Frank Williams Rot in Hell

Well once again, the evil man in the wheel chair has ***ed British Motor Sport Big time. I cannot understand why (apart from the money side) why he fails to resign Damon Hill, who has prove that he is the best driver, under Schumacher. Who the Hell is H-H Fretzen?? Being a former World Sport Car follower, this guy never proved him against the others in the Sauber Mercedes Junior Team. (Okay he was lucky to be in the Winning Sauber at LM / But that year Jaguar has some bad luck) Hes highest position is 5th in any GP and many times our Johhny Herbert has out qualified him and out raced him.. I can only think that it must be what some elements of the British press are saying, that he is doing this to `BUY` BMW V10 engines after 1997 when the current Renault deal ends. And of course the money. He refuses to pay for quality. I certainly hopes this blows up in Williams face !! ----------------------------------------------------------------- Southend, Essex. UK -----------------------------------------------------------------

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> Well once again, the evil man in the wheel chair has ***ed British Motor > Sport Big time. I cannot understand why (apart from the money side) why he > fails to resign Damon Hill, who has prove that he is the best driver, > under Schumacher. > Who the Hell is H-H Fretzen?? Being a former World Sport Car follower, > this guy never proved him against the others in the Sauber Mercedes Junior > Team. (Okay he was lucky to be in the Winning Sauber at LM / But that year > Jaguar has some bad luck) > Hes highest position is 5th in any GP and many times our Johhny Herbert > has out qualified him and out raced him.. > I can only think that it must be what some elements of the British press > are saying, that he is doing this to `BUY` BMW V10 engines after 1997 > when the current Renault deal ends. And of course the money. He refuses > to pay for quality. > I certainly hopes this blows up in Williams face !! > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Southend, Essex. UK > -----------------------------------------------------------------Frank Williams has done a GREAT thing by letting Damon Hill go .Hill has

never been anything but a rookie in the fastest car .Now let him prove himself in something like a Benetton or Ferrari !!!!!!!!

For a start, this is the wrong newsgroup. But anyway... "The evil man in the wheel chair". A little extreme, I think. But anyway. Surely he has failed to re(-)sign Hill because Hill has proved that he's not actually very good. If Hill was all that good, there's no reason for him not to have the world championship tied up by now, given the car and team at his disposal. That I can't comment on - I don't know. Such as Senna, or Prost? I wouldn't say that any two drivers could drive for Williams and be first and second in the drivers' championship. Just most of them. There are just two things which could blow up in Williams face at the moment - Schumacher in a reliable Ferrari, and Hakkinen or Coulthard in an improved McLaren. Getting rid of Damon Hill isn't going to***on his fireworks.

>Well once again, the evil man in the wheel chair has ***ed British Motor >Sport Big time. I cannot understand why (apart from the money side) why he >fails to resign Damon Hill, who has prove that he is the best driver, >under Schumacher. Maybe because Damon is a fast driver, but not good race-driver. Damon is fast, but he can't even preform a good take over in race. We have seen that lots of times. Damon is just lucky that he has Williams to drive.

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>Who the Hell is H-H Fretzen?? Being a former World Sport Car follower, >this guy never proved him against the others in the Sauber Mercedes Junior >Team. (Okay he was lucky to be in the Winning Sauber at LM / But that year >Jaguar has some bad luck) >Hes highest position is 5th in any GP and many times our Johhny Herbert >has out qualified him and out raced him.. >I can only think that it must be what some elements of the British press >are saying, that he is doing this to `BUY` BMW V10 engines after 1997 >when the current Renault deal ends. And of course the money. He refuses >to pay for quality. >I certainly hopes this blows up in Williams face !! >----------------------------------------------------------------- >Southend, Essex. UK >-----------------------------------------------------------------

Brecht, Belgium

Sounds like someone's got the wrong newsgroup! Take this to rec.autos.frank.williams.rot.in.hell, please. No more napkins at my parties, Wipe your hands on a dead baboon!

I would like to add my option to this, not that it matters, but here goes. First off, I think it was money. Why would Frank pay Damon 10 million dollars when he could pay HH Frenzen less than half and probably still win the constructors champions ship. He doesn't care about the drivers title. Second, he could be thinking that when the renault engine leaves, his car might be middle of the pack. Everyone knows Damon can't pass on an F-1 Circut, unless they are back markers and move for him. Frank might be thinking that his car might be even with Ferarri, and Benneton not to mention every other team on the brink of greatness. He could be thinking he needs a passer, some one aggressive that won't take HIMSELF out of the race passing other drivers. Sean

So, my evil plan has been tumbled ! And it would have worked if it wasn't for those damn kids and their stupid dog ! I'll get you next time...

