NASCAR: realism and "Days of Thunder"

> Just watched 'Days of Thunder' for the first time. My, but we have a ... ===== You're kidding.

Just watched 'Days of Thunder' for the first time. My, but we have a long way to go to achieve anything NEAR track realism! I once, somehow and I haven't been able to repeat it, had my game configured so that when I hit the brakes or down shifted, the nose of the car would drop and then come up when I accelerated, just like you could see the cars in this film do. Apart from that, it looks like we should have a LOT more smoke and dust on the track whenever there's contact. Anyway, great flick (esp. Robert Duvall). If, like me, you were apparently under a rock when this came out, check it out from your local flick store. Bob Landry "So long....and thanks for all the fish!" PS: If anyone can tell me how to configure a T2 setup to achieve the chassis movement I once had, I'd REALLY be grateful!!!!

[snip] : I once, somehow and I haven't been able to repeat it, had my game : configured so that when I hit the brakes or down shifted, the nose of the : car would drop and then come up when I accelerated, just like you could see : the cars in this film do. Apart from that, it looks like we should have a : LOT more smoke and dust on the track whenever there's contact. [snip] Well it was a movie and so alot of the smoke & sparks were PURE FICTIONAL FX. In NASCAR by Papyrus, my car's nose dips if just get out of the throttle... Speaking of Days of Thunder.... Did anybody out there try the "turkey" of a "sim/game" with the same name? It made Bill Elliott's NASCAR Challenge look like an IMAX movie. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

>"Days of Thunder" -- Nascar realism??? talk about an oxymoron. >-- Yeah, heh, I always *loved* that bit where Randy (is it?) says Something like "I'm gonna put this rookie into the wall") over his radio. Yeah right, and about 2 seconds after the crash he'd of seen his Nascar ticket blowing across the track in little pieces. :) Ron R II *********************************************** ** Keep the shiny side up & the hammer down ** *** Ron "Cougar" Riekens II *** **** Owner - Driver **** **** Medallion Motorsports/*** Photography **** *** NASS ARCA Series #96 Pontiac *** ***********************************************

> Just watched 'Days of Thunder' for the first time. My, but we have a long > way to go to achieve anything NEAR track realism! > I once, somehow and I haven't been able to repeat it, had my game > configured so that when I hit the brakes or down shifted, the nose of the > car would drop and then come up when I accelerated, just like you could see Umm...my NASCAR Racing does that. What version are you using? Fray

Yep..Unfortunately I waisted money on both of these games. Can you tell I'm a racing sim fan?? Thanks Papyrus, for saving me money. Mike

This was absolutely the worst movie that was ever made! The only realistic part of the movie was the fact that a couple of the cars were actual race cars! Other than that the WHOLE movie was someone's imagination!

(Kyle Langston) writes: > The thing that got me about Days of Thunder was Cole Trickle, Cruise's >character, drove in two or three races before it became known that he >knew nothing about setup, what tight or loose was, etc. Sure made >NASCAR Racing out to be an amateur free-for-all. >Kyle Langston "Tight" and "loose" are just terms. If he said "The backend is coming around", his crew would know what to do. If he said "it wont turn", you'd know it was tight. I'd be willing to be that there have been more than a few guys who didn't know the "terms" before working with someone who taught them. Mike

> The thing that got me about Days of Thunder was Cole Trickle, Cruise's > character, drove in two or three races before it became known that he > knew nothing about setup, what tight or loose was, etc. Sure made > NASCAR Racing out to be an amateur free-for-all. > Kyle Langston again.. i guess he hit the breaks and let cole catch up right:)

The thing that got me about Days of Thunder was Cole Trickle, Cruise's character, drove in two or three races before it became known that he knew nothing about setup, what tight or loose was, etc. Sure made NASCAR Racing out to be an amateur free-for-all. Kyle Langston

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>(Kyle Langston) writes: >> The thing that got me about Days of Thunder was Cole Trickle, >Cruise's >>character, drove in two or three races before it became known that he >>knew nothing about setup, what tight or loose was, etc. Sure made >>NASCAR Racing out to be an amateur free-for-all. >>Kyle Langston >"Tight" and "loose" are just terms. If he said "The backend is coming >around", his crew would know what to do. If he said "it wont turn", >you'd know it was tight. >I'd be willing to be that there have been more than a few guys who >didn't know the "terms" before working with someone who taught them. >Mike

What I was talking about was the scene showing Cole's third race or so. Cole's complaining that the car won't drive, and Robert Duvall's character has to explain to him what tight, or understeer, and loose, or oversteer, is, and that the pit crew can do things to change that, which Cole also didn't know was possible. I mean, we're talking the top series in the country! This isn't where the drivers just learn the basics of stock car racing. That's what BGN is for! :) Kyle Langston

>This was absolutely the worst movie that was ever made! The only realistic >part of the movie was the fact that a couple of the cars were actual race >cars! Other than that the WHOLE movie was someone's imagination! Isn't that what ALL movies are? Actually alot of the Nascar Folklore was found in that movie just not all that stuff happened to one guy in one season. Gene

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>Just watched 'Days of Thunder' for the first time. My, but we have a long >way to go to achieve anything NEAR track realism! > I once, somehow and I haven't been able to repeat it, had my game >configured so that when I hit the brakes or down shifted, the nose of the >car would drop and then come up when I accelerated, just like you could see >the cars in this film do. Apart from that, it looks like we should have a >LOT more smoke and dust on the track whenever there's contact. >Anyway, great flick (esp. Robert Duvall). If, like me, you were apparently >under a rock when this came out, check it out from your local flick store.

