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gp2: big error in qualifying

13 posts by 13 people · 12 Aug 1996 - 21 Aug 1996

There is a big error in the qualifying session. I was making to the best lap on monza so far I was .200 s under schummi's time. I get the signal qualifying over, dreaming about my first pole (because you can finish that lap in f1!!!!), my screen turned black and was thrown back to the race menu. This is not only time. It happend a couple of times after that time too. It takes a lot of excitment out of the game. for example look at the qualifying session at the hungaroring in hungary. Theo Nieuwstraten
I may be wrong but i think you cant finish a lap in real F1 when time has run out. I heard comments about Hill doing his best just xx seconds before the end of the Q session in Hungary etc... Is there a place on the web where we could have the rules for F1 races? (Qualif etc) thanks! Daniel
Quoted text (11 lines)>There is a big error in the qualifying session. >I was making to the best lap on monza so far >I was .200 s under schummi's time. I get the signal qualifying over, >dreaming about my first pole (because you can finish that lap in >f1!!!!), my screen turned black and was thrown back to the race menu. >This is not only time. It happend a couple of times after that time >too. It takes a lot of excitment out of the game. >for example look at the qualifying session at the hungaroring in >hungary. >Theo Nieuwstraten
Quoted text (11 lines)>I may be wrong but i think you cant finish a lap in real F1 when time >has run out. I heard comments about Hill doing his best just xx >seconds before the end of the Q session in Hungary etc... >>There is a big error in the qualifying session. >>I was making to the best lap on monza so far >>I was .200 s under schummi's time. I get the signal qualifying over, >>dreaming about my first pole (because you can finish that lap in >>f1!!!!), my screen turned black and was thrown back to the race menu. >>This is not only time. It happend a couple of times after that time >>too. It takes a lot of excitment out of the game. >>for example look at the qualifying session at the hungaroring in
I've had the same thing as well. I wondered too if I was crazy or GP2. As far as I know, in real F1 you are allowed to complete your lap if you crossed the finishline before the end of the qualifying session. So you can call this a bug. F1GP 1 did has the same bug. Actually some small annoying things from F1GP 1 are still in the GP2. Hmm, I can't think of any right now... Cheers, Patrick +--------------- +--------------------------------- | aminet: /pub/game/board/pesten.lha +-------------------------------------------- | ftp.funet.fi:/pub/msdos/games/card/pesten.zip +----------------------------------------------
mhat.. 14 Aug 1996#333483
>crossed the finishline before the end of the qualifying session. So you >can call this a bug. F1GP 1 did has the same bug. Actually some small >annoying things from F1GP 1 are still in the GP2. Hmm, I can't think of >any right now... I agree that is a frustrating feature of GP2 and the orginal. However, thats all it is .... a feature. As in "functions as designed". A bug would be a piece of code that produced an unanticipated result. This feature was the intention of the designer(s). I hate to be nit picky here, but I don't want people to get confused between bugs and program design. If you want a good example of bugs...just look at any first release of the Papyrus sims. ;-) Before you blast me for being so anal, I too wish microprose would release a patch that changed this "feature". Mike
Its a design flaw. But isn't it worse than just the final qualifying lap? Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but in F1 when you are restricted to 12 laps in qualifying, doesn't that mean 12 *flying* laps? In GP2 if I exit the pits, go round once and come in again, I lose one of my laps. If I'm in the pits with 2 laps left, they are useless to me because I can't get a flying lap in. John
2 I.T. Nort 15 Aug 1996#333659
Sorry, that's actually the way it works.. for one flying lap you expend 3 laps in total. Out lap, fast lap, in lap. That's why they only do 3 or 4 runs at most in a qualifying session. -- 2 I.T. North
