OT: AMD Athlon XP Barton vs. Athlon64 (not FX)

Is there much performance differance between an Athlon64 Socket 754 CPUs and an Athlon XP barton of the same rating? If not now will there be down the road with WinXP64? TIA MadDAWG

"MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4118c606$[email hidden]... > Is there much performance differance between an Athlon64 Socket 754CPUs and > an Athlon XP barton of the same rating? If not now will there be downthe > road with WinXP64? If you've already got a Socket A board that'll take an XP3000 or whatever, get that. If you're buying a new mobo anyway, get the A-64. The performance difference is there, but imo it's not worth a mobo upgrade unless you're doing one anyway. Malc.

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> "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:4118c606$[email hidden]... > > Is there much performance differance between an Athlon64 Socket 754 > CPUs and > > an Athlon XP barton of the same rating? If not now will there be down > the > > road with WinXP64? > > If you've already got a Socket A board that'll take an XP3000 or > whatever, get that. If you're buying a new mobo anyway, get the A-64. > The performance difference is there, but imo it's not worth a mobo > upgrade unless you're doing one anyway. > > Malc.

Also - if you stick with Socket A and are interested in overclocking, get a Mobile Barton (not an MP - that's multiprocessor enabled). The low-voltage design apparently has more overclocking room when you set the voltage closer to XP specs. HTH, Kendt

> If you've already got a Socket A board that'll take an XP3000 or > whatever, get that. If you're buying a new mobo anyway, get the A-64. > The performance difference is there, but imo it's not worth a mobo > upgrade unless you're doing one anyway. > > Malc. I'd be doing the motherboard as well. I want to keep my xp2100 system as second for network racing when friends come over. Any tips as to a good motherboard? I'd like a "good" onboard sound like the ASUS deluxe board for the Socket A setups. I have been happy with my current Nforce2 based setup so my gut feel is to stick with an Nforce3 based board, but I really have no idea if thats the right thing to do. MadDAWG

"MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4119ee81$[email hidden]... > > > If you've already got a Socket A board that'll take an XP3000 or > > whatever, get that. If you're buying a new mobo anyway, get theA-64. > > The performance difference is there, but imo it's not worth a mobo > > upgrade unless you're doing one anyway. > > > > Malc. > > I'd be doing the motherboard as well. I want to keep my xp2100 systemas > second for network racing when friends come over. In which case going for the A64 would give you more upgrade potential in the future (faster CPU) Socket A development has finished now, so only get one if it's really good value. > Any tips as to a good motherboard? I'd like a "good" onboard soundlike the > ASUS deluxe board for the Socket A setups. I have been happy with my > current Nforce2 based setup so my gut feel is to stick with an Nforce3based > board, but I really have no idea if thats the right thing to do. Asus are a decent brand & you'll be happy with any Asus A64 mobo. MSi are okay, cheaper and a little less 'solid', but you may get more features for your money. I tend to get 'good enough' quality rather than the best every time, and I find MSi meets my needs. You'll get as many mobo suggestions as there are mobo's available, but as long as you realise that the mobo is the most important part of your PC & it pays not to skimp on quality you'll be fine ;-) Don't be suckered by extra features like firewire or RAID unless you actually plan to use them, and on-board RAID isn't a great idea anyway (if the mobo dies you'll need the exact same mobo chipset to replace it so you can read your data). Add-on RAID cards are cheap & won't limit your options as much next time you upgrade. Malc.

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> You'll get as many mobo suggestions as there are mobo's available, but > as long as you realise that the mobo is the most important part of your > PC & it pays not to skimp on quality you'll be fine ;-) Don't be > suckered by extra features like firewire or RAID unless you actually > plan to use them, and on-board RAID isn't a great idea anyway (if the > mobo dies you'll need the exact same mobo chipset to replace it so you > can read your data). Add-on RAID cards are cheap & won't limit your > options as much next time you upgrade. > > Malc.

