GP2: Driving Tips Against AI Cars?

These questions are perhaps embarassingly basic, but my main simulation experience is with air combat sims. (I am just beginning to get the rythm of driving down relative to the track.) First, what's the best way to maneuver to pass AI cars? What's the best way of keeping them from zooming into the turns braking later and coming out ahead, or worse rear ending you? Second, if I quick race and place myself in the middle of the starting grid on Monza, how do I avoid yielding 5 positions going into the first turn or getting my car crumpled into a beer can as all the cars converge? Thanks.

>These questions are perhaps embarassingly basic, but my main >simulation experience is with air combat sims. >(I am just beginning to get the rythm of driving down relative to the >track.) First, what's the best way to maneuver to pass AI cars? Get beeing them on straights to get a tow and when youre closing up just steer a little and pass them. Other way is to outbrake them, with a little practice you'll find that you can sometimes reduce the braking length a lot. I try to keep the inside line to block em...dont brake hard in their faces.... Dont try to win the race on the first turn...place yourself in a good position (not too much in the inside) and drive as slow as them and keep your line >Thanks. these are my little advide, i'm no expert but I hope it helps see ya! :) Daniel

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>These questions are perhaps embarassingly basic, but my main >simulation experience is with air combat sims. >(I am just beginning to get the rythm of driving down relative to the >track.) First, what's the best way to maneuver to pass AI cars? >What's the best way of keeping them from zooming into the turns >braking later and coming out ahead, or worse rear ending you? >Second, if I quick race and place myself in the middle of the starting >grid on Monza, how do I avoid yielding 5 positions going into the >first turn or getting my car crumpled into a beer can as all the cars >converge? >Thanks.

If you are ahead and the AI car is behind, defend your line by setting up for the corner a bit more to the center of the track than normal, this will not leave an opening for the AI to try one of their kamikasi (Damon Hill) passing moves. If you are behind then try and set up for the corner so that you will have better corner exit speed and pass as you exit the corner. Most of the time the AI will have gone into the corner a bit hot to try and defend their position and will have very low corner exit speed as a result. On the start I wind up the engine until the first green rpm light is lit, when the green comes, I drop into 1st gear and pass, try and stay either to the inside or outside before the first corner, and slow down a bit before the AI, then just do your best to avoid accidents. Sometimes there is no way to avoid them, just as in real F1 races, that is just part of the fun of a standing start. The AI in GP2 is really outstanding, I have had a couple of races where I have traded the lead with Schumacher and Hill a few times without banging wheels, but then there has also been a few times when I have been taken out at by an oponent going in too hot on a corner and trying to outbrake me. Again this correlates pretty much with what I see in real F1. Cheers. --John -- ------------------- John (Joao) Silva http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jsilva Seattle, Washington USA.

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>These questions are perhaps embarassingly basic, but my main >simulation experience is with air combat sims. >(I am just beginning to get the rythm of driving down relative to the >track.) First, what's the best way to maneuver to pass AI cars? >What's the best way of keeping them from zooming into the turns >braking later and coming out ahead, or worse rear ending you?

You have to learn the best places to pass. Unless your opposition "blows" it you generaly cannot pass evrywhere. Drive smoother & you will not get rearended, I haven't yet. ANd so far I am in the middle of the pack at rookie level (2:06 at spa). I just havn't been able to put the tim into reducing mt times. But it was the same in GP1 & ICR. Eventually I will get down to the track records. You pretty much drive like Jean Alesi. ie Stick your nose in there & let the other guys back off. I am constantly impressed with the GP2 IA. They back off when they should, close the door on you when they should, & do not try to "take you out" when you pass them on a fast straight. The latter was a definate problem for GP1. So much so, I used to joke in this newsgroup about how Crammond had the NASCAR (fender scraping) IA down perfect :-) >Thanks.

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> These questions are perhaps embarassingly basic, but my main > simulation experience is with air combat sims. > (I am just beginning to get the rythm of driving down relative to the > track.) First, what's the best way to maneuver to pass AI cars? > What's the best way of keeping them from zooming into the turns > braking later and coming out ahead, or worse rear ending you? > Second, if I quick race and place myself in the middle of the starting > grid on Monza, how do I avoid yielding 5 positions going into the > first turn or getting my car crumpled into a beer can as all the cars > converge?

