guy a new....cavity. >

LOL! How about a localized EMP? Hit the car with enough current somehow to kill the electrical, and it won't go much farther down the road.

Eggzackly - I'm surprised the Big Brains in the military don't have EMF zappers online yet. Here: http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/08/02/directedenergyweapons.ap/ "SimRacer" <nospam@[email hidden]> wrote in message news:v6OPc.185832$[email hidden]...

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> > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in > > news:xbCPc.227$[email hidden]: > > > > > Yep. I always get a kick out of so many times on the net, someone > > > posts a > > > clip of incident x, and everyone jumps to criticizing, without having > > > been there, knowing the full story, etc. > > > > > > From an *edited* (usually for effect) tv clip, everyones an expert > > > on how > > > things should have been handled, on whatever the clips subject is. > > > > > Well, I AM an expert...cuz I SAY so. You run, you should have a > > harpoon fired up your tailpipe. Quit this chase ninny stuff...just get > > behind, lockon and rip the guy a new....cavity. > > > > > LOL! How about a localized EMP? Hit the car with enough current somehow to > kill the electrical, and it won't go much farther down the road. > >

"fredrickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dhHPc.1244$[email hidden]... > fuck the police >and, fuck the criminals... Now what ?

Dude, What a whack, I bet you Da man around your hoodz... Exhale once in a while... and think. Steve Smith wrote: > > > The cops get off on this sport because they get off on violence. Why > else join the force? >

Dude, What a whack, I bet you Da man around your hoodz... Exhale once in a while... and think. > The cops get off on this sport because they get off on ***. Why > else join the force?

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> That's right. It's more important that the cops get back a hunk of rolling > steel. If some innocent people (especially children---they haven't been > around very long, so they are of little value) get mangled or killed, so > what? That steel is definitely worth a few body bags. > > The cops get off on those completely unnecessary chases. >

And you wouldn't ? Who do you think joins the police force/army/FBI etc ? Not liberal thinking do-gooders, that's for sure.

>I have to wonder about employing such a risky technique in traffic >(purposely spinning the car ?), On the first spin, the car very nearly hit >an oncoming car in the other lane. That would have been ugly! I wondered about that as well. That seemed like a lawsuit wating to happen... Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

>LOL! How about a localized EMP? Hit the car with enough current somehow to >kill the electrical, and it won't go much farther down the road. I've seen reports of such testing. First, it's hard to get a 'delivery method' that works reliably. Second, most cars lose power steering and brakes when the engine dies. Now you're risking the loss of control of the target vehicle that also endangers others. Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

> The cops get off on this sport because they get off on violence. Why else > join the force? Spare me. Excitement. Action . Adventure. The thought that maybe they can contribute to society. But to generalize and say they get off on violence is idiotic. You must have some beef against all police.

Spare me. E***ment. Action . Adventure. The thought that maybe they can contribute to society. But to generalize and say they get off on *** is idiotic. You must have some beef against all police.

>I'm not saying the police weren't justified in trying to stop the guy; I >just thought the method used was a bit risky. He was a danger to all the >traffic on the road at that rate of speed and he had to be stopped. I still >wonder if there isn't a better way than spinning the car out and risk having >it go head-on into the other lane. To me, it appeared that there was a center barrier. So the oncoming traffic wouldn't have been in much danger. Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

>The cops get off on this sport because they get off on violence. Why else >join the force? To protect and serve. I refuse to let the few bad apples color my view of every cop in the country... Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

Darf wrote: > It was actually a reported Stollen car. That is why the Cops were > trying to pull him over > I bet the owner was happy to get his car back after that treatment.... -- Jone Tytlandsvik http://tytlandsvik.no

How do you know it was unnecessary ? Can you prove that ? Say the guy had a gun and just popped off at some cops and/or public before this clip started and the cops took chase ? Say he just ran a minivan full of kids into a wall before this clip started, and then the cops took chase ? You have NO idea about the full story. Neither do I, but then I'm not jumping off on some tangent either. David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> That's right. It's more important that the cops get back a hunk of rolling > steel. If some innocent people (especially children---they haven't been > around very long, so they are of little value) get mangled or killed, so > what? That steel is definitely worth a few body bags. > > The cops get off on those completely unnecessary chases. > > David G Fisher > > > "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:xbCPc.227$[email hidden]... > > Yep. I always get a kick out of so many times on the net, someone

posts > a > > clip of incident x, and everyone jumps to criticizing, without havingbeen