Is one chipset better or worse than the rest? Thats usally how I base my buying decision on as long as its a major name brand like Asus, Abit, etc. My current board is a Leadtek and I have had zero problems. so far its been the best board I have ever owned for stabilty and performace, but it is also the only one with the Nforce2 setup I have ever had. After all the past problems with VIA chipsets in the past I have stayed away from them. As far as onboard features go the two big ones for me are onboard LAN and a good sound setup. It appears that the prefered choice for the socket A boards was the Realtek based 5.1 sound. Any ideas whats good/bad for a Socket 754? thanks for you help MadDAWG

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> > You'll get as many mobo suggestions as there are mobo's available, but > > as long as you realise that the mobo is the most important part of your > > PC & it pays not to skimp on quality you'll be fine ;-) ... > > > Is one chipset better or worse than the rest? Thats usally how I base my > buying decision on as long as its a major name brand like Asus, Abit, etc. > My current board is a Leadtek and I have had zero problems. so far its been > the best board I have ever owned for stabilty and performace, but it is also > the only one with the Nforce2 setup I have ever had. >

RE: Performance - all the benchmarks clearly show the Nforce2 Ultra 400 chipset is the best for AMD Athlon XP systems, when you are running matched dual-channel DDR memory. The VIA KT600 is pretty close to the Nforce2 400 (non-Ultra) for single-channel DDR memory systems. All the other Athlon chipsets (other VIA, all SIS, early Nforce, all AMD chipsets) are markedly inferior to Nforce2 in memory bandwidth and AGP performance. RE: Stability - really seems to be more a function of the MB manufacturer than a particular chipset.

The Asus A7N8X (and later dash-E model), with its nForce 2 chipset, has onboard Soundstorm sound, widely acknowledged to be as good as Creative's Audigy 2 ZS (slightly higher CPU utilization, but much better sound - no snap, crackle & pop in N2003, for example). "Ted D." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:<411a2811$[email hidden]>... > > > You'll get as many mobo suggestions as there are mobo's available, but > > > as long as you realise that the mobo is the most important part ofyour > > > PC & it pays not to skimp on quality you'll be fine ;-) ... > > > > > > Is one chipset better or worse than the rest? Thats usally how I base my > > buying decision on as long as its a major name brand like Asus, Abit,etc. > > My current board is a Leadtek and I have had zero problems. so far itsbeen > > the best board I have ever owned for stabilty and performace, but it isalso

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> > the only one with the Nforce2 setup I have ever had. > > > > RE: Performance - all the benchmarks clearly show the Nforce2 Ultra > 400 chipset is the best for AMD Athlon XP systems, when you are > running matched dual-channel DDR memory. > > The VIA KT600 is pretty close to the Nforce2 400 (non-Ultra) for > single-channel DDR memory systems. > > All the other Athlon chipsets (other VIA, all SIS, early Nforce, all > AMD chipsets) are markedly inferior to Nforce2 in memory bandwidth and > AGP performance. > > RE: Stability - really seems to be more a function of the MB > manufacturer than a particular chipset.

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> "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:4119ee81$[email hidden]... > > > > > If you've already got a Socket A board that'll take an XP3000 or > > > whatever, get that. If you're buying a new mobo anyway, get the > A-64. > > > The performance difference is there, but imo it's not worth a mobo > > > upgrade unless you're doing one anyway. > > > > > > Malc. > > > > I'd be doing the motherboard as well. I want to keep my xp2100 system > as > > second for network racing when friends come over. > > In which case going for the A64 would give you more upgrade potential in > the future (faster CPU) Socket A development has finished now, so only > get one if it's really good value. >

Only if he got a motherboard (and cpu) based on the 939 socket. The A64 735 (?) socket is going away.

> Only if he got a motherboard (and cpu) based on the 939 socket. The A64 > 735 (?) socket is going away. Well if its going away then I might as well stick with the Socket A set up with the Asus Nforce setup. thanks MadDAWG

"MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:411b4b4c$[email hidden]... > > Only if he got a motherboard (and cpu) based on the 939 socket. TheA64 > > 735 (?) socket is going away. > > > Well if its going away then I might as well stick with the Socket Aset up > with the Asus Nforce setup. The A-64 CPU's are changing sockets. A-64's aren't going away, just the socket type so as John suggests go for a mobo with the new Socket 939 rather than the earlier type & you will get the same performance but better upgrade potential. Malc.

> The A-64 CPU's are changing sockets. A-64's aren't going away, just the > socket type so as John suggests go for a mobo with the new Socket 939 > rather than the earlier type & you will get the same performance but > better upgrade potential. > > Malc. The big thing is the 939 CPUs are waaaaaaaay more money than I wanted to spend at this point in time. Granted they are faster, but not that much. My original plan was to go with the Asus deluxe board with an Athlon XP 3000 or 3200 so its not like I'm really going backwards. Thanks for you input. I appreciate it. MadDAWG