At Monza it's best to qualify in an odd numbered position - like 1st for example :) to make sure you are on the left. If you are not, get onto the left side of the track as soon as you can after the start. As you reach the chicane, start braking slowly at the 200m mark, then heavily after 100m. You will find that the CCs all go to the right to get a good line into the chicane, and you can usually outbreak about 4 cars as they queue up. If you get a good exit you can usually take another at the start of the straight. Just remember to give the other cars plenty of room - lots of cars in a tight space means that accidends are easy and the big blind spots make it very difficult. Anyway, using this method, when I quickrace I can go from 6th on the grid to 1st or 2nd after the chicane quite regularly (at Pro level, joystick with only gears and traction on). Good luck Julian _____________________________________________________________________ University of Oxford

: You pretty much drive like Jean Alesi. ie Stick your nose in there & let the : other guys back off. I am constantly impressed with the GP2 IA. They back off : when they should, close the door on you when they should, & do not try to : "take you out" when you pass them on a fast straight. The latter was a definate : problem for GP1. So much so, I used to joke in this newsgroup about how Crammond : had the NASCAR (fender scraping) IA down perfect :-) I will agree that the GP2 AI is very forgiving, if you let them. Don't stop dead on the track and they won't hit you. They seem to have better mirrors than my car in GP2!, but maybe that's because they can hear my car coming! ;-) Howver, the are dumber than ______, if I spin out in the middle of the track. If this is near the start, I can't get out of the way until all of the traffic goes by. But it won't go by! They just keep plowing into me, trying to bulldoze me off the course. They won't backup, turn around, etc. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

>I've located one place where AI guys are truly idiots- at Spa, in the >final chicane before the curve toward the start/finish. AI guys will Never had that happen to me. I am usually *WAY* ahead at that point :-) I have noticed that just like in GP1, if you do not give them a line, they do not try to pass. I suggest making your car wider :-) I have held up traffic at spa quite alot. Since I never give a good opening for a pass, I am always in front of the train...

>: You pretty much drive like Jean Alesi. ie Stick your nose in there & let the >: other guys back off. I am constantly impressed with the GP2 IA. They back off >: when they should, close the door on you when they should, & do not try to >: "take you out" when you pass them on a fast straight. The latter was a definate >: problem for GP1. So much so, I used to joke in this newsgroup about how Crammond >: had the NASCAR (fender scraping) IA down perfect :-) I generally agree- I am impressed with them too. They can be incredibly bold at times, and the contrast to the wise conservatism they show when they know they are beaten is very impressive. Man, I know what you are talking about. But let;s face it, in F1, one you spin, it is all over anyway! This certainly leaves a bad taste in the mouth tho- I've quit racing many times after getting knocked around repeatedly like a hockey puck until I'm 26th and 9 seconds behind anybody. I've located one place where AI guys are truly idiots- at Spa, in the final chicane before the curve toward the start/finish. AI guys will hit you very fast and hard if you are stuck in a line of traffic there. I ask myself- why are all the AI guys stuck ahead of me just fine, and it is always the AI guy behind ME that wipes us all out? ;> Also, AI guys seem to love to pass there. I tend to think in real life most drivers would have a sort of unspoken agreement to keep some space in there; if you tangle, both of you are out. But the AI guys just dive in over the first curb to pass me, and it is a pure game of "chicken" after that. 9 times out of 10 we're both out of the race. Best to let them go.

: I've located one place where AI guys are truly idiots- at Spa, in the : final chicane before the curve toward the start/finish. AI guys will : hit you very fast and hard if you are stuck in a line of traffic : there. Hmm, didn't happen to me, yet... But at the start they're even worse, start from last grid position, get on the right side and blast through to the first corner. Usually you'll be in the top ten at that time... That should be considered a bug, I think. ...bye, Niels

> But at the start they're even worse, start from last grid position, > get on the right side and blast through to the first corner. > Usually you'll be in the top ten at that time... The car in GP2, the one that you are driving is top-of-the-bill... It's like putting a Williams on the back row... It'll fly right by the minardi's and stuff... that's for sure :-) Yves