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> > there, knowing the full story, etc. > > > > From an *edited* (usually for effect) tv clip, everyones an expert on > how > > things should have been handled, on whatever the clips subject is. > > > > > > Darf <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:410eed9a$0$18672$[email hidden]... > > > It was actually a reported Stollen car. That is why the Cops were

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> > to > > > pull him over > > > > > > > > > Darf > > > > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:sbBPc.96623$[email hidden]... > > > > He probably had a taillight out or something. The cops think it's > > nothing > > > > to risk killing innocent civilians if a "suspect" doesn't

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And open wheel sim racers are all limp wristed fruitcakes. There, now we both have posted ridiculous generalizations. Stick to something you know about. Steve Smith <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:CRNPc.85559$[email hidden]... > Cops don't kill people; it's the criminals they're chasing who put the > populace at risk? Or is it guns don't kill people, it's the people whoare > chasing the people who use guns who kill people? IOW, how many cops can > dance on the head of a perp? > > Cops are trained never to use their puny little 9mm Glocks unless there isa > clear and imminent threat to human life, and even then they have to hold > their fire if there is *any* danger of hitting an innocent bystander.OTOH,

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> it's perfectly alright to chase some jacked-up nut-job in a 3,000-lb. car > (or, more frequently, pickup truck) thru a heavily traveled civilian > concours with several jacked-up, half-trained cops in 4,000-lb. cruisers. > I've seen them do this even when there were kids in the vehicle being > chased. > > The cops get off on this sport because they get off on violence. Why else > join the force? > > "Internet User" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > David G Fisher wrote: > > > That's right. It's more important that the cops get back a hunk of > rolling > > > steel. If some innocent people (especially children---they haven't

been > > > around very long, so they are of little value) get mangled or killed,so

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> > > what? That steel is definitely worth a few body bags. > > > > > > The cops get off on those completely unnecessary chases. > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > The cops weren't putting anyone at risk. It was the criminal, thief, > > scumbag that was putting innocent civilians at risk of injury and death. > > I'd prefer if the cops would just put a bullet in the guys head and > > spare us all the expense. > >

It really doesn't matter what the details of that particular chase are. We are really discussing the bigger issue of police chases, and in case you haven't watched the news in the past couple of years, it has something that people are concerned about. People have gotten killed for nothing. In communities around the U.S., cops are being forbidden to chase cars except under strict circumstances, and sometimes under no circumstances at all. Why? Because of what some of us in this thread are talking about. Innocent people have gotten killed or mutilated when cops go crazy chasing someone who's often committed a non-violent crime. Stealing a car is a shitty thing to do, you and I would love to kick their ass for doing so, but you don't kill innocent bystanders in order to retrieve a fucking chunk of metal. It's a stupid, neanderthal approach to the problem. And yes, the cops do get off on those chases. David G Fisher "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vZTPc.27$[email hidden]... > How do you know it was unnecessary ? Can you prove that ? > > Say the guy had a gun and just popped off at some cops and/or public > before this clip started and the cops took chase ? Say he just ran a > minivan full of kids into a wall before this clip started, and then thecops

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> took chase ? > > You have NO idea about the full story. Neither do I, but then I'm not > jumping off on some tangent either. > > > David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > That's right. It's more important that the cops get back a hunk of

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> > steel. If some innocent people (especially children---they haven't been > > around very long, so they are of little value) get mangled or killed, so > > what? That steel is definitely worth a few body bags. > > > > The cops get off on those completely unnecessary chases. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:xbCPc.227$[email hidden]... > > > Yep. I always get a kick out of so many times on the net, someone > posts > > a > > > clip of incident x, and everyone jumps to criticizing, without having > been > > > there, knowing the full story, etc. > > > > > > From an *edited* (usually for effect) tv clip, everyones an expert