On Mon, 02 Sep 1996 17:09:38 +0000, Julian Anderson >Well once again, the evil man in the wheel chair has ***ed British Motor >Sport Big time. I cannot understand why (apart from the money side) why he >fails to resign Damon Hill, who has prove that he is the best driver, >under Schumacher. No Damon has only proved that you do not need to be good to win in a Williams. Driving a Sauber might just account for his highest position. And I`m sure you`ll find that Heinz-Harald usually out-races and out-qualifys Herbert. Why should Williams pay through the nose for a mediocre driver when he can get a better one for less. Williams need a strong driver line-up if the Ferrari starts getting competitive. ____________________________ Allez le Paris Saint-Germain

Why pay millions to Damon Hill when Jacques Villeneuve is doing the same job for much less? There are many drivers out there as good or better than Hill, and Frank isn't running a charity. Williams is a business, and a business doesn't throw millions of pounds away unecessarily. _________________________________ __ _____| |_____ __ ________| |__| :| John Wallace | |__| |________ \ :| |::| :| Team WW Racing TSW | |::| | / > :| |::| :|_________________________________| |::| | < / :|__|::|____/ * Sim Racing News * \____|::|__| \ /______:/ \::/ http://sneezy.dcn.ed.ac.uk/simnews/index.htm \::/ \._____\ http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~harmon/simnews

Could you all please take this discussion the specified group?? I love formula 1, but this group is for discussing Autos Simulators..not F1!!! I would like some of the bandwidth to be token up by something relating to auto sims not "real life racing"!! Also, this includes NASCAR, Indycar, IRL, F1, NHRA, IHRA, NMCA..got it?? thank you..I had to get that off my chest.. take care Julian Data #0004 Director of Information Technology, Consultant, "Ace" Test Driver Offical Channel Operator (#ivgacsnc, on undernet) International Video Gamers Assoiciation, Inc. Http://www.ivga.com IVGA Headquarters: International Video Gamers Assoiciation, Inc. (IVGA) 14100 Walsingham Avenue Suite 36 Largo, FL 34644 Voice: (813) 596-6661

: Could you all please take this discussion the specified group?? I love : formula 1, but this group is for discussing Autos Simulators..not F1!!! : I would like some of the bandwidth to be token up by something relating : to auto : sims not "real life racing"!! : Also, this includes NASCAR, Indycar, IRL, F1, NHRA, IHRA, NMCA..got it?? : thank you..I had to get that off my chest.. While I agree that at times we do stray too far off "topic", I feel that it is a fine line to walk. Since we are "simulating" real life, it is at times approriate to incorporate real life topics. As long as we don't get too carried away, I personally don't mind a little "real life" talk here in r.a.s. (There, have I "waffled" enough?) Just my $.02 worth... -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

You are forgetting that Damon had asked for somethinh like a 200% pay increase, becasue his agent told him to do so. Frank williams obvioulsy doesn't feel Damon is worth it! Once again a great driver gets dollar signs in front of his eyes and ruins his otherwise good image.

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> > Well once again, the evil man in the wheel chair has ***ed British Motor > > Sport Big time. I cannot understand why (apart from the money side) why he > > fails to resign Damon Hill, who has prove that he is the best driver, > > under Schumacher. > > Who the Hell is H-H Fretzen?? Being a former World Sport Car follower, > > this guy never proved him against the others in the Sauber Mercedes Junior > > Team. (Okay he was lucky to be in the Winning Sauber at LM / But that year > > Jaguar has some bad luck) > > Hes highest position is 5th in any GP and many times our Johhny Herbert > > has out qualified him and out raced him.. > > I can only think that it must be what some elements of the British press > > are saying, that he is doing this to `BUY` BMW V10 engines after 1997 > > when the current Renault deal ends. And of course the money. He refuses > > to pay for quality. > > I certainly hopes this blows up in Williams face !! > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Southend, Essex. UK > > -----------------------------------------------------------------Frank

Williams has done a GREAT thing by letting Damon Hill go .Hill has No chance, Hill can only make a McLaren deal if he's lucky. Mark

> Well once again, the evil man in the wheel chair has f...... Isn't this for SIMULATORS? It's enough to wade through the venting and flaming of the sims.... mm

> I`ll probably get my wrists slapped (again ;-) ) for entering into > offf topic discussion but here goes. Yes. *SLAP* Consider yourself slapped.

>I would like some of the bandwidth to be token up by something relating to auto >sims not "real life racing"!! I sort of take your point, but you completely blow your argument by having a 12 line sig - now that really is a waste of bandwidth <g> Richard

I don`t think so, the amount of money brought to the team by winning the drivers championship must be pretty large. ____________________________ Allez le Paris Saint-Germain

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> >Well once again, the evil man in the wheel chair has ***ed British Motor > >Sport Big time. I cannot understand why (apart from the money side) why he > >fails to resign Damon Hill, who has prove that he is the best driver, > >under Schumacher. > Maybe because Damon is a fast driver, but not good race-driver. Damon > is fast, but he can't even preform a good take over in race. We have > seen that lots of times. Damon is just lucky that he has Williams to > drive. > >Who the Hell is H-H Fretzen?? Being a former World Sport Car follower, > >this guy never proved him against the others in the Sauber Mercedes Junior > >Team. (Okay he was lucky to be in the Winning Sauber at LM / But that year > >Jaguar has some bad luck) > >Hes highest position is 5th in any GP and many times our Johhny Herbert > >has out qualified him and out raced him.. > >I can only think that it must be what some elements of the British press > >are saying, that he is doing this to `BUY` BMW V10 engines after 1997 > >when the current Renault deal ends. And of course the money. He refuses > >to pay for quality. > >I certainly hopes this blows up in Williams face !! > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > >Southend, Essex. UK > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > Brecht, Belgium