Okey-dokey. ;-) Nope. In F1, laps leaving the pits and entering the pits count as one of the twelve laps. Well, then, make sure you don't leave yourself in that situation anymore. :-) In qualifying, I go either 4 laps-4 laps-4 laps (if tires don't wear out too fast after the first flyer) or 3-3-3-3 (if tires do wear out so much that the second flying lap cannot improve over the first one). Of course, if I try to go for two flying laps on a set of tires and mess up during the second flying lap, I'll dive into the pits right away to save a lap (so my qualifying session will go 4-3-5 or something like that). -- +-----------------+------------------------------------------- | G. Warren Abao | http://users.southeast.net/~wabao/ifl | +----------------------------------------+----------------- | SPOOOOOOOOOOON!!! | BBL Jacksonville 3-1 | IFL Chicago 11-7 | +------------------+-----------------------+-----------------
TOBY BRANFO 15 Aug 1996#333661
JP> But isn't it worse than just the final qualifying lap? Somebody JP> correct me if I'm wrong but in F1 when you are restricted to 12 laps JP> in qualifying, doesn't that mean 12 *flying* laps? In GP2 if I exit JP> the pits, go round once and come in again, I lose one of my laps. JP> If I'm in the pits with 2 laps left, they are useless to me because JP> I can't get a flying lap in. Sorry, that's not wrong, that's the way it is. That's why mostly they come out three times (warm-up, two flying, in lap x 3 = 12) or four times (warm-up, one flying, in lap x 4 = 12) only. And why aborting a flying lap early that's been spoilt by your mistakes, traffic, etc by diving into the pits and not crossing the line saves you a lap since you don't then troll around again. Cheers! --- * RM 1.3 U0414 * "Is this ***?" asked Tom, half in Ernest.
Craig March 15 Aug 1996#333662
>But isn't it worse than just the final qualifying lap? Somebody correct me >if I'm wrong but in F1 when you are restricted to 12 laps in qualifying, >doesn't that mean 12 *flying* laps? In GP2 if I exit the pits, go round >once and come in again, I lose one of my laps. If I'm in the pits with 2 >laps left, they are useless to me because I can't get a flying lap in. No, I believe in F1 the warmup lap and cool-down lap are counted as part of your 12 laps. But what we all know is correct, that any lap started before the time expires counts as a timed lap. Craig Marcho
Consider yourself corrected ;) . In F1 you get 12 laps PERIOD. In essence 4 flying laps if you only do 1 per set of tires: 1 out lap, flying hot lap and an in lap. Tough Stuff. Jeff
Quoted text (14 lines)> > I agree that is a frustrating feature of GP2 and the orginal. However, > > thats all it is .... a feature. As in "functions as designed". A bug > > would be a piece of code that produced an unanticipated result. This > > feature was the intention of the designer(s). > Its a design flaw. > But isn't it worse than just the final qualifying lap? Somebody correct me > if I'm wrong but in F1 when you are restricted to 12 laps in qualifying, > doesn't that mean 12 *flying* laps? In GP2 if I exit the pits, go round > once and come in again, I lose one of my laps. If I'm in the pits with 2 > laps left, they are useless to me because I can't get a flying lap in. > John
Hi John, Unfortunately twelve laps means ALL laps including warming up and cooling down...... Good luck, Manny
Quoted text (17 lines)>> > I agree that is a frustrating feature of GP2 and the orginal. However, >> > thats all it is .... a feature. As in "functions as designed". A bug >> > would be a piece of code that produced an unanticipated result. This >> > feature was the intention of the designer(s). >> Its a design flaw. >> But isn't it worse than just the final qualifying lap? Somebody correct me >> if I'm wrong but in F1 when you are restricted to 12 laps in qualifying, >> doesn't that mean 12 *flying* laps? In GP2 if I exit the pits, go round >> once and come in again, I lose one of my laps. If I'm in the pits with 2 >> laps left, they are useless to me because I can't get a flying lap in. >> John >Hi John, >Unfortunately twelve laps means ALL laps including warming up and cooling
down...... >Good luck, >Manny That's the way it goes in real F1 too. On Hungaroring they could do 4 flying laps, but they needed twelve laps to do that. _____________________________________________________________________ _______ _ _ / \ \ / | \ / Twente University | ___ \ / The Netherlands | | \ / \ / \ ________/ertjan \_/ \_/esteneng _____________________________________________________________________

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