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> > how > > > things should have been handled, on whatever the clips subject is. > > > > > > > > > Darf <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:410eed9a$0$18672$[email hidden]... > > > > It was actually a reported Stollen car. That is why the Cops were > trying > > > to > > > > pull him over > > > > > > > > > > > > Darf > > > > > > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:sbBPc.96623$[email hidden]... > > > > > He probably had a taillight out or something. The cops think it's > > > nothing > > > > > to risk killing innocent civilians if a "suspect" doesn't > immediately > > > > start > > > > > bowing and scraping and licking their boots. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

All cops undergo psychiatric evaluations and intelligence tests before they get a badge. Without ever having read the studies of the results of those tests, when I was 13, I could of told you what kind of person usually becomes a cop. Very, very easy thing to do. For many of them, it doesn't have much to do with wanting to protect and serve. Do some research and you'll find out what type of person joins the police force. -- David G Fisher "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >The cops get off on this sport because they get off on violence. Why else > >join the force? > > To protect and serve. I refuse to let the few bad apples color my view of > every cop in the country... > > Eldred > -- > http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Screamers League > IICC League > GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 > Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 > Hist. +82.34 MoH:na > N2k3 rank:in progress > Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin > Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro > US East

The even bigger issue should be the lawmakers and the many moronic, hypocritical and most importantly un-enforceable laws on the books of every local, county, state and federal government. Cops are put in a situation where they interpret instead of enforce. Where is Andy Griffith and Barney when ya need em ;) Mitch "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > It really doesn't matter what the details of that particular chase are. We > are really discussing the bigger issue of police chases, and in case you > haven't watched the news in the past couple of years, it has somethingthat > people are concerned about. People have gotten killed for nothing. In > communities around the U.S., cops are being forbidden to chase cars except > under strict circumstances, and sometimes under no circumstances at all. > Why? Because of what some of us in this thread are talking about. Innocent > people have gotten killed or mutilated when cops go crazy chasing someone > who's often committed a non-violent crime. Stealing a car is a shittything > to do, you and I would love to kick their ass for doing so, but you don't > kill innocent bystanders in order to retrieve a fucking chunk of metal.It's

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> a stupid, neanderthal approach to the problem. > > And yes, the cops do get off on those chases. > > David G Fisher > > > "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:vZTPc.27$[email hidden]... > > How do you know it was unnecessary ? Can you prove that ? > > > > Say the guy had a gun and just popped off at some cops and/or public > > before this clip started and the cops took chase ? Say he just ran a > > minivan full of kids into a wall before this clip started, and then the > cops > > took chase ? > > > > You have NO idea about the full story. Neither do I, but then I'm not > > jumping off on some tangent either. > > > > > > David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > That's right. It's more important that the cops get back a hunk of > rolling > > > steel. If some innocent people (especially children---they haven't

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> > > what? That steel is definitely worth a few body bags. > > > > > > The cops get off on those completely unnecessary chases. > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:xbCPc.227$[email hidden]... > > > > Yep. I always get a kick out of so many times on the net, someone > > posts > > > a > > > > clip of incident x, and everyone jumps to criticizing, without

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> > been > > > > there, knowing the full story, etc. > > > > > > > > From an *edited* (usually for effect) tv clip, everyones an expert > on > > > how > > > > things should have been handled, on whatever the clips subject is. > > > > > > > > > > > > Darf <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:410eed9a$0$18672$[email hidden]... > > > > > It was actually a reported Stollen car. That is why the Cops were > > trying > > > > to > > > > > pull him over > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Darf > > > > > > > > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:sbBPc.96623$[email hidden]... > > > > > > He probably had a taillight out or something. The cops think

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And your proof that this chase is one of your examples below is where again ? David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > It really doesn't matter what the details of that particular chase are. We > are really discussing the bigger issue of police chases, and in case you > haven't watched the news in the past couple of years, it has somethingthat > people are concerned about. People have gotten killed for nothing. In > communities around the U.S., cops are being forbidden to chase cars except > under strict circumstances, and sometimes under no circumstances at all. > Why? Because of what some of us in this thread are talking about. Innocent > people have gotten killed or mutilated when cops go crazy chasing someone > who's often committed a non-violent crime. Stealing a car is a shittything > to do, you and I would love to kick their ass for doing so, but you don't > kill innocent bystanders in order to retrieve a fucking chunk of metal.It's

