Stop Whining about GP2

I think the sim's drivability is excellent ... very accurate! All this critisism is obviously by those that have not raced real cars and/or written any code. I have done both ( not at the same time ) and the accomplishment is not lost on me. Imagine spending that kind of effort to create something great, only to be nit-picked to death about features that are missing. The time was obviously spent making sure that the sim accurately represented driving an F1 car with thousands of variables involved. I think it was time well spent! GT Management Systems PO Box 222, Sackville, NS. Canada B4E 2S9

>I think the sim's drivability is excellent ... very accurate! All this >critisism is obviously by those that have not raced real cars and/or >written any code. > I have done both ( not at the same time ) and the accomplishment is >not lost on me. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Well why not??? ------------- Richard Sobey Are you browning your browns?

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>I think the sim's drivability is excellent ... very accurate! All this >critisism is obviously by those that have not raced real cars and/or >written any code. > I have done both ( not at the same time ) and the accomplishment is >not lost on me. >Imagine spending that kind of effort to create something great, only >to be nit-picked to death about features that are missing. > The time was obviously spent making sure that the sim accurately >represented driving an F1 car with thousands of variables involved. >I think it was time well spent! >GT Management Systems >PO Box 222, Sackville, NS. >Canada B4E 2S9

Allright Glenn!! My thoughts EXACTLY! I've been following this group for a long time waiting for GP2 to arrive, and I really was amazed at all the ***in' about how long it was taking to get completed. The sim is great, the gripes are lousy! Get with it people this is a tremendous accomplishment! Tahnks for your time ====================================================== I tell ya, it's mind over matter! If I don't mind it doesn't matter!!! Pat Kairns Longueuil, Quebec CANADA ======================================================

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>Allright Glenn!! > My thoughts EXACTLY! I've been following this group for a long >time waiting for GP2 to arrive, and I really was amazed at all the >***in' about how long it was taking to get completed. The sim is >great, the gripes are lousy! Get with it people this is a tremendous >accomplishment!

Don't get me wrong, GP2 is a _great_ game. Unfortunately it is really a great 1994/5 game. In many ways (physics model, sheer enjoyment) it is a couple of generations ahead of the competition, but it makes no use of current video technology and inherits far too much from F1GP1. I'm still spending several hours a day trying to master it, but I can't help thinking that the long delays in getting it released have meant that it has slightly missed the boat. I fully expect NASCAR 2 to be better in the graphics front whilst GP2 _should_ have had a lead on the competition of at least a couple of years, just like Revs and F1GP1 had. The one really good thing about the delay is that it does set the standard for bug free games. One or two real bugs have been mentioned (results & replays showing different things) but I haven't seen them yet. Everything else is as designed, although we might not necessarily agree with the design decisions <g>. Makes a refreshing change to most of the current crop of games. Richard

Well, if you don't want to complain about GP2 then why don't you stop your ***in about those that find it less than adequate in many areas <g>. Seriously though, there are problems with the score keeping. I haven't nailed it down yet, but from my experience and other's posts it seems that when one finishes more than a lap down the finishing place is incorrect. Today, my position was showing as fifth for the last few laps of a 50% race. The final results showed me at 14th place. The cars that were ahead and behind me showed as 4th and 5th. A major bug like this deserves some complaining! Also, for a sim that portends to be realistic, if someone turns their frame rate up to 30 fps and gets 300% PO, you cannot realisticly compare lap times to someone running at 100% PO (which is real-time). The reaction times required are completely different for the two cases. Leaving aside cosmetic details, I think that at least exactness in scoring should be paramount in any "realistic sim". I should add however, that even if my finishing place didn't show up correctly, I still enjoyed the race. Dave.

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>>I think the sim's drivability is excellent ... very accurate! All this >>critisism is obviously by those that have not raced real cars and/or >>written any code. >> I have done both ( not at the same time ) and the accomplishment is >>not lost on me. >>Imagine spending that kind of effort to create something great, only >>to be nit-picked to death about features that are missing. >> The time was obviously spent making sure that the sim accurately >>represented driving an F1 car with thousands of variables involved. >>I think it was time well spent! >>GT Management Systems >>PO Box 222, Sackville, NS. >>Canada B4E 2S9 >Allright Glenn!! > My thoughts EXACTLY! I've been following this group for a long >time waiting for GP2 to arrive, and I really was amazed at all the >***in' about how long it was taking to get completed. The sim is >great, the gripes are lousy! Get with it people this is a tremendous >accomplishment! >Tahnks for your time >====================================================== >I tell ya, it's mind over matter! If I don't mind >it doesn't matter!!! >Pat Kairns >Longueuil, Quebec >CANADA >======================================================

[snip] As I have mentioned before, the game is not bug-free. I have crashed it 5 or 6 times. Driving in a race, touched wheels with another car, got one side of the car up around 45 degrees and....it locks up. Tight. The sound card emits a pulsing squeal and it is big time locked. Power switch locked. I like the game a lot, more and more as I play it, but this is definitely a bigger problem than any of the ICR2 stuff. Has anyone else encountered this problem?

Well, I do have a friend who suffers from occasional crashes. In his case, I believe (haven't seen it myself) that it dumps him back to DOS with a DOS4GW error message. Since he found it to be slightly worse when he had his P90 overclocked to a P100, I can't help thinking that it might be due to some sort of timing / memory error. But there again, none of his other programs or Windows has any problem at either 90 or 100MHz, so it could well be something else. Richard

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> >As I have mentioned before, the game is not bug-free. I have crashed it 5 > >or 6 times. Driving in a race, touched wheels with another car, got one > >side of the car up around 45 degrees and....it locks up. Tight. The > >sound card emits a pulsing squeal and it is big time locked. Power > >switch locked. > >I like the game a lot, more and more as I play it, but this is definitely > >a bigger problem than any of the ICR2 stuff. > >Has anyone else encountered this problem? > Well, I do have a friend who suffers from occasional crashes. In his > case, I believe (haven't seen it myself) that it dumps him back to DOS > with a DOS4GW error message. Since he found it to be slightly worse > when he had his P90 overclocked to a P100, I can't help thinking that > it might be due to some sort of timing / memory error. But there > again, none of his other programs or Windows has any problem at either > 90 or 100MHz, so it could well be something else. > Richard

I've also had similar problems on my machine, its so bad I ususlly only get about 3-5 minutes racing before crashing. Sometimes an error is printed: DOS4GW Unexpected Switch to Real Mode, (or protected mode, I forget which at the moment). In the CONFIG.SYS/AUTOEXEC.BAT I only load the CDROM drivers and nothing else at all, no FILES=.., STACKS=.. etc. I experimented with various setups and programs, e.g. smartdrv etc. with no joy. A friend has similar problems, but not always with an error printed. Both machines only have 8Meg RAM, one a P75, the other a P100. This leads to the interesting point that although the box says 8Meg is sufficient, the install program requires 8Meg on top of the Base memory. Any ideas, anyone made gp2 run reliably on an 8meg dos box Iain

: This leads to the interesting point that although the box says 8Meg is : sufficient, the install program requires 8Meg on top of the Base memory. : Any ideas, anyone made gp2 run reliably on an 8meg dos box Yeah, like I said somewhere else I've got a P75 (now overclocked to P90) with 8M and it works no problem. I've got win95 installed but either drop out of win95 boot and process the setup files manually (just a frig for the moment) or reboot from win95 using the DOS mode options with appropriate lines in the config and autoexec files for mounting the CD. Like I say, no problems, nice fast (VGA) game. Rich.