Just wanted to let you know that "Days of Thunder" is NOT real NASCAR racing. You can't run people into the wall like that and get away with it. Not only would you get the black flag or get DQed, the person in the wall would probably stay there. Just one example why "Days of Thunder" isn't realistic. The actors think that a stock car can easily do 250 or 260 mph. Yeah right. Tim http://members.gnn.com/TOlson6275/main.htm

Days of Thunder, is not all that unrealistic (for its time yes), but back in the old days when Richard Petty WAS the King that's how racing gained it's popularity. That's how I think they wanted to depict Days of Thunder. Check out Inside Sports August issue toward the back of the mag. So long, John Flowers II

>Just wanted to let you know that "Days of Thunder" is NOT real >NASCAR racing. You can't run people into the wall like that and >get away with it. Not only would you get the black flag or get >DQed, the person in the wall would probably stay there. Just one >example why "Days of Thunder" isn't realistic. The actors think >that a stock car can easily do 250 or 260 mph. Yeah right. I got a laugh out of that movie. Cruise' character (Trickle? Any relation to*** Trickle?) is second at Darlington and caution comes out with 3 laps to go. The entire field decides to come in for fresh tires for a one lap shootout. I don't think so. Also, how many times did he spin, avoid hitting anything or being hit, and then a lap or two later, he's back breathing down the neck of the leader. Should've flat-spotted the tires, but no, he's running laps faster than anybody including the leader, and blowing by cars 4 and 5 at a time. The NASCAR teams must've gotten a big laugh out of this one. I sure did. Dave "davids" Sparks Late Nite League http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html

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>I got a laugh out of that movie. Cruise' character (Trickle? Any relation >to*** Trickle?) is second at Darlington and caution comes out with 3 laps >to go. The entire field decides to come in for fresh tires for a one lap >shootout. I don't think so. >Also, how many times did he spin, avoid hitting anything or being hit, and >then a lap or two later, he's back breathing down the neck of the leader. >Should've flat-spotted the tires, but no, he's running laps faster than >anybody including the leader, and blowing by cars 4 and 5 at a time.

<snip> Any of us that travel in our work know that, at least the rental car scene was pretty realistic :o) Mike Radler

>Just wanted to let you know that "Days of Thunder" is NOT real >NASCAR racing. You can't run people into the wall like that and >get away with it. Oh yeah....does the name Dale Earnhardt ring any bells? :) _______________________________________ Tim Wortman NASS '96 Series Director Visit the NASS '96 home page http://www.webcom.com/twortman/nasscar/ _______________________________________

reguard to reality... Funny thing is the driver is loosely (and I mean *loosely*) based on Tim Richmond. It's a character thing. I loved that one too. Any crew chief worth spit would have told him with less than 10 to go 'stay out there and hold 'em off!!!' There was a time way back before anyone watched NASCAR on TV when drivers could take a spin and get back in the race. Of course not just any driver could do it, it took a big money name/team. I bet quite a few folks did. What I've been told is all that stuff is loosely (there I am using that word again) based on events that have happened to real teams at various points in history. BTW, the crew chief was supposedly based on the life and character of Harry Hyde. With a few artisitic touches, of course. Mike -- ___^___ Speed Bump Motorsports... The name says it all. NRL95 #110 Hershey's Kisses Chevrolet Monte Carlo PRO95 #53 Hershey's Kisses Penske PC23/Ilmor D SIMCAR96 #45 Hershey's Kisses Pontiac Grand Prix PRO96 #2 Hershey's Kisses Reynard/Ford/Firestone - Pucker Factor Motorsports IVGA #2027 (membership, not the car!)

{edited for brevity} I was thinking that when I watched the movie. Cruise' character roaring up on that bike to tryout at C***te and his***y attitude and hip clothes. His crew chief's name was Harry Hogg or something like that, right? Just a little too similar to Harry Hyde to be coincidence I think. Cruise co-wrote the screenplay if I remember correctly and is a bit of a race fan himself. I think he also did some of the driving. Too bad they sacrificed reality for spectacle, but that seems to be the way most movies are made these days. Dave "davids" Sparks Late Nite League http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html

Dave, C'mon...This is Hollywood. Mike

Incidentally, Days of Thunder is on network TV tonight (Tuesday) at 8PM on none other than CBS. As if anyone cares....

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>>Just wanted to let you know that "Days of Thunder" is NOT real >>NASCAR racing. You can't run people into the wall like that and >>get away with it. >Oh yeah....does the name Dale Earnhardt ring any bells? :) > _______________________________________ > Tim Wortman > NASS '96 Series Director > Visit the NASS '96 home page > http://www.webcom.com/twortman/nasscar/ > _______________________________________

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>Incidentally, Days of Thunder is on network TV tonight (Tuesday) at >8PM on none other than CBS. As if anyone cares.... I like the part in the movie where Rusty Wallace?? says "If I see him, I'll slam him into to wall!", (or something close to that!)

No Rusty said he liked Cole. That was some goofy actor who said he stuff Cole in the wall. -- The wise man can pick up a grain of sand and envision a whole universe, but the stupid man will just lay down on some seaweed and roll around until he's completely draped in it. Then he'll stand up and go, "Hey, I'm Vine Man." Jack Handey.