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> a stupid, neanderthal approach to the problem. > > And yes, the cops do get off on those chases. > > David G Fisher > > > "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:vZTPc.27$[email hidden]... > > How do you know it was unnecessary ? Can you prove that ? > > > > Say the guy had a gun and just popped off at some cops and/or public > > before this clip started and the cops took chase ? Say he just ran a > > minivan full of kids into a wall before this clip started, and then the > cops > > took chase ? > > > > You have NO idea about the full story. Neither do I, but then I'm not > > jumping off on some tangent either. > > > > > > David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > That's right. It's more important that the cops get back a hunk of > rolling > > > steel. If some innocent people (especially children---they haven't

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> > > what? That steel is definitely worth a few body bags. > > > > > > The cops get off on those completely unnecessary chases. > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:xbCPc.227$[email hidden]... > > > > Yep. I always get a kick out of so many times on the net, someone > > posts > > > a > > > > clip of incident x, and everyone jumps to criticizing, without

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> > been > > > > there, knowing the full story, etc. > > > > > > > > From an *edited* (usually for effect) tv clip, everyones an expert > on > > > how > > > > things should have been handled, on whatever the clips subject is. > > > > > > > > > > > > Darf <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:410eed9a$0$18672$[email hidden]... > > > > > It was actually a reported Stollen car. That is why the Cops were > > trying > > > > to > > > > > pull him over > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Darf > > > > > > > > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:sbBPc.96623$[email hidden]... > > > > > > He probably had a taillight out or something. The cops think

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> > > > nothing > > > > > > to risk killing innocent civilians if a "suspect" doesn't > > immediately > > > > > start > > > > > > bowing and scraping and licking their boots. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Geez, DG, I find my self in complete agreement w. everything you say! Amazing! The other side of the coin, of course, is about the chasees. There is little but anecdotal evidence that an increasing segment of the population (those on the bottom rung, with little or nothing to lose...which is why few of these chases involve guys driving Lamborghini Muiras or Bentley Arnages) want to go out in a blaze of glory, like in WW II movies, when John Wayne would stand up and all but DARE the enemy to rake him w. machinegun fire. However, this isn't some solipsistic yearning for a Raskolnikovian punishment to fit the crime, this is more like a trailer-trash version of suicide bombers, or Edward G. Robinson's Gottedaemmerung in White Heat ("Top o' the world, Ma!"), or those Kevlar-suited bank-robbers that held the North Hollywood police at bay with several thousand rounds of FMJ ammo a few years ago. Is it life imitating art? Or just a hissy fit over being denied yer 15 minutes of fame? Who knows? Who cares? (I tried to do this story for Car and Driver; THEY sure weren't interested.) The real question is why are the cops so accomodating as to provide a convenient Viking funeral for these wackos? It's the boys in blue who are the enablers. Maybe instead of emergency driving procedures (sorely undertaught at the academies), they should learn to get in touch with their inner nihilists at Alanon sessions. (Nilanon?) "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > All cops undergo psychiatric evaluations and intelligence tests beforethey

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> get a badge. Without ever having read the studies of the results of those > tests, when I was 13, I could of told you what kind of person usually > becomes a cop. Very, very easy thing to do. > > For many of them, it doesn't have much to do with wanting to protect and > serve. Do some research and you'll find out what type of person joins the > police force. > > -- > David G Fisher > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > >The cops get off on this sport because they get off on violence. Why > else > > >join the force? > > > > To protect and serve. I refuse to let the few bad apples color my view

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> > every cop in the country... > > > > Eldred > > -- > > http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > Screamers League > > IICC League > > GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 > > Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 > > Hist. +82.34 MoH:na > > N2k3 rank:in progress > > Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin > > Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro > > US East > >

David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > It really doesn't matter what the details of that particular chase are. <snip> > > David G Fisher Lol, yeah, the facts never do matter do they ?

It Tampa someone got killed during a police chase after they chased the guy who was filming hidden upskirt videos at the mall.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >LOL! How about a localized EMP? Hit the car with enough current somehowto > >kill the electrical, and it won't go much farther down the road. > > I've seen reports of such testing. First, it's hard to get a 'deliverymethod' > that works reliably. Second, most cars lose power steering and brakeswhen the > engine dies. Now you're risking the loss of control of the target vehiclethat > also endangers others. > Loss of power steering and brakes is not exactly a life-threatening defect. Trust me, even as a skinny-assed 16 year old I could haul my parents' 2 ton Buick to a halt, and steer in generally the right direction, each time the engine died (and this happened often with those lovely carb'ed and smogged V6s). Stephen

>Loss of power steering and brakes is not exactly a life-threatening defect. >Trust me, even as a skinny-assed 16 year old I could haul my parents' 2 ton >Buick to a halt, and steer in generally the right direction, each time the >engine died (and this happened often with those lovely carb'ed and smogged >V6s). I'm just reporting issues that were brought up in the story I saw. Sure, you were able to maintain a semblance of control. I've had an engine stall and was alert enough to catch it before I hit the wall(I was in a offramp turn at the time). But I wasn't(and likely you weren't) going 80+mph, with the added stress of being CHASED, possibly in fear for your life, etc. Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >Loss of power steering and brakes is not exactly a life-threateningdefect. > >Trust me, even as a skinny-assed 16 year old I could haul my parents' 2ton > >Buick to a halt, and steer in generally the right direction, each timethe > >engine died (and this happened often with those lovely carb'ed andsmogged > >V6s). > > I'm just reporting issues that were brought up in the story I saw. Sure,you > were able to maintain a semblance of control. I've had an engine stalland was > alert enough to catch it before I hit the wall(I was in a offramp turn atthe > time). But I wasn't(and likely you weren't) going 80+mph, with the added > stress of being CHASED, possibly in fear for your life, etc. > You never met my friends back in those harsh Canadian winters in the 80s. :-) Anyway, we're on the same side of the argument. There was a 'copter in the air, so the chase was unnecessary. Stephen ------------ And now a word from our sponsor ------------------ For a quality usenet news server, try DNEWS, easy to install, fast, efficient and reliable. For home servers or carrier class installations with millions of users it will allow you to grow! ---- See http://netwinsite.com/sponsor/sponsor_dnews.htm ----

>You never met my friends back in those harsh Canadian winters in the 80s. >:-) hehe... >Anyway, we're on the same side of the argument. There was a 'copter in the >air, so the chase was unnecessary. Was that a police copter or a news copter? Question - let's assume a helicopt is the only chase vehicle. The observers see the car stop, and see the perps get out. By the time cruisers on the ground get to the location, the perps could have gotten lost in the scenery. So yeah, you get the car back, but not the criminal who started the whole thing... Just playing devil's advocate. Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

"John Cauthen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cen9je$doj1$[email hidden]... > Darf, > > I'm not saying the police weren't justified in trying to stop the guy; I > just thought the method used was a bit risky. He was a danger to all the > traffic on the road at that rate of speed and he had to be stopped. Istill > wonder if there isn't a better way than spinning the car out and riskhaving > it go head-on into the other lane. Now if the police had been able toblock > the oncoming traffic well ahead of the car before tapping him.... yeah,I'd

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> say it was kosher. > > It's easy to armchair this incident now. In defense of the police, they > didn't have the luxury of plotting and moving resources in the time they > had, most likely. I wonder if it might not be best to just back off in a > situation like this, and let the driver sense that he's no longer being > pursued. At least he might slow down. Heck, they had him tracked by > helicopter. It's not like he could have gone on forever, they could have > grabbed him when the gas tank emptied. > > "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:xbCPc.227$[email hidden]... > > Yep. I always get a kick out of so many times on the net, someone

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I also thought that it was a bit risky to spin the car, but I suppose they have to weigh that risk up against the risk of letting him continue, which would probably be a lot riskier. I have always wondered if they could fit a Cop car with a forklift type attachment that could lift the rear wheels off the road ( for rear wheel drive cars ) or a harpoon type device that would penetrate the trunk of the car, allowing the Cops to pull the offender up using the brakes. The Cops could always "accidently" aim the harpoon at the driver, which would save the Tax payers a heap in Jail & Court costs :-) Darf "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >I'm not saying the police weren't justified in trying to stop the guy; I > >just thought the method used was a bit risky. He was a danger to all the > >traffic on the road at that rate of speed and he had to be stopped. Istill > >wonder if there isn't a better way than spinning the car out and riskhaving > >it go head-on into the other lane. > > To me, it appeared that there was a center barrier. So the oncomingtraffic

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That IS totally pointless ..... the cops could have got heaps better footage than that on the internet ;-) Darf "fredrickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vfWPc.280$[email hidden]... > It Tampa someone got killed during a police chase after they chased theguy > who was filming hidden upskirt videos at the mall. > >

"Darf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:41111c67$0$1901$[email hidden]... > I also thought that it was a bit risky to spin the car, but I suppose they > have to weigh that risk up against the risk of letting him continue, which > would probably be a lot riskier. I have always wondered if they could fita > Cop car with a forklift type attachment that could lift the rear wheelsoff > the road ( for rear wheel drive cars ) or a harpoon type device that would > penetrate the trunk of the car, allowing the Cops to pull the offender up > using the brakes. The Cops could always "accidently" aim the harpoon atthe > driver, which would save the Tax payers a heap in Jail & Court costs :-) > http://list.miata.net/miata/1996-08/1930.html The Finns already tried the harpoon... Stephen

Steve Smith wrote: > punishment to fit the crime, this is more like a trailer-trash version of > suicide bombers, or Edward G. Robinson's Gottedaemmerung in White Heat ("Top > o' the world, Ma!"), <Chuckle> Edward G. Robinson? I'd love to see THAT particular director's cut, if you have it, you're sitting on cinema gold! :) (I think you actually meant Jimmy Cagney here Steve) Regards, Rudy -------------------- GPLRank: -22

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>a >> Cop car with a forklift type attachment that could lift the rear wheels >off >> the road ( for rear wheel drive cars ) or a harpoon type device that would >> penetrate the trunk of the car, allowing the Cops to pull the offender up >> using the brakes. The Cops could always "accidently" aim the harpoon at >the >> driver, which would save the Tax payers a heap in Jail & Court costs :-) >> > >http://list.miata.net/miata/1996-08/1930.html > >The Finns already tried the harpoon...

I *thought* I'd remembered seeing something like that before. But I always wondered - why wouldn't the harpoon break back through the metal it had just penetrated? Presumably it would weaken the structure when it hits the first time. Then when the police car slams on the brakes, it seems like it would just rip through the back of the target car... I thought about the liability of harpooning a person in the car as well... :-( Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

Yes, of course Cagney. Doh! (I even looked it up before I sent it.) "Ruud Dingemans" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cesota$a4g$[email hidden]... > Steve Smith wrote: > > > punishment to fit the crime, this is more like a trailer-trash versionof > > suicide bombers, or Edward G. Robinson's Gottedaemmerung in White Heat("Top

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> > o' the world, Ma!"), > > > <Chuckle> Edward G. Robinson? I'd love to see THAT particular director's > cut, if you have it, you're sitting on cinema gold! :) > > (I think you actually meant Jimmy Cagney here Steve) > > Regards, Rudy > -------------------- > GPLRank: -22

like everything else in life GENERALIZING makes it easy to get one's point across. al i'm here to say is my son - an ENGLISH LIT major, graduated from college, was in the upper 2% of his NATIONAL academic rankings.. and joined the police force because he wants to help people~ he's been on the force for going on 3 years.. has arrested many an UNDER age youth beind the wheel, (one that he chased down on foot) :D and i ask... would you prefer this drunken irresponsible be allowed to samsh into your wife's car on her way to market? or into a school bus? or only into a tree taking his/her own life? i think not- not evey cop wants to bash in a head.. i know this wont stop generalizing, but i had to speak up on a misconstrued statement so close to 'home'..... a cop's dad bo bruce On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 18:56:49 -0400, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>All cops undergo psychiatric evaluations and intelligence tests before they >get a badge. Without ever having read the studies of the results of those >tests, when I was 13, I could of told you what kind of person usually >becomes a cop. Very, very easy thing to do. > >For many of them, it doesn't have much to do with wanting to protect and >serve. Do some research and you'll find out what type of person joins the >police force. > >-- >David G Fisher > > >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> >The cops get off on this sport because they get off on violence. Why >else >> >join the force? >> >> To protect and serve. I refuse to let the few bad apples color my view of >> every cop in the country... >> >> Eldred >> -- >> http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >> Screamers League >> IICC League >> GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 >> Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 >> Hist. +82.34 MoH:na >> N2k3 rank:in progress >> Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin >> Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro >> US East > >