Sorry guys, but all I have to say is "rec.autos.sport.f1" have fun! this is for computer sims... Don't flame me, just go.. -- /|\ David Otterness / |#\ Lake County, IL, USA / |##\ / |###\ IndyCar-#2 / |####\ NASCAR-#2,whoever beats #3 ----------- \####| / E-mail me at: \##| / \#| / Or find me on UnderNet IRC, \|/ Handle: Roid

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> Sorry guys, but all I have to say is "rec.autos.sport.f1" have fun! this > is for computer sims... Don't flame me, just go.. > -- > /|\ David Otterness > / |#\ Lake County, IL, USA > / |##\ > / |###\ IndyCar-#2 > / |####\ NASCAR-#2,whoever beats #3 > ----------- > \####| / E-mail me at: > \##| / > \#| / Or find me on UnderNet IRC, > \|/ Handle: Roid

What's someone with a 13 line sig doing telling anyone else about nettiquete. -- Suck The Goat

>Hes highest position is 5th in any GP and many times our Johhny Herbert >has out qualified him and out raced him.. Actually he finished 3rd last year at Monza - with the Ford V8 ! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Imagination Is More Important Than Knowledge (Albert Einstein) + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

On Mon, 02 Sep 1996 17:09:38 +0000, Julian Anderson >Well once again, the evil man in the wheel chair ...snip... 'orribly off subject ... but nobody seems to be worried. Damon Hill is a fine driver, but he needs another team and Williams needs a new driver ... it's simply that the party is over. Hill reminds me of Stirling Moss (a British F1 champion from way back) who, like Hill, had a delightful rhythm (you drifted through most corners with reverse lock in those days), but when Moss got rattled and things were not going his way, he could become a mess. So it is with Verstappen also ... great start to this season but as his car failed to perform, so his own performance drifted off. ...snip... It's all rumour ... Frentzen is well respected, but I'd like to see Verstappen in a Williams (in spite of his inexperience). ...snip... Personally, I would be delighted to see another top grade engine manufacturer supporting F1 ... and I really can't see where Williams would find a decent British developed and manufactured engine. Mmmm ... with the cost of running an F1 team these days, anyone who is willing to compete is doing us fans a favour. A reliable Ferrari and a resurgent Bennetton could have Williams under pressure next season .. and still with the Renault engine ----------------------------------------------------------------- Tony Sanders Wellington New Zealand ... absolutely, positively nuclear-free, and absolutely OS/2 Warped. ---------------------------------------------------------------

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> > Sorry guys, but all I have to say is "rec.autos.sport.f1" have fun! this > > is for computer sims... Don't flame me, just go.. > > -- > What's someone with a 13 line sig doing telling anyone else about > nettiquete. > -- > Suck The Goat

Hmmm... sorry buddy, but I only counted 11.. maybe it's 13 in uk terms, but in US terms, it's only 11 lines... -- /|\ David Otterness / |#\ Lake County, IL, USA / |##\ / |###\ IndyCar-#2 / |####\ NASCAR-#2,whoever beats #3 ----------- \####| / E-mail me at: \##| / \#| / Or find me on UnderNet IRC, \|/ Handle: Roid

writes: > > What's someone with a 13 line sig doing telling anyone else about > > nettiquete. > Hmmm... sorry buddy, but I only counted 11.. maybe it's 13 in uk terms, > but in US terms, it's only 11 lines... I believe the recomended maximum is four lines, not 11 (how *do* you count in the US?), 12 or even 13 (if your feeling partcularly un-generous). [0]> -- [1]> [2]> /|\ David [3]> / |#\ Lake [4]> / |##\ [5]> / |###\ Indy [6]> / |####\ NA [7]> ----------- [8]> \####| / E-mail m [9]> \###| / dotterne [10]> \##| / [11]> \#| / Or fin [12]> \|/ Hand [13]> Obviously you consider the usual nettiquette recomendation of four lines does not apply to you, but the recomendation that posts be on topic in the groups to which they are posted, should be applied by others in this thread. -- Suck The Goat

Shut up until your sig is down to 5 lines or less. /m : > : > : > > Sorry guys, but all I have to say is "rec.autos.sport.f1" have fun! this : > > is for computer sims... Don't flame me, just go.. : > > -- : > What's someone with a 13 line sig doing telling anyone else about : > nettiquete. : > : > -- : > Suck The Goat : Hmmm... sorry buddy, but I only counted 11.. maybe it's 13 in uk terms, : but in US terms, it's only 11 lines... : -- : : /|\ David Otterness : / |#\ Lake County, IL, USA : / |##\ : / |###\ IndyCar-#2 : / |####\ NASCAR-#2,whoever beats #3 : ----------- : \####| / E-mail me at: : \##| / : \#| / Or find me on UnderNet IRC, : \|/ Handle: Roid