I'm not generalizing; I'm prejudiced. I'm also reading Eddie Conlon's "Blue Blood," about his career w. New York's finest. Contrary to my cheap shot, Conlon obviously didn't join so he could partake of legal bar fights. Altho he comes from a family background of corrupt Irish cops, his father was a true-blue FBI agent and Conlon himself graduated from Harvard. He also received a genuinely warm welcome by Jon Stewart on 'The Daily Show' and has been published in The New Yorker, which is more than I've done with my privileged background of flaming liberalism. You have every right to be proud of yer son. "bb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> like everything else in life GENERALIZING makes it easy to get one's > point across. > > al i'm here to say is my son - an ENGLISH LIT major, graduated from > college, was in the upper 2% of his NATIONAL academic rankings.. and > joined the police force because he wants to help people~ > > he's been on the force for going on 3 years.. has arrested many an > UNDER age youth beind the wheel, (one that he chased down on foot) :D > and i ask... would you prefer this drunken irresponsible be allowed to > samsh into your wife's car on her way to market? or into a school bus? > or only into a tree taking his/her own life? i think not- > > not evey cop wants to bash in a head.. > i know this wont stop generalizing, but i had to speak up on a > misconstrued statement so close to 'home'..... > > a cop's dad > bo bruce > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 18:56:49 -0400, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >All cops undergo psychiatric evaluations and intelligence tests before

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> >get a badge. Without ever having read the studies of the results of those > >tests, when I was 13, I could of told you what kind of person usually > >becomes a cop. Very, very easy thing to do. > > > >For many of them, it doesn't have much to do with wanting to protect and > >serve. Do some research and you'll find out what type of person joins the > >police force. > > > >-- > >David G Fisher > > > > > >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> >The cops get off on this sport because they get off on violence. Why > >else > >> >join the force? > >> > >> To protect and serve. I refuse to let the few bad apples color my view

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> >> every cop in the country... > >> > >> Eldred > >> -- > >> http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > >> Screamers League > >> IICC League > >> GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 > >> Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 > >> Hist. +82.34 MoH:na > >> N2k3 rank:in progress > >> Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin > >> Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro > >> US East > > > > >

Steve Smith wrote: > Yes, of course Cagney. Doh! (I even looked it up before I sent it.) Hey, memorable scene though - I still go "Top o' the world, Ma, Top o' the world!!" every time I beat some benchmark in GPL! ;) (She still looks at me funny though.) Regards, Rudy -------------------- GPLRank: -22

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>>Loss of power steering and brakes is not exactly a life-threatening >>defect. Trust me, even as a skinny-assed 16 year old I could haul my >>parents' 2 ton Buick to a halt, and steer in generally the right >>direction, each time the engine died (and this happened often with >>those lovely carb'ed and smogged V6s). > > I'm just reporting issues that were brought up in the story I saw. > Sure, you were able to maintain a semblance of control.

Why only semblance? Both steering and brakes are working just fine without engine, you just lose power stuff (and probably ABS, not sure), so you have to put more force into steering and braking. If you have 30km of twisty and rough roads ahead, you're in for a hard time, but otherwise it shouldn't be a problem. In a reasonably light car you can even lock up the tyres. > I've had an > engine stall and was alert enough to catch it before I hit the wall(I > was in a offramp turn at the time).Familiar story in GPL, the engine explodes in the corner and you're suddenly madly oversteering into an inside wall. But I think it only applies to the race car. Alex. > But I wasn't(and likely you > weren't) going 80+mph, with the added stress of being CHASED, possibly > in fear for your life, etc. > > Eldred

Agree 100%. Marc "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > It really doesn't matter what the details of that particular chase are. We > are really discussing the bigger issue of police chases, and in case you > haven't watched the news in the past couple of years, it has somethingthat > people are concerned about. People have gotten killed for nothing. In > communities around the U.S., cops are being forbidden to chase cars except > under strict circumstances, and sometimes under no circumstances at all. > Why? Because of what some of us in this thread are talking about. Innocent > people have gotten killed or mutilated when cops go crazy chasing someone > who's often committed a non-violent crime. Stealing a car is a shittything > to do, you and I would love to kick their ass for doing so, but you don't > kill innocent bystanders in order to retrieve a fucking chunk of metal.It's

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> a stupid, neanderthal approach to the problem. > > And yes, the cops do get off on those chases. > > David G Fisher > > > "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:vZTPc.27$[email hidden]... > > How do you know it was unnecessary ? Can you prove that ? > > > > Say the guy had a gun and just popped off at some cops and/or public > > before this clip started and the cops took chase ? Say he just ran a > > minivan full of kids into a wall before this clip started, and then the > cops > > took chase ? > > > > You have NO idea about the full story. Neither do I, but then I'm not > > jumping off on some tangent either. > > > > > > David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > That's right. It's more important that the cops get back a hunk of > rolling > > > steel. If some innocent people (especially children---they haven't

been > > > around very long, so they are of little value) get mangled or killed,so

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> > > what? That steel is definitely worth a few body bags. > > > > > > The cops get off on those completely unnecessary chases. > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:xbCPc.227$[email hidden]... > > > > Yep. I always get a kick out of so many times on the net, someone > > posts > > > a > > > > clip of incident x, and everyone jumps to criticizing, without

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> > been > > > > there, knowing the full story, etc. > > > > > > > > From an *edited* (usually for effect) tv clip, everyones an expert > on > > > how > > > > things should have been handled, on whatever the clips subject is. > > > > > > > > > > > > Darf <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:410eed9a$0$18672$[email hidden]... > > > > > It was actually a reported Stollen car. That is why the Cops were > > trying > > > > to > > > > > pull him over > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Darf > > > > > > > > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:sbBPc.96623$[email hidden]... > > > > > > He probably had a taillight out or something. The cops think

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> > > > nothing > > > > > > to risk killing innocent civilians if a "suspect" doesn't > > immediately > > > > > start > > > > > > bowing and scraping and licking their boots. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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>> I'm just reporting issues that were brought up in the story I saw. >> Sure, you were able to maintain a semblance of control. >Why only semblance? Both steering and brakes are working just fine >without engine, you just lose power stuff (and probably ABS, not sure), so >you have to put more force into steering and braking. If you have 30km of >twisty and rough roads ahead, you're in for a hard time, but otherwise it >shouldn't be a problem. In a reasonably light car you can even lock up the >tyres.

I've also tried steering a car that was being pushed because it had stalled. I didn't find anything easy about trying to turn the wheel then. Maybe if the car is going faster the steering responds better? Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

"EldredP" wrote... > > <snip> > I've also tried steering a car that was being pushed because > it had stalled. I didn't find anything easy about trying to > turn the wheel then. Maybe if the car is going faster the > steering responds better? Generally, yes, but it will still be harder than steering a car designed without powersteering. Jan. =---

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>>> I'm just reporting issues that were brought up in the story I saw. >>> Sure, you were able to maintain a semblance of control. >>Why only semblance? Both steering and brakes are working just fine >>without engine, you just lose power stuff (and probably ABS, not sure), >>so you have to put more force into steering and braking. If you have >>30km of twisty and rough roads ahead, you're in for a hard time, but >>otherwise it shouldn't be a problem. In a reasonably light car you can >>even lock up the tyres. > > I've also tried steering a car that was being pushed because it had > stalled. I didn't find anything easy about trying to turn the wheel > then. Maybe if the car is going faster the steering responds better? > > Eldred

Yep, when the car stationary, turning the wheel is quite hard, but at speed it is much easier. Alex.

>Yep, when the car stationary, turning the wheel is quite hard, but at speed >it is much easier. Easier, but still more effort than if it were manual